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JazmyneW
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New fantail goldfish
« on: November 09, 2010, 01:25:47 AM »

i just got 2 new goldfish (stacey and johnny) (fantail calico) for company for my Common goldfish(stevo)  and one, Stacey seems to be depressed. she sits at the bottom of the tank. is she going to be okay?
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Re: New fantail goldfish
« Reply #1 on: November 09, 2010, 02:00:30 AM »

also i would like to add that all three of them are huddled in the corner. is something up? i feel worried. Sad
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Re: New fantail goldfish
« Reply #2 on: November 09, 2010, 07:36:22 AM »

How big is your tank?
Did you test the water for ammonia, nitrite, nitrate and pH?
Did you add them all at once?
What kind of filtration have you got?
Did you quarantine the new fish before adding to the tank?
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JazmyneW
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Re: New fantail goldfish
« Reply #3 on: November 09, 2010, 10:41:36 AM »

i have 2 others and they are doing perfectly fine. and i have a 10 gallon tank and water filtration and all that. i think maybe she misses PetCo. lol. i added the one i had before (stevo) in first, to get use to his new tank, and then i added johnny and stacey.  while she sits at the bottom the other 2 take turns next to her, trying to get her to swiim with them.  it'll work for a while but then she'll go right back to the corner.
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Re: New fantail goldfish
« Reply #4 on: November 09, 2010, 01:32:50 PM »

You have... a 10 gallon tank for three/four fish? In that case, it's too small, and what's happening to them now, is that they are most probably getting poisoned by their own waste, that's why they don't want to swim. The fish are uncomfortable in their water, so they're far less active than they should.

You need to think 10 gallons for ONE fish, in order to make the eco system in the aquarium work Smiley In other words, you need to buy a new, big tank and a water test kit for pH, ammonia, nitrite and nitrate. Test the water EVERY DAY, and change 50% whenever ammonia and nitrite are above 0, and nitrate are above 30ppm. That way you'll be able to keep your fish alive at least until you'll get yourself a new tank. It might be a good idea to buy some medical aquarium salt and add some of that after a water change. Dissolve the correct dose (following the instructions) in a bucket of fresh water that you'll add to the tank. Remember to add water conditioner as well!

For these fish you need a 30 or even a 40 gallon tank. The bigger the better. Get a filter that turns 10 times the tank volume, meaning, if you'll get a 30 gallon, you'll need either a filter that pumps 150gph-300gph, and for a 40 gallon you need a 200gph or even 400gph.
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Hanna
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Re: New fantail goldfish
« Reply #5 on: November 09, 2010, 05:12:42 PM »

Nossie is right, you CANNOT keep 3/4 goldfish in a 10 gal tank. This is just enough room for ONE goldfish.

Follow her advise and get a 40gal with the proper equipment asap, make those waterchanges and test regularly. Also feed less.
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Re: New fantail goldfish
« Reply #6 on: November 09, 2010, 06:07:54 PM »

the lady at the pet store said i needed the 10 gallon for my 3 fish and two of them are perfectly fine and real small so i think ithey fit perfect in the tank. the water is fine me and my bf checked everything. its just that the one female jus likes to lay in the corner while the two males try to get her to swim with them.  i think she is just sad and trying to get used to her new environment
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Re: New fantail goldfish
« Reply #7 on: November 09, 2010, 06:23:36 PM »

the fish are only about 1-1/2 inches long. they are babies. so the lady at the pet store said we only needed a 10 gallon until they got bigger.

and hey i only wanted to know whats wrong with my female who keeps sulking.
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Re: New fantail goldfish
« Reply #8 on: November 10, 2010, 12:57:17 AM »

Well, the lady at the petstore is definitely WRONG.
I've been down the same track and learned that unfortunately most staff at the petstore don't advise you properly, they prefer to sell to you.
Yes, first a small tank, but in a couple of weeks -YES weeks- you'll need to get a bigger tank because your fishies will grow fast.
And at the moment they poison themselves in that small tank with their own waste.
If you read through the posts on this forum, you will agree with us.
And please remember that a fish is not only a decoration, nice to look at, it is a living lovely creature, depending on us to get food, to feel happy and healthy but only if we provide them the very best environment possible. They need our love and care like any other pet we have.

So basically this is the answer what's wrong with your fishie: too small tank to live in.
You can go to bookstores and have a look at aquarium books. Maybe you buy one and have a read and you'll agree that we are right. You will have lots of info how to set up a tank as well.

