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snow25699j
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Help!!! gold fishes not eating
« on: May 05, 2012, 06:24:47 AM »

I had 9 goldies in a glass tank roughly 100cmX30cmX20cm. my holidays started so i took them along in a bucket with a battery aerator for a 6 hr road trip. i put them in a cement tank roughly the same size as the glass tank. later i transferred them to a bigger cement tank. then i noticed a huge tank roughly 1 meter cube. I filled it up and transferred them. the tank had a leak so i had to refill it daily(the leak has since slowed). there are some floating plants, half the tank is covered and the other half with a grill. the fishes were eating properly for about a week and now, for 2 weeks, the only thing eating the fish food are some water insects. there is a fistful of pebbles and a recent addition is a lotus plant in a pot. the fishes are: 1 black moor 3 goldies 2 blue gold 1 brass gold (2 went missing). they seem to be nibbling at leaves which fall in and some algae.
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Re: Help!!! gold fishes not eating
« Reply #1 on: May 05, 2012, 07:13:30 AM »

Hi Snow and welcome to the forum,

Firstly 9 goldfish is a lot, for such a small tank of 100x30x30cm, which by my calculations is only 90 litres.
With goldfish, for fancy varieties, the minimum rule for stocking is 80 litres for the first fish and then 40 litres for each additional fish.

However you have mentioned, that you now have a 1 metre cube tank? Is it 1 metre in length, height and width?
If so, then this is much better suited for your fish. What filtration do you have on the tank?

You should be able to fix the leak, one of the other members here can advise you what to do (as I've never done it before) but it can be possible to re-seal tanks with aquarium sealant.

May I ask how long your holiday was? Generally goldfish can survive without food for two weeks, so I was just curious as to why you needed to take the fish with you?

May I also ask what you mean by describing your fish as 'blue gold' and 'brass gold'? I've never heard of goldfish being that colour, which makes me begin to think those are koi?
Are your other goldfish (besides the moor) fancy variety or singled tailed?

Hmmm so as to why the fish aren't eating, what temperature is the tank at? Have you tested the water for ammonia, nitrite and nitrate? If so what were the results.
Are the fish acting abnormally in anyway such as bottom sitting, flashing, or are there any visual symptoms on their bodies that could indicate a possible illness?
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Re: Help!!! gold fishes not eating
« Reply #2 on: May 05, 2012, 09:10:00 AM »

in the glass tank they had an aerator .the cement tank which they are in now has no access to any ac outlet. they pretty much live with no modern equipment. i brought them along so i can leave them here so they can grow(they only seem to grow in cement tanks) and because the last time i left my goldies on a holiday the aerator got disconnected and all died Cry. my holiday is a summer hols, 2 months. and as i mentioned, the leak in slowing down and i guess it will stop by the end of this month.
what should i do about the goldies not eating? today they were quiet sluggish and i was not even able to see their mouth moving. will they survive on the floating pants, insects, algae, the lotus plant and leaves or should i catch them, transfer them to a smaller tank till they recover?(which will be a bit hard since it's a large tank, small fishes and the moor&brass are hard to spot while the rest are fast) they have not been eating for roughly 2 weeks. there is no aquarium equipment in this town as far as i know.
i checked about the blue gold and i think a close match would be shubunkin goldfish with only blue, black and white. not sure because the person i bought them from just called them 'blue gold fish' and 'brass gold fish'
the brass gold fish is a goldie with a brass colour(i guess)
they are not showing any abnormal behavior. 1 week after i left them in, they just came swam around the food at top speed and swam off. i will check tommorow again for any abnormal behavior. 
i cant see any visual problem,they have become a bit longer(i guess the grew) and the colours have become darker or more intense. 
as for the tails, the fishes which i suspect are the shubunkin goldfish, the tails are single
the others have a split at the tail making a upside down Y shape. they do not have any flowing long tails.
and snce there is no aquarium equipment in this town as far as i know, i do not know the temprature. the tank is outdoors if it helps. years ago i had goldies,in the second cement tank i mentioned which is out doors, and had no problem
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Re: Help!!! gold fishes not eating
« Reply #3 on: May 05, 2012, 09:29:05 AM »

Okay so what dimensions is the cement tank? Was the cement treated, so that it would be suitable for holding water?
I ask because concrete if not treated will leach lime into the water.

