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Nossie
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Re: Have a question about tank size and health.
« Reply #90 on: September 23, 2011, 02:32:50 AM »

Okay, I have quite a lot to add here...

Awesome that you got the filter, I feel better myself! Grin
pH: Goldfish will enjoy a pH ranging from 6.5-8.5 if it's within these limits DO NOT TOUCH. If you start meddling with them trying to change the pH up and down, the value will return to the same when you perform a water change, so it would be a "no gain" situation. In fact, your fish would suffer if the pH would go up and down constantly.

Tap water: Are you saying that you're not using any water conditioner? Because a water conditioner is absolutely necessary when keeping fish!! The chlorine and heavy metals in tap water can be very harmful to your fish. Letting the water sit around for 24 hours won't do anything, that's only a waste of time... :/ If I were you, I'd buy some Stress zyme too, beneficial bacteria on a bottle, that will help your filter tremendously Smiley
Other than that, don't ever clean anything in tap water after it's been introduced to the tank, especially not the filter or gravel. Clean it in a bucket of tank water during maintenance, all the harmful chemicals in the tap water will kill the beneficial bacteria, and if you have bad luck, your fish.
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Re: Have a question about tank size and health.
« Reply #91 on: September 23, 2011, 02:59:41 AM »

It's not normal for fish tank water to smell funky even though it's clean is it? >.<; Something else I'll have to spend money I don't have on probably....I just bought a filter which should have been a 30 and not a 20, now I gotta get a test kit and water declorinator and a bigger tank eventually and filter for that. I can't afford all this. What's more, I just realized I don't have room for a 55 gal tank even if I did have the money. I'm getting really annoyed with this. I think I'm done. If they die they die, at least they had a decent life. Enjoy them while I have them I guess. I'll think twice about getting fish next time I look longingly at a Beta.
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Re: Have a question about tank size and health.
« Reply #92 on: September 23, 2011, 04:40:02 AM »

Water declorinator is quite cheap around here it's about 1.99 for a bottle that can treat 57 litres.
And the Stress Zyme I picked up a bottle that treats 1, 794 litres for around 10, so it's not too expensive and if used adequately will last a long time. The water test kit I've already mentioned in a previous post Smiley

I understand it can be frustrating, if it's easier prioritise what you need and buy them over a period of time. I've been buying stuff in dribs and drabs over a period of a month or so. As I've been learning what I need as I go along, like you.

But if you really don't want to keep them, please give them away to someone who can look after them, don't keep them until they die, that just isn't fair on the fish!
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Re: Have a question about tank size and health.
« Reply #93 on: September 23, 2011, 05:26:41 AM »

Water conditioner is cheap, especially on such a small tank, that's really not a reason to get upset for :/
Tank water will usually smell a little bit like earth in a healthy system, but not like dead/rotten fish or otherwise unpleasant.

I'm sorry, but I'm getting pretty angry reading that "If they die they die, at least they had a decent life". Because they obviously didn't if they lived to be at most 1-2 years old when a goldfish can be 20 years :/ It's really not fair of you, and it's definitely not the proper way of thinking about something that lives and feels just like you do. Say you have a cat, keep a dirty litter box for it, cat dies from something and you go "Oops. It died. At least it had a decent life".

Like Skwishee says, if you are sure you can't keep these fish, give them away to the pet shop at least!!
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Re: Have a question about tank size and health.
« Reply #94 on: September 23, 2011, 09:22:06 AM »

Calm down Nossie, she is just overwhelmed. I'm sure she didn't mean it.

Let's get a few things straight before you go flushing your fish sweety. Dechlorinator is cheap, I use a product called Prime. It runs about $9 for a 500ml bottle and will treat 5,000 gallons of water. You can also buy it in little small bottles.
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One drop per gallon, it would last you a while and it's like $4.

As for a test kit, it's not really not needed. I don't know how things are over there Nossie, but over here all she has to do is take a sample of water into any Petco or Petsmart and they will fully test it for free. I used to have regular customers that came in once a week for testing. They would rather have me test it for them because I could tell them what to do if a test was off.

