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Skwishee
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Re: Have a question about tank size and health.
« Reply #240 on: October 14, 2011, 03:19:43 AM »

Aww horray ^_^ I'm glad Larry is doing well!

One thing I was looking into after our discussion with fairs/bowls, it turns out that in the UK, goldfish are protected under the Animal Welfare Act (I thought there had to be something!).
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"A person responsible for a goldfish has the same duty under the Animal Welfare Act as any other pet owner to ensure the needs of the fish are met. We would investigate cases where it is believed a fish's needs are not being met."
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Re: Have a question about tank size and health.
« Reply #241 on: October 14, 2011, 04:35:52 PM »

Looks like I may have spoke too soon about Larry. :/ He's looking better, but today he seems very sedate and he's not nearly as active as he usually is. Just floating slowly around the tank and in one spot. He does'nt get that excited when he see's me like Bob and Curly do. I just cleaned the gravel and did a small water change but it does'nt seem to have helped.


Scratch that again. Whatever was ailing Larry has passed and he's back to himself now. Smiley Whew.
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Re: Have a question about tank size and health.
« Reply #242 on: October 15, 2011, 07:08:35 AM »

Larry could have been sleeping. Fish do sleep. They just stay there floating but they'll never close their eyes.
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Re: Have a question about tank size and health.
« Reply #243 on: October 15, 2011, 11:22:53 AM »

Possibly. His fins were'nt clamped or anything.
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Re: Have a question about tank size and health.
« Reply #244 on: October 16, 2011, 02:43:00 AM »

And since yours are in more or less constant darkness, they could be pretty confused as to when to sleep Smiley

Maybe you have a desk lamp or something that could keep them company?? There are special plant-growth bulbs you could buy at a grocery store and place in the lamp for the time being! Smiley
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Re: Have a question about tank size and health.
« Reply #245 on: October 16, 2011, 03:04:34 PM »

There's a lamp over the tank and it's on during certain times of the day, but dad has a thing about keeping lights on when they're "not needed". *rolls eyes* They do get a good 8-12 hrs of dark time.
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Re: Have a question about tank size and health.
« Reply #246 on: October 16, 2011, 08:00:56 PM »

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There's a lamp over the tank and it's on during certain times of the day, but dad has a thing about keeping lights on when they're "not needed". *rolls eyes* They do get a good 8-12 hrs of dark time.


LED bulbs... they only use like 5 watts or less.

1.9 watt   Wink
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What's the difference in a bulb being on and the filter running 24/7?
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Re: Have a question about tank size and health.
« Reply #247 on: October 17, 2011, 02:57:14 AM »

Great point Dragonii!! Here's some karma Cheesy
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Re: Have a question about tank size and health.
« Reply #248 on: October 17, 2011, 03:17:48 PM »

New video I just took. Smiley Larry's looking good, just a few tiny spots left on his fins and Bob is looking like a little comet.

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Re: Have a question about tank size and health.
« Reply #249 on: October 17, 2011, 03:36:31 PM »

Aww look at them go! That little white one sure looks spritely!

How big are they GoldFishNoob?
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Re: Have a question about tank size and health.
« Reply #250 on: October 17, 2011, 03:50:08 PM »

Yeah that's Bob and he's the cutest little fish I think I've ever seen. He's about a inch and half. There was'nt much to him when I first got the little bugger now he's coming along quite well. Larry, the big orange common is about...a little over 2 inches and Curly the orange and white is about 2 iches. I wonder how big Moe would have been and how pretty he'd be. :/ I miss him. Such a pretty goldy.

Every time I go near the tank it's like they have little fishy joy attacks and I can just hear them going "OMG OMG OMG OMG it's that strange creature that feeds us! OMG OMG OMG Cheesy "
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Re: Have a question about tank size and health.
« Reply #251 on: October 17, 2011, 04:01:03 PM »

Hehhehe Cheesy! Looks like my goldfish aren't the only ones that do that exact same thing!
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Re: Have a question about tank size and health.
« Reply #252 on: October 17, 2011, 04:05:31 PM »

Oh I think alot of peoples fish do it. That whole 5 second memory thing is BS, they know the person who cares for them and they recognize their tank mates. If they did'nt they'd be either fighting or getting to re-know eachother every 5 seconds, which just boggles my mind. Any social behaviore in fish would not be possible. Same with their suroundings, if they could'nt remember they'd be constantly stressed by the "new invironment".

Then it's been said that the memory thing was actually confused with attention span and that goldfish have a short attention span and get bored easily. If I was a fish in a small empty bowl by myelf I'd be bored too lol. The fact that they can supposedly become bored or depressed is a glimpse into an animal that is a little more complex than one mighht think.
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Re: Have a question about tank size and health.
« Reply #253 on: October 18, 2011, 03:23:42 AM »

Studies and experiments have been made on goldfish, they may have a 5 second attention span, but their memory is very good! Cheesy
Goldfish will remember around which time of the day they'll get fed, and the rest of the time they would be minding their own business. They also know just when the lights go on or off etc.. Smiley
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Re: Have a question about tank size and health.
« Reply #254 on: October 18, 2011, 05:08:05 PM »

Oh, they remember, all fish do. Don't let them fool you with that "science" crap. lol

My cichlids know who I am and they know when food is coming. I should record feeding them tonight. They act like they are starving.
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Re: Have a question about tank size and health.
« Reply #255 on: October 18, 2011, 10:30:22 PM »

Like I said, they act like they never get fed...