So it's more like a pond?
I imagine the brass colour is a common?

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A shubunkin can have blue colouration...
So along with the Moor, what are the other 3? Are they single tailed as well or fancy?

I ask because generally single tailed and fancy fish shouldn't be mixed. The fancy varieties of fish such as the Moor, tend to swim slower and can be out competed for food, as well as become stressed by the quicker and more agile single tailed goldfish. I'm not too sure on fancy goldfish in a pond, I think it depends on location as I know fancy goldfish wouldn't be too happy being over-wintered in a pond here in the UK!

In terms of equipment, a tank or pond, no matter how low it's stocked, generally needs some form of filtration. In a tank you want filtration to turn over the volume of the tank 10x an hour, however in a pond, because they are generally bigger it tends to be the entire volume 1x an hour.

For tanks, external filters are usually best for Goldfish.
In Ponds you have the choice of pressurised filters, gravity filters and a newer type referred to as moving beds filter. I can find examples of these, if you'd like to see actual products, what they look like and what they do. I know just seeing words doesn't really explain alot XD

With the goldies not eating, sometimes if the temperature is low enough i.e. below 5 degrees Celsius/41 degrees Fahrenheit, they do become less active and won't eat, simply because they cannot digest food at such a low temperature. This is generally in winter, so depending on what the weather has been like where you are, this could explain their behaviour.
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Re: Help!!! gold fishes not eating
« Reply #4 on: May 05, 2012, 11:34:23 AM »

Mentioning only the colors of the goldfish is pretty useless because frankly, it doesn't matter even a little Tongue What is necessary to know, is what kind they are, how many twin-tailed goldfish do you have, and how many single-tailed?

Assuming that this cube tank of your actually is 100x100x100cm, you are at least providing enough space for the fish, but that's about it. I would suggest that you read up a lot on goldfish requirements, their dietary needs and filtration.
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Re: Help!!! gold fishes not eating
« Reply #5 on: May 05, 2012, 08:10:40 PM »

this morning i went to check on the goldies for any problem. but today they were very active and darting around the tank. i dropped some food and all of them came and swam around the food like they used to shortly after they stopped eating and went on for 5 mins. when they still did not eat, i gave up and moved the grill cover to protect them the mother king fisher. the grill made a grating noise and something happened to the goldies when they heard it cos they instantly attacked the food with great speed, jumping over the floating plants to get the escaped food Shocked Shocked Shocked Huh then i dropped more food and the same thing happened.  Huh any idea what happened to them?
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Re: Help!!! gold fishes not eating
« Reply #6 on: May 06, 2012, 06:41:22 AM »

Has there been any predators near your pond recently?
Sometimes fish become shy and hide more often, if there has been a recent event, so perhaps they felt safer with the protection of the grate at the top to eat?

That's a lot of speculation, I'm really not sure.... But it's good that their eating again.

Any luck with a pond filter?  Smiley
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Re: Help!!! gold fishes not eating
« Reply #7 on: May 06, 2012, 09:28:09 PM »

i guess they were worried about the mother kingfisher which lives in a near by well with a baby king fisher which i hear making a lot of noise. today they refused to eat the floating food, but the pieces which sank was eaten swiftly Cheesy. i guess i have to soak the food for a few hours so it sinks and then they can eat it. and unfortunately no luck on the pond filter(no ac outlet,and don't think it is available in this place). but the mild leak should help in keeping the tank clean as i have to refill the tank with clean water daily. Smiley the strange thing is that in the glass tank, every time they spotted me, they will come to the top as if they are asking for food. so their not eating was quiet strange...    
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Re: Help!!! gold fishes not eating
« Reply #8 on: May 07, 2012, 03:06:36 AM »