And you don't need a 55 gallon tank if you can't fit a 55 gallon. I suggested a 55 because they are the most popular and therefore easiest to find second hand. You could buy a big plastic storage bin at the dollar store and put them on the patio as long as the water is kept clean. I live in southern Louisiana, and we have goldfish everywhere in some of the strangest things that you could imagine. Our tropical climate means that people like to sit outside and enjoy a cold glass of tea or beer. What could go better with that than a pretty goldfish pond? You name it, someone has put a goldfish in it. Old whiskey barrel, big boiling pots, big plastic tubs, horse watering troughs ( I have a friend with one), even old bath tubs.
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Just take a deep breath, pull yourself together, and it will all be fine.  Smiley
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Re: Have a question about tank size and health.
« Reply #95 on: September 23, 2011, 09:36:26 AM »

Oh, and Betta fish are very easy.... but they do need bigger containers than those crappy little things you see them in all the time.
Two gallons is a good start.
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Re: Have a question about tank size and health.
« Reply #96 on: September 23, 2011, 09:37:28 AM »

But if she doesn't want to take care of them, she should give them to a pet store or maybe a hotel that has a goldfish pond.
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Re: Have a question about tank size and health.
« Reply #97 on: September 23, 2011, 10:51:25 AM »

Than you for understanding my frustration and feeling overwhelmed Dragonii. I have'nt stopped caring, exact opposite, it's because I care that I'm so upset. I never meant to make it seem like I was just going to let the tank sit around until they died or flush them down the pocelian thrown. Now that would be cruel. It's just money is very, very tight. I don't hav a job (I have been looking) and both my parents are disabled and the only money I make is when I draw pictures for people, do house work or when some one pitches in for my birthday every year and I don't have a car to be running back and forth to PetCo. I also live in an apartment, so even though I have a patio, it's not the biggest and I'd have to see if putting something like a large plastic tub is even allow, it may constitute as "clutter". That would be cool though....with all our plants on the patio...*Pictures nice pond scene*

I'll try my best to get the declorinator and after that if can't find a good, large situation for them as they grow I'll give them away to some one or some place. I can't give them away now right after I bought the filter with dads little money he had left this month. He. Will. Be. Pissed.

The water does'nt smell anymore and it's begun to cloud, I heard the clouding is normal even with a filter because it's cycling. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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Re: Have a question about tank size and health.
« Reply #98 on: September 23, 2011, 11:23:25 AM »

A little clouding is normal during cycling. Personally I have never noticed it.
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Re: Have a question about tank size and health.
« Reply #99 on: September 23, 2011, 11:36:11 AM »

It's not too bad. But it's not as clear as it was. I told my mum while I'm gone to get in there and clean the poo and such out of the tank. I showed her how to do it.
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Re: Have a question about tank size and health.
« Reply #100 on: September 23, 2011, 11:48:35 AM »

Did you rinse off the bio bag and carbon before putting the filter on? Sometimes the dust created in shipping  from the bio tubes will make it cloudy too.

I understand about the money situation. We have been lucky here in Louisiana, the economy has been good for us, unlike other places, and work has not been hard ti find. I have been at my current job for going on 5 years now and my fiance has been at hers for 10 years.

I have seen your drawings, very nice work. I stumbled on you deviant art page,  Wink

Have you thought about trying to sell prints on Ebay or something? You would also make a good tattoo designer, maybe sell some rights to tattoo shops or the companies that make the tattoo patterns... I'm sure you could find a way to make a few extra bucks with it. I was doing private photo shoots for a while to make extra cash, I just got tired of dealing with flaky people not showing up on time.
You could maybe even do contract work to make a few bucks pet lovers. Simple stuff like draw people a picture of their goldfish for $10. Have them email you a photo, you draw it and mail them the picture. They could pay you via paypal.

Your work is good. I could really see you doing a nice goldfish for someone and them framing it.

Try to do some examples, see what it would get you.

Like this drawing of a koi...
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I know you can draw just as well, imagine something like that done in the colors of someones particular fish. They may be willing to pay for it, frame it and hang it up. I know your goldfish and most of the ones you see in the pet stores are pretty cheap, but some people pay good money for their pond fish like koi. Years ago I sold a customer a rare butterfly koi that was about two feet long, he paid almost $2,000 for that fish. Paying a few bucks for some nice art wouldn't be a big thing for him.
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Re: Have a question about tank size and health.
« Reply #101 on: September 23, 2011, 12:47:01 PM »

It's pretty hard finding customers for commissions, I've had pretty many but most of them were acquaintances of mine, so at most I've earned a few hundred on that over the last 2 years or so. But it's always a good extra income of course.
Sometimes you just gotta try and grab whatever is available, even if it'd be in a crappy cash desk in a shop or something. I honestly don't know how things look over there, but it's all about trying and trying again.

