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Re: Have a question about tank size and health.
« Reply #210 on: October 09, 2011, 04:06:49 AM »

I'm sorry to hear things have taken a step backward GoldFishNoob.

The tank won't leak and I'm sure even if something did happen to it, you'd notice the cracks.
My Dad has a 125 litre tank that his lending me and he had it set up at home for over 10 years with no problems, what so ever.
Usaully if something happens to a tank, theres a reason, it won't just suddenly leak water everywhere Smiley
Why not take your Dad to the aquarium shop/pet store and they could explain it all to him? I'm sure they must come with some sort of guarantee, that you could get a replacement if something happened.

Or as Summertime suggested, have the little guys stay at your friends for a while Smiley

Do what you feel is best for you and the fish, you've been doing a great job so far, so just keep swimming and I wish you the best x
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Re: Have a question about tank size and health.
« Reply #211 on: October 09, 2011, 04:48:24 PM »

It would take some sledge hammer or something to get through a strong tank. Smiley
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Re: Have a question about tank size and health.
« Reply #212 on: October 09, 2011, 11:28:04 PM »

If a tank were to spontaneously combust I'd be more worried about the fish than the carpet.
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Re: Have a question about tank size and health.
« Reply #213 on: October 10, 2011, 03:58:07 AM »

That's a very good point Summertime! Karma to that.
Man, I'm getting chills just thinking about that...
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Re: Have a question about tank size and health.
« Reply #214 on: October 10, 2011, 05:06:11 AM »

Yeah it would most likely be the filter conbusting and then the glass cracks and leaks.
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Re: Have a question about tank size and health.
« Reply #215 on: October 10, 2011, 09:45:16 AM »

There are some apartments that have a "no tank" policy or a maximum gallon limit... but the fear of a new tank just busting is irrational. I have 150 gallon tank next to my sofa and I have no fear of it busting.

The aquarium hobby has been around for many, many years, and there have been lots of advances in silicone glue technology. The stuff is strong. Take it from someone that has experience disassembling tanks, the stuff is very strong.

A bit of info on tanks, how the are built and the pressure that they contain.
Tanks are assembled using either standard glass or tempered glass. Tempered is usually used just for the bottom pane and only when a tank exceeds a certain height.
The taller the tank, the greater the overall pressure that it has to contain. The greatest pressures are at the bottom of the tank due to the weight of the water on top pushing down. Therefore the bottom has to be strongest point, and it is, simply due to the way that they are built. The bottom edges are glued all the way around to the bottom pane, it has to be, but the fact that it is glued all the way around makes it very strong.
40 gallon breeder do not usually have tempered bottoms, and it is for the same reason that the tanks are called "breeder tanks". They are shallow. And therefore do not have the extra pressure of a deep tank. They are only 17" tall. My 150 is 29 1/2", it has a lot more pressure on it, and I don't even worry about it busting.

Some info on Petco tanks: Petco's glass tanks are manufactured by Aqueon. Central Garden & Pet (CGP) owns Aqueon, as well as Oceanic (long revered as the highest standard in aquariums). They have been building tanks since before you were born.

The 40 gallon breeder comes with a 5 year warranty to guaranty against leaks or busting. This link will show the measurements and warranty info for all Aqueon tanks (as well as dry/wet weight).
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On another note, sounds like it is getting close to the time for you to start thinking of abandoning the nest. I moved out when I was 21 and never looked back.
But you have to find a job first and that isn't easy in Cali. The economy sucks out there. Sad
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Re: Have a question about tank size and health.
« Reply #216 on: October 11, 2011, 07:09:00 AM »

Great post Dragonii! Smiley I just learned something Wink *karma to that*

Now, you're definitely right about the moving out bit.
Not to mention that at least I get the feeling that you, Goldfishnoob, are getting the same kind of limitations and respect as a child does. It's like your parents don't trust your judgment and just want you to follow whatever opinions they have.
I moved out when I was 15, I simply had to to go study what I was interested in, but I have no problems whatsoever at home, I love my parents and neither of them mind me spending 90% of my money on my fish Wink I go home whenever I can/feel like it, and that works just fine for me! I've basically lived away from home for 4 years now, 2 of them together with my fiance.
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Re: Have a question about tank size and health.
« Reply #217 on: October 11, 2011, 11:35:26 PM »

It is hard to find a job our here trust me I've been looking and it makes it even harder when your transportation is limited and even if I did, it's going to be hard to make it on my own as well unless I have a room mate...