You can see how they all croud right up in the feeding corner when they see me coming with the cup of food.
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Re: Have a question about tank size and health.
« Reply #256 on: October 19, 2011, 05:03:18 AM »

Holy Cow how many are there!
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Re: Have a question about tank size and health.
« Reply #257 on: October 19, 2011, 08:32:11 AM »

About 20 or so, not sure exactly. But I need to add a few more,  the tank is a bit under stocked. It's just hard to find really good quality Africans.
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Re: Have a question about tank size and health.
« Reply #258 on: October 19, 2011, 02:21:01 PM »

They're so beautiful!! I'd love a cichlid tank some day.. Smiley
But if it's hard to get nice cichlids there, I bet it's even more challenging here since I can't even find an oranda! D:
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Re: Have a question about tank size and health.
« Reply #259 on: October 19, 2011, 03:10:45 PM »

Jeepers, you call that understocked? lol how big a tank is it?
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Re: Have a question about tank size and health.
« Reply #260 on: October 19, 2011, 10:13:36 PM »

The tank is 150 gallons, African cichlid tanks should be crowded. The normal rule of 1" of fish per gallon does not apply. Being crowded keeps their aggression under control.

We only have one shop here that sells nice Africans, and they are expensive and small (juveniles), fortunately we have few private breeders and that is where I get most of my fish.
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Re: Have a question about tank size and health.
« Reply #261 on: October 20, 2011, 03:38:58 AM »

Huh, seems like a crowded tank would have the opposite effect - make them more agressive due to lack of personaly space.
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Re: Have a question about tank size and health.
« Reply #262 on: October 20, 2011, 04:31:04 AM »

Maybe Cichlids naturally shoal? That way lots together wouldn't bother them as it would be natural?
I've never really looked into Cichlids so I'm only guessing Cheesy

But my days 150 gallons Shocked That's 680 litres! You must have a killer filter for that thing!
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Re: Have a question about tank size and health.
« Reply #263 on: October 20, 2011, 05:45:57 AM »

How they do look healthy!
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Re: Have a question about tank size and health.
« Reply #264 on: October 20, 2011, 10:08:45 AM »

I was staring at a 1000 liter tank just last year... but sadly, I can't cough up 800 just like that so I let it pass... Wink
Was considering Africans in that, or even Oscars and Pearl Cichlids.
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Re: Have a question about tank size and health.
« Reply #265 on: October 20, 2011, 10:34:33 AM »

Africans are territorial. The males (most of mine are male) will fight over certain areas. The theory behind overcrowding them is that they will get distracted by the other fish in the tank. They kind of have ADD when it comes to bullying. An aggressive male will start to pick on one fish but then be distracted immediately by another. He will turn and chase that distraction to then be distracted by a third, so and so on. No one fish gets singled out as there is a number of distractions to protect him. Sounds strange, but it works. It also works for them in the wild. If you look at them in their natural habitat it's pretty much the same thing. Hundreds of fish crowded around piles of rocks chasing each other like kids that need a dose of Ritalin. lol
For the most part they are pretty relaxed, but when one does a bit defensive he loses focus pretty quickly due to all of the others.

Skwishee, the tank is 72 x 18 x 29 (inches), it is filtered by one Aquatop CF-500UV canister and one Magnum 350 canister.
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« Reply #266 on: October 20, 2011, 10:46:41 AM »

This was filmed in Lake Malawi, one of the three Rift lakes of Africa where these cichlids come from. As you can see, they live crowded in the wild.

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Re: Have a question about tank size and health.
« Reply #267 on: October 20, 2011, 10:50:02 AM »

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I was staring at a 1000 liter tank just last year... but sadly, I can't cough up 800 just like that so I let it pass... Wink
Was considering Africans in that, or even Oscars and Pearl Cichlids.

Nossie, this tank took some planning, saving and deal making to make it happen. I traded some computer work for the stand and canopy, sold some old base rock from my salt water tank to the lfs for credit, waited for them to have a sale on tanks, bought the other need stuff like the heaters, filters, lights etc over time... I had an empty stand in my living-room for almost a year before I got it all together. But in the end I spent about a quarter of what it would have cost.
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Re: Have a question about tank size and health.
« Reply #268 on: October 20, 2011, 05:17:47 PM »

Wow thats so awesome, fish distraction! Thanks Dragonii, that's such interesting behaviour in fish!

But I can't help imagining, just how many goldfish you could fit in a 1000 litre tank Cheesy

Also GoldFishNoob how are your little guys doing?
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Re: Have a question about tank size and health.
« Reply #269 on: October 20, 2011, 06:13:53 PM »

My little guys are doing very good. Perky fins, swimming around, picking at everything, getting excited when they see me. Usual fish stuff. Cheesy Getting t be hefty little fish, makes my tank look like it's shrinking.
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