I happen to be pretty involved with tattoos as well since I'm working on becoming a tattoo artist, and well, tattoo flash is pretty outdated nowadays. Most people want custom pieces, so trying to sell sheets with roses and whatnot is probably not going to work that well, since the design has to fit the flow of the body too rather than looking like a sticker on the skin. It also can't be too small or too detailed. Not saying that it's impossible, but professional tattoo artists usually know better how to make a certain design look to work as a tattoo.
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Re: Have a question about tank size and health.
« Reply #102 on: September 23, 2011, 02:09:33 PM »

Nossie, have seen her work? I think tattoo artist is something that she may want to consider as a trade.

I saw you had a few drawings posted on one of the threads... very talented. Ya'll make me want to pull out the box of pencils and dust it off. lol
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Re: Have a question about tank size and health.
« Reply #103 on: September 23, 2011, 02:18:04 PM »

I know how tough commission art work can be. I'm not saying that it would be a career, but if she sold a couple of pictures she could have some extra cash for supplies. lol

I paid for a lot of my photography equipment by doing photo shoots cheap for girls that wanted pictures for portfolios or whatever.

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Re: Have a question about tank size and health.
« Reply #104 on: September 23, 2011, 10:31:54 PM »

That's a gorgeous picture! O.O

Aaaw, thanks guys. Smiley I've actually been told I should do tattoo work. You know, I've done some tarantula art on the tarantula forum I'm part of and sold it, I never thought of doing fish for this forum.....That's actually a really good idea. But there's no sales thread/section here? Would I be allowed to sell drawings from here? I really don't like going through 3rd party sites. I like the between me and the customer situation.

Here's a clown fish drawing a did a while back...That was 2 years ago, I can probably do much better work now.

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Re: Have a question about tank size and health.
« Reply #105 on: September 24, 2011, 01:06:50 AM »

Should I still be doing water changes even with the filter going? My biggest Goldie, Moe is acting out of character. :/ I'm a little worried about him.
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Re: Have a question about tank size and health.
« Reply #106 on: September 24, 2011, 05:03:33 AM »

Hey GoldFishNoob,

Nice picture of the clown fish Wink What is your deviantart by the way? I'd like to have a peek  Smiley
Selling pictures of peoples pet's in general can be a good way to go, it's something I've been considering for a while, but I don't know many people with pets XD Plus you can always sell prints via deviantart these days!

I can also understand how it can be overwhelming, I was the same, but the feelings pass and you begin to realise that those little fish, they need you. And you are doing the best you can for them, so in the words of Dory, just keep swimming Smiley

With a filter you still need to do weekly water changes.
But when you say 'acting out of character' could you describe it a little more?
Also I didn't realise you could get water tested at pet shops, I'm not sure they do that here in the UK(?). But definitley go for that option, it'll save some pennies Grin

I also didn't know (as Dragonii has kindly pointed out) that you can use almost anything as a tank Cheesy Have a look around, I'm sure you'll be able to find something for the little guys!


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Re: Have a question about tank size and health.
« Reply #107 on: September 24, 2011, 05:22:02 AM »

On this  forum you're not allowed to post commercials or try to sell things, as far as the rules go. You could try on some other bigger forums though.

As already mentioned twice, the filter won't replace water changes Smiley In your case, twice a week will probably suffice.
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Re: Have a question about tank size and health.
« Reply #108 on: September 24, 2011, 08:42:37 AM »

I must have missed the part about water changes during cycling in the massive walls of info. I'm sorry. *Bangs head on keyboard.* I'll do one right now.

As for Moe, he's just been a little less active that usual and last night I noticed his dorsal fin was smoothed out across his back instead of up straight like it usually is. The rest of the fish seem fine though. It's just him. As for testing the water at the pet store, as I meantion before also, I don't have a car, so unless I can test once a month I can't take the bus down to the pet store every time I need my water tested. As for selling pics here, that stucks. :/ I really don't like going through Deviant art, I already checked it out and they take a sizeable chunk out of your payment.


As for my deviant art name it's Dragonmasterx10
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Re: Have a question about tank size and health.
« Reply #109 on: September 24, 2011, 09:07:18 AM »

That's okay, you know now Smiley

Sorry to hear Moe isn't quite himself... I'm not sure.... it could be the water quality? When I say water quality, I refer to the chemicals in the water ammonia/nitrite/nitrate. If the tanks cycling, that could be it? Keep an eye on him and see how he goes. Is there anything else thats unusaul about him? Maybe take a close look and check him over.
I'm not very experienced myself, so far the only time Lucky hasn't been herself was because of the water. (Sorry I can't be more help on that!).