Look we are here to help and this is what we are doing. We want you to be happy with your fishie and your fishie to be happy and healthy and thriving in the best environment.
If there is more you like to know, please ask anytime Wink
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Re: New fantail goldfish
« Reply #9 on: November 10, 2010, 02:58:51 AM »

I agree with Hanna, do you think we'd actually tell you that the tank is too small in the first place, if that didn't have any impact on either of your fish? The problem here, is the water quality that you refuse to have tested. Just because it LOOKS clean, doesn't at all mean that it IS! You can't see ammonia or nitrites with the naked eye.
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Re: New fantail goldfish
« Reply #10 on: November 10, 2010, 09:46:14 PM »

Everyone is telling you what is wrong!!! Why ask for help and say we are wrong and then say you were just asking for help??
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Re: New fantail goldfish
« Reply #11 on: November 10, 2010, 11:27:00 PM »

Hi Jazmyne, I am sorry to hear your fish is not feeling well. I love their names btw Wink Sitting on the bottom is never a good sign Sad I have one goldfish who lives in a 10 gallon tank and I've struggled for nearly 12 weeks to get the water right because I couldn't figure out the cycling process. I am new to fish keeping and had no idea what I was doing. It's getting easier but at the time I was so frustrated! The balance with the water is vital to the well being of your fish and it is so important to familiarize yourself with this cycling process. Could you tell us a little more? Have you kept fish before? Do you know about the nitrogen cycle? If so, then we can skip over a few things. Because your female is sitting on the bottom seemingly sulking is really not the issue. The issue is the pet store lead you to believe that what you bought and set up at home would be ok and the result of that misinformation is what is making your sweet little fish unhappy. You didn't knowingly do anything wrong. There is simply way too many fish in your tank. Even if they are babies and the water is fresh and clear it could be deadly. I know I believed this myself at first and then I stumbled upon this goldfish forum when a big problem arose and I received the most informative straight talk from all the passionate fish keepers within it.

The first thing I did was get those test kits. They cost a lot when bought separately but I've seen entire 'master' kits with everything you'd need in them for at most. $30 After establishing the readings, I was able to come back on here and post my results to which I received more info on the next step and then the next. It's been quite a learning experience and so worth the time and effort. I wish you and your fish the best.
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Re: New fantail goldfish
« Reply #12 on: November 11, 2010, 12:39:51 AM »

Hi Jazmyne, April told you her story, keeping Mr.Tailer in 10gal and the problems she had. Now Mr. Tailer trippled in size according to the fact that April sarted to follow our advice, also we developed a fantastic friendship on here  Wink

My story is (I try to keep it shorter,  Wink ) that when we started with our two goldfish Humphrey and Hepsiba ( March this year) we were advised to get a 6 l tank which is plenty for those guys ( each about 4 cm small ) I didn't know about cycling, water chemistry, etc.
During the first week we faced the first problems and I found this forum and a few others, read through the posts and the next day we were off to get them a bigger tank and all other needed things like water conditioner, test kit, beneficial bacteria, etc.
During this first week we had our fishies, the water was murky in no time, they lost scales. We got a 34 l tank... again advised by a pet shop staff. I set it up with plants, rocks, filter, spraybar, bubble bar. Our fishies recovered quick, were happy BUT after 3 month they grew out the tank, so we got another one. Again set up etc, now they are the happiest fishies going  Grin and I am the happiest fish-mummy ever that I never questioned the advice given to me from those marvelous ladies on here. And THANKING every one of them it happened that in the meantime I know a lot about fish keeping ( not everything though  Grin ) and I would  be more than happy if our posts here will have the same impact on you.

Please follow our advice if you want to have  happy, healthy fishies give them the water and the space they deserve and need.

May I ask another question, just out of curiosity: as they all are babies, how can you tell that one is a female and the other two are males? Are there some signs?
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Re: New fantail goldfish
« Reply #13 on: November 11, 2010, 12:47:48 AM »

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the fish are only about 1-1/2 inches long. they are babies. so the lady at the pet store said we only needed a 10 gallon until they got bigger.

... typical money making strategy which happens in some pet stores, selling a small tank first, well knowing that in no time the customer will be back to get a bigger tank, then you need a bigger filter too, etc....
Goldfish grow fast, VERY fast.....
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Re: New fantail goldfish
« Reply #14 on: November 11, 2010, 01:46:52 AM »

It's as important with goldfish as it is with tropicals or anything else, to estimate how large they will grow, and buy a tank that will allow a certain amount of fish and then stick to it Smiley That way the fish will stay healthy, with enough space in their tank, and your maintenance will be easier Wink

So Hanna is right, it's like that in most pet shops that they simply do anything to get more sales! For instance, some even sell bowls for goldfish, along with 2-3 fish. Later the customer comes back because all their fish died and they're told that it should be fine to keep new goldies in there. Meaning: Lots of profit for the shop, and another bad rumor about goldfish.

We've all been in your position! Most of us started off with goldfish in bowls/too small tanks because we simply didn't know better! So really, don't think that we're judging your or anything Smiley We're only trying to make it easier for you, so that you can avoid some of the mistakes and problems we had to deal with Smiley
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