I know you guys understand where I'm coming from and how tough it can be. I never meant to frustrate or annoy or anger anyone and if I did I'm very sorry. It's just frustrating and I have anxiety/emotional issues so when I get upset about something I tend to overeact and say things I don't mean or don't think about. Sad I'm sorry. And you're right, sometimes I feel like they don't listen and they treat me like a child. Which does'nt help my frustration any.

I really want to just say heck with it and get the tank. I know it would do alot of good....Larry, my biggest goldy is riddled with ammonia burns and know it's from a small tank...but isn't it strange for one fish to have them and the others don't? I'm going to see about getting him some MelaFix and see if it helps. He's swimming around and acting fine, eating still, though his appetite does seem to be slightly lacking.

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Re: Have a question about tank size and health.
« Reply #218 on: October 12, 2011, 02:29:40 AM »

It's not strange at all that just one of the fish are showing signs of discomfort, it just means that he's already had his fair share of attacks on the immune system. Some fish are more sensitive than others, just like us humans.

He's already healing the burns if you see black spots on his skin and fins, so melafix might be a good aid with that process.
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Re: Have a question about tank size and health.
« Reply #219 on: October 12, 2011, 02:29:59 AM »

Here's a video of Larry, he's the big orange common goldy. He would'nt hold still for a picture or the video ( They still get very excited when they see me. XD ) so this is the best I can do. You can see some little dark spots on the tips of his tail, but this video does'nt show the full extent of his condition, he's got the spots all over his fins, and two on his side. He looks rough but he's acting normal. I did a water change today and cleaned as much as the gravel as I could, but I'm still planning on getting a gravel vacuum to help.

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Re: Have a question about tank size and health.
« Reply #220 on: October 12, 2011, 03:07:58 AM »

It's good to see you back GoldFishNoob!

I can understand how you feel, I moved away from home when I was 18 for 2 years, moved back home for the last year during my studies and I found it so frustrating! I just couldn't live there anymore so I moved away again!
Maybe you could share somewhere with some friends?
I share a house with my partner and 2 friends, so financially its fine, as it's split between the four of us Smiley

I'm sure Larry will be okay, like Nossie said, his already healing up his wounds if the spots are black.
Just keep an eye on the others and just keep swimming Cheesy
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Re: Have a question about tank size and health.
« Reply #221 on: October 12, 2011, 03:20:31 AM »

Ah, Nossie must have added that last bit about them healing cause I missed it. I read some where that the spots area good thing. They're kinda blackish brown in color. So when I get the MelaFix should I seperate Larry from the others and treat him or is it safe to just added it with the other fish too? I might also get some Stress Coat if I can too. I'm hearing nothing but excellent things about it and if you buy a 16 oz you get a free aquarium salt. Cheesy Dunno if that's an in store deal or just an internet deal though...

If I can get a job me and my friend always planned to get a place together, but I have to get a job first. >.<; She already has one.
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Re: Have a question about tank size and health.
« Reply #222 on: October 12, 2011, 03:49:35 AM »

No, don't separate the fish, melafix isn't even a real medication and will do nothing when an infection is involved. In this case your fish aren't actually sick, but they could use the extra help to recover. Melafix won't do anything but basically strengthen the fish and help them heal minor wounds or torn fins, so don't use that in case you see one of your fish having a bad case of fin rot! (It hasn't been properly tested even and some aquarists have had the melafix work in the favor of the infection, killing their fish.)
And I will repeat, just to make sure you didn't misunderstand: Your fish don't have an infection right now, so using melafix will probably just be a good idea.

Did you try looking for some less glamorous jobs? Like in a shop, or as a cleaner? (Even McDonalds) Really, anything will do, especially if you have no vocational education for the time being.
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Re: Have a question about tank size and health.
« Reply #223 on: October 12, 2011, 04:06:33 AM »

Ah, so the MelaFix'll just help Larry and not really do a whole lot for Bob and Curly cause there's really nothing wrong with them at the moment. So I don't need to seperate him. Got it.