Maybe that leak isn't so bad after all? If you don't have a filter yet, it might help, as you said Smiley

Have you looked into some sinking kind of pellets? Do you feed them peas? I bet these would be very welcome in your fishes' diets... Smiley
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Re: Help!!! gold fishes not eating
« Reply #9 on: May 07, 2012, 03:21:01 AM »

for the sinking pellets, i thought i will soak some floating pellets for a day so it will sink, i have a small experimental batch of pellets soaking right now.
as for the peas, i thought of trying it soon. are there any other vegetables that the goldies will eat? they are a bit fussy. i have already tried peas in the glass tank and they ignored it waiting for the floating food... i guess they will only eat sinking foods here so it's worth a shot...     
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Re: Help!!! gold fishes not eating
« Reply #10 on: May 07, 2012, 06:29:09 AM »

I soak my floating pellets in garlic oil, goldfish love that Wink You could look for something called Garlic Guard by Seachem.

My goldfish really like Squash, you could try boiling that a little so it'll sink and see if they'll eat it. Other members have had success with broccoli and carrots and stuff... most veggies need to be blanched a little to be easier to eat Smiley
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Re: Help!!! gold fishes not eating
« Reply #11 on: May 07, 2012, 07:58:11 AM »

I've had success with brocolli and courgette/zuchinni, I usaully blanch them as Nossie mentioned, so their softer for the fish to eat.

When your fish were in the glass tank were they indoors during that period?
Have any fish been damaged or attacked by the kingfisher? I have sometimes heard stories where a fish has been attacked or taken from the pond and so in response the other fish tend to shy away from the surface and hide.

So there's a leak in the concrete somewhere? I would still suggest to try and find a pond filter asap and patch the leak up, as it could get worse the longer you leave it?
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Re: Help!!! gold fishes not eating
« Reply #12 on: May 07, 2012, 08:27:01 AM »

ok, i'll try your suggestions. i can get peas,carrots for sure and i'll try to get hold of that squash. does the garlic oil make a mess on the tank?
 and yes they were indoors in the glass tank. i guess the king fisher caught 2 of my fishes which i said earlier were missing from the original 9. one was a weak female shortly after breeding, i guess was caught as it rested at the surface Cry. will they be able to live on some insects, algae, the floating water plants and the lotus? cos even tough they were not eating well or not eating for 2 weeks, they were quiet active... the tank has been setup now for at least 3-4 weeks now
the leak has reduced quiet dramatically. the first days half the tank would leak out in say 4-5 hours. now it takes a whole day but still only 1/4th of the tank leaks out. so i guess it will eventually stop. my grand father had fishes in that tank some 30 years ago but it fell into disuse and now i am trying grow fishes after so many years so i guess the cement had some minor leak which is getting plugged with dirt.i don't think i could find it for sealing anyway... 
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Re: Help!!! gold fishes not eating
« Reply #13 on: May 07, 2012, 02:33:40 PM »

Ah okay, if the kingfisher had two of the fish, then that would explain their behaviour. You mentioned having the pond covered with a grate? Does that cover the entire pond?

Generally from what I've seen, people often cover the entire pond with a net, so birds can't get to the fish and eventually once the fish have their confidence back, they will come to the surface again for food. I imagine whilst in the tank as they had no predators around they were probably quite confident!

Soaking the pellets so they sink as Nossie mentioned, does sound like a good idea to try in the mean time  Smiley

You could always try online stores or second hand websites for pond filters too, generally you want the turn over to be a minimum of once every two hours, hopefully if I can build a pond next year I intend to get a filter that can turn over my entire ponds volume once every hour  Smiley
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Re: Help!!! gold fishes not eating
« Reply #14 on: May 07, 2012, 10:02:07 PM »

i gave the fishes the soaked food. at first there was some surprise as they saw the food disintegrating and snking their way but soon they started taking big bites out of it...
i will be trying carrots today and i will be getting peas soon. i don't think there is squash in my locality. can i try cucumbers instead?
and this the tank they are in. took with my phone cam...
tried to get a pic of my fishes but the reflection on the water ruined the pics so i did not post it...    
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Re: Help!!! gold fishes not eating
« Reply #15 on: May 08, 2012, 03:38:18 AM »