Also if travelling is a problem (which I can appreciate, I have to walk 2 miles to the nearest pet store if my local aquarium shop is closed and its an emergency XD) perhaps having a test kit at home would be easier for you? It'd save money on bus fare every week.

Oh also for art work, have you perhaps tried Etsy? Thats a website I've been meaning to join forever, but you can sell art work and such on it =) Not sure what percentage from work they take though.
Nice deviantart gallery though Wink
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Re: Have a question about tank size and health.
« Reply #110 on: September 24, 2011, 09:24:13 AM »

Etsy I've looked into too, but I think there was a reason why I couldn't join that site....forget why. I'll have to check again.

I need to try and pick up a test kit, yes. Not sure when, but I'll get at least some kinda kit.

As for Moe, he's still swimming around quite a bit. So I'm not immediately concerned, he came out of hiding and joined the rest of the gang to say hi to me at the glass and when he swims around his dorsal fin sticks up again sometimes.  Like...sometimes it's flat and sometimes it looks fine, it's really weird. But he seems to like to stay under the plastic green planter alot. Also, for a while now, probably since I got him, he's had some slight damage to his back fin. It almost looks like some one took a pair of scissors and cut part of his fin horizontally. Not sure if it's just the way he is or if it's something that's worrysome.
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Re: Have a question about tank size and health.
« Reply #111 on: September 24, 2011, 10:05:05 AM »

Etsy is a good idea. I have a friend that started sell greeting cards and invitations on there, she makes good money doing that now.
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Re: Have a question about tank size and health.
« Reply #112 on: September 24, 2011, 10:22:05 AM »

Hmmm, with his back fin, was it definitley like that -with the split- when you first got him?

As Nossie told me in another thread, Goldfish in fairs aren't always 100% physically, for example, my Lucky has a chunk of his dorsal fin actually missing. The front bit is there like a little spike on his head and theres more of his fin towards to the tail. But the middle bit is just not there. (If you take a look at my thread on the health and illness forum you'll see what I mean).
So if he was like that when you got him, chances are that's just how he is.
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Re: Have a question about tank size and health.
« Reply #113 on: September 24, 2011, 01:01:03 PM »

As for deviantart, I'd never let them have any of my profit! D: I always do my commissions privately, and if needed, I'll have a printing company make prints for me etc. It's nothing but a bad deal trying to sell prints on dA, ridiculously small amount of the money goes to the actual artist... :/

It's pretty natural for your fish to be acting up right now, they're as stressed as you are about the whole deal, there's really nothing but patience that will work! But in case you notice and strange patches of fluff or torn fins with white edges, you may need to try and treat that. However, as long as you'll try to change the water every time you find it needed, they'd probably be okay Smiley
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Re: Have a question about tank size and health.
« Reply #114 on: September 24, 2011, 02:17:04 PM »

I'm %90 sure his fin was like that when I got him. I've never seen any harassing or bullying ( Except the one time Bob swam up and took a nip at him) in my tank and with Moe as big as he is, I'd expect him to be the last one to come under fire. XD I've been reading about how something the other fish will gang up on weaker/unhealthy fish though....apon looking at him closer, I noticed the edges of the tear in his fin are white. Sad

What should I do? Is he contagious? Should I seperate him? I have a feeling the filter and the cycling process the tank is going through had something to do with this...cause he was'nt like this before I added the filter and the torn fin must have made him more susseptable to this sorta thing...
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« Reply #115 on: September 24, 2011, 03:15:55 PM »

Here's a couple of pictures of my poor Moe Moe...

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« Reply #116 on: September 24, 2011, 03:46:46 PM »

Larry, my big orange Goldie was chasing Moe around the tank. I think I'm going to need to get Moe out of there. Sad This situation with Moe is deteriorating quickly.
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« Reply #117 on: September 24, 2011, 05:49:18 PM »

My friend who's had fish before seems to think he has fin rot/fungal infection. I think he's right, because his top fin looks shorter than the bottom and it was never like that before. I'm gonna have to pick up something anit-fungal from PetCo soon. He does'nt look well.
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« Reply #118 on: September 24, 2011, 07:00:41 PM »

Yeah...Moes got fin rot. He's not looking too good. Pretty sure I might loose him before I can get him some rid fungus. Sad I'm pretty sad about it and confused as to why my other fish are doing great and Moe is sick.

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« Reply #119 on: September 25, 2011, 01:26:21 AM »

Moe passed away a few minutes ago.  I felt so helpless, like I could'nt do anything. It happened so fast I did'nt have time to react.
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