The Ice Cream Co. just reopened after closing a few months ago. I'm gonna go check that out some time, maybe they'll be hiring soon. I tried to go for house cleaning with Merry Maids but they require you to have a drivers license. :/
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Re: Have a question about tank size and health.
« Reply #224 on: October 12, 2011, 09:05:36 AM »

Hi GoldfishNoob, I've been reading this thread and the troubles you are having and I do feel for you and hope you can get your situation resolved soon.  I don't live with my parents but I understand how frustrating it can be to be unemployed and unable to move out.  I live in a one bedroom apartment wtih my boyfriend and I have a 10gallon tank and 2 young orandas.  It has been so frustrating trying to keep them healthy, I blame the petstore for selling me such a small tank with no warning, I've lost a number of fish because I simply didnt know...if I had known I would've bought the 30 gallon tank from the start.  It is NOT impossible to keep them healthy for a little while in the 10 gallon but it just takes a lot of work.  I do water changes every other day and add water conditioner, i feed a variety of foods.  I also vacuum the gravel a few times a week.  I cant afford a larger tank yet, if I get one I want to get something nice with a stand which is going to cost me at least $200-$300 for a new one, def not in my budget at this point.   Sad

I'm also worried about the weight of my tank in my apt...if I get a 30 gallon how much will that weigh?  I haven't read/heard anything about my complex not allowing tanks but I dont want to risk it.  Will a 30 gallon be too heavy? I live on the 3rd floor and the apartments are built well...I'm just nervous about it I guess.  Any advice appreciated.
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Re: Have a question about tank size and health.
« Reply #225 on: October 12, 2011, 11:52:46 AM »

Ireiden: Water weighs one kg per liter, and a 30 gallon is ~114 liters, meaning that it'll weigh about 114kg with just water, then adding the gravel, pebbles and ornaments it should be roughly 120-130kg which is about 264-286 pounds.
Think about all the furniture etc you already have, the floor will take the weight as long as it's not a 70's wood floor Wink
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Re: Have a question about tank size and health.
« Reply #226 on: October 12, 2011, 02:48:08 PM »

Melafix is nothing more than Tea tree oil. All it does is help to prevent bacteria from growing in an open wound, in turn allowing the wound to heal.  Kind of like Neosporin does for people.

Melafix came into creation because some old school hobbyist that have been around the block would actually use tea tree oil for this reason. Aquarium Pharmaceuticals got the idea to bottle it, label it and throw it on the shelves in pet stores.
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Re: Have a question about tank size and health.
« Reply #227 on: October 12, 2011, 03:16:55 PM »

It makes me sad when I see my fish and the progress they're making in behaviore, size and health and then think of all those fish at the fair who probably went home with uninformed people who put them in bowls. Most are probably dead by now...so even though my situation is'nt ideal, it's far from the life they might have had and at least that gives me some comfort and encouragement.

While cleaning the tank just now I noticed the spots on Larry's side have dissapeared. Cheesy He still has some on his fins though, but he's looking better. On a funny note, I have this big glass mug I use to scoop water out of the tank during water changes and I dump it in a small bin. Well apparently I was'nt watching what I was doing and I look down into the waste water bin and Bob, my smallest goldy was in the waste water bin. XD I was like O.O "Oh noes!" and scooped him out in a small plastic cup and put him back in the tank.
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Re: Have a question about tank size and health.
« Reply #228 on: October 12, 2011, 03:25:06 PM »

I know how you feel GoldFishNoob!

My two goldfish were rescued from a fair (one of the children had left them in the place where I work) and the majority of goldfish were won by children, I even heard a horrible story from one of them sometime after, that a sibling had thrown their goldfish into the sink Cry

You are doing the best you can for them, don't forget that, not everyone would go to the effort you have to learn and look after the little guys properly Smiley
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Re: Have a question about tank size and health.
« Reply #229 on: October 12, 2011, 03:30:28 PM »

Thing is, there's not really a difference in the situations other than you asked for help, got it, and cared to work to make it better for the fish Smiley
You started off with a 3 gallon tank, right? Then you bought a filter for them and all to keep them as healthy as you can.