I tried giving cucumbers to my goldfish, but they weren't interested Wink But you should try, definitely, I think they might like the soft center of cucumbers..

when I soak the food in garlic oil I usually put such a small amount of oil into the pellets (in a small measuring cup) that they simply absorb all of it, if they don't, I just "poke" the pellets out with a chop stick and pour away the remainder of the oil into the sink Smiley
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Re: Help!!! gold fishes not eating
« Reply #16 on: May 08, 2012, 04:17:11 AM »

ok will  try cucumbers. just curious do they eat kiwis?
today i gave them some carrtos. they ate a few tiny pieces but when a big piece landed in the lotus pot, all fishes came side by side, fin to fin approaching as a solid wall, slowly and cautiously toward the pot to inspect their strange new visitor Cheesy   
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Re: Help!!! gold fishes not eating
« Reply #17 on: May 08, 2012, 03:43:59 PM »

Oh one other thing that's just occurred to me Snow, how is your black moor coping?

I ask because I believe fancy goldfish don't do well in ponds as they can't deal with cooler temperatures come winter time. They're not really pond fish, unlike the other single tailed fish. Has he been okay during all this?
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Re: Help!!! gold fishes not eating
« Reply #18 on: May 08, 2012, 05:46:22 PM »

You should generally not feed fruit to goldfish too often, and if you do, do it the same day as you're changing out some water since fruits might meddle with the water quality and are a tad more messy than veggies.
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Re: Help!!! gold fishes not eating
« Reply #19 on: May 08, 2012, 09:25:47 PM »

i am in southern india and the winter temperatures-if we are lucky drops to a mere 26 degrees celsius form around 30-35 degrees and stays so for only a month or so. so it is not that cold in winter. but the black moor seems to be having a lot of fun swimming with the small school of goldies...
so the veggies they eat are peas carrots broccoli squash and maybe cucumbers? just to be sure.   
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Re: Help!!! gold fishes not eating
« Reply #20 on: May 09, 2012, 03:34:13 AM »

Yep! Later on you can try lettuce and stuff... lots of articles are available on the subject to do your own research... Smiley

Sounds like you have the ideal temperature for your goldfish, I keep my tanks at 26 degrees as well throughout the year... Smiley
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Re: Help!!! gold fishes not eating
« Reply #21 on: May 09, 2012, 05:47:36 AM »

today i gave them the peas raw and skinned. i broke it into pieces but as soon as it hit the bottom, they ignored it. then i tried cooked and boiled peas. this time i squashed it into a paste and dropped it in. this tme they ate it and did not spit it out. can they also eat raw peas or should it be boiled?
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Re: Help!!! gold fishes not eating
« Reply #22 on: May 09, 2012, 09:39:22 AM »

I use to buy frozen peas, defrost them and shell them. Maybe your fish like them a bit softer, so mashing them up works better for you? Smiley
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Re: Help!!! gold fishes not eating
« Reply #23 on: May 10, 2012, 02:03:41 AM »

today i gave them some rice. they seemed to like it...
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Re: Help!!! gold fishes not eating
« Reply #24 on: May 10, 2012, 03:36:33 AM »

Avoid rice, corn and the like, their digestive systems aren't meant to digest oatmeals at all!
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Re: Help!!! gold fishes not eating
« Reply #25 on: June 12, 2012, 05:41:23 AM »

hi guys sorry for not posting... school started so i was busy... anyway my goldies are in their tank(the 1m cube) and are growing and are quite happy. they have tripled in size and their color has developed Grin. they were eating put of my hand in the last days of my hols. i instructed my grandmother on how to feed them so they are enjoying peas,carrots and fish food Cheesy. there are also 2 baby common goldfish swimming around joining in with the adults Cheesy. tanks guys for your help. will keep  you all posted on their condition when i visit them in a few months...
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