There are people on this forum all the time that go "I got a fish from a fair, he doesn't swim anymore, what do I do?" and then never even check the replies.
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Re: Have a question about tank size and health.
« Reply #230 on: October 12, 2011, 03:45:01 PM »

I've noticed that when people post comments/questions. :/ It's like as soon as they hear "50 gal tank" "Filter" and this and that they dissapear and never answer back. Like "Oh that's too much money and hassle for a fish, I'll just flush it and get another for 12 cents, no big deal." I mean, I freaked out when I heard all this too, but I could'nt just ignore it and let the fish die.
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Re: Have a question about tank size and health.
« Reply #231 on: October 12, 2011, 04:47:48 PM »

Yep... and this is the reason why those **** fairs shouldn't be allowed to give away any sort of living animal as a price.




Any animal that you take into your life is going to be costly. You have to be prepared to deal with it and provide for it. Our dog was given to us for free, but over the past year of having him he has cost us a small fortune. Vet visits, shots, food, treats, collars, leashes and so on. It all adds up. He has cost about $1000 in food alone since we got him, and more than that in vet bills.
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Re: Have a question about tank size and health.
« Reply #232 on: October 13, 2011, 04:47:24 AM »

But despite all the money, they are totally worth it Grin

I agree Dragonii, they wouldn't be allowed to give kittens/puppies/hamsters away at fairs, so why should Goldfish be any different, they need just as much love and attention as any other animal! It drives me bonkers, that the only law here, is that a goldfish cannot be given to a child unless they have a parent with them!
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Re: Have a question about tank size and health.
« Reply #233 on: October 13, 2011, 05:00:17 AM »

Well, all you can do is avoid supporting the fair prizes in any way, don't bring your kids there and try to "educate" the people you know on the topic so they will avoid doing that mistake as well.

I have never even seen a goldfish being given away at a fair in this country, and I hope that would sort of... spread everywhere else too.
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Re: Have a question about tank size and health.
« Reply #234 on: October 13, 2011, 05:10:21 AM »

Yeah I'd agree Nossie, but most people think I'm a bit bonkers when I start talking about Goldfish, how they need a big tank/big filter and how a varied diet with vegetables is good for them!

I remember one fair when I was little and they were giving away carrot goldfish Cheesy Now that is something I can support!
My dad won me one Smiley It was so cool, this little carrot carved into the shape of a goldfish with black bits for eyes!
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Re: Have a question about tank size and health.
« Reply #235 on: October 13, 2011, 01:06:36 PM »

It happened to me a couple of times actually that people asked about their 40 liters, "How many goldfish can I have?" I always felt a bit bad saying "... one :| "

Here you usually win shitty cheap toys you can get at a supermarket for half the price used to throw some d*mb balls or pull a string xD But yeah, carrot goldfish sounds cute! Cheesy Maybe even some sweet goldfish, made of sugar paste or marzipan? c:
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Re: Have a question about tank size and health.
« Reply #236 on: October 13, 2011, 01:14:46 PM »

Yeah, with the 40 litre tanks it must suck telling people that! I'm beginning to think the products are to blame.

The amount of tanks I've seen (that are not big enough) having goldfish in the pictures on the box! Not to mention the bowls and rubbish they sell to people for Goldfish. No wonder people end up in situations with dying fish Undecided And no wonder pet shop employees don't know any better, when half the tanks they sell have images of 5 happy goldfish in a 30 litre tank or something crazy like that.

On a happier note, marzipan fish sound yum!
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Re: Have a question about tank size and health.
« Reply #237 on: October 13, 2011, 03:30:45 PM »

It's all a marketing ploy to get you to buy the product. Advertising to make it look safe and apporpriate. Plus the image of a goldfish in a bowl is a classic one. But can you imagine how many bowls would sell if they used this image instead? Bowl makers would go BROKE. Anyone who puts a goldfish in a bowl needs to be locked in a small room without a bathroom and see how they feel trapped in their own waste.
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Re: Have a question about tank size and health.
« Reply #238 on: October 13, 2011, 03:35:33 PM »

But on a happier note as well, Larry's burns are nearly all gone and I'm debating on wether MelaFix is a worthwhile purchase at this point.
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Re: Have a question about tank size and health.
« Reply #239 on: October 14, 2011, 03:16:06 AM »

Heh, in a small bathroom without a toilet seat... Grin

...I could bring that little oranda home :'c
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