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Jeremy
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HELP! Goldfish acts crazy at same time for about an hour or so everyday
« on: January 30, 2013, 04:34:04 PM »

I've been searching every where and nothing answers this question. My COMMON goldfish named Golden Homie that is the only fish in my 24" width by 12" depth by 21" height tank swims around crazy for an hour or so in the morning when I wake up and after that he is fine the rest of the day. I go to sleep at night, watch him for awhile and he sleeps just fine. When I wake up hes already at it sometimes waking me up so like I said, its about an hour or so from when I wake up and who knows how long before that. From what i've noticed it seems to be like he might be lonely because I swear hes looking at himself like its another goldfish and in my eyes, obviously going nuts with the reflection on the sides and back of tank cause he doesnt do it for the few seconds when he comes to the front of the tank. Any materials that I can use to block this reflection so I can test this theory? I'm off work right now for a few months so I test tank conditions every day, all levels are good and water is oxegenated and airated good. No ich signs either. I keep a clip on moonlight at the back of the tank tilted so it barely lights the tank which keeps him calm as I have tried plenty nights keeping it completely dark and he goes nuts the whole night. How do I know you ask? Cheap pair of kids nightvision binoculars and multiple all nighters, haha! I feed him pro gold which can be seen at goldfishconnection dot com as his staple twice a day, 5 minute meal soaked to soften and twice a week he gets some sort of vegetable (usually peas) thats cooked a little so I can soften it before I feed. Any ideas or facts with links would be greatly appreciated!

-Jeremy

25 gallon
Aquaclear 50 filter
 -sponge
 -carbon
 -biomax
1 Air stone
1 bubble wand
 -bubbles always on
Kept at constant 70 degrees farenheit
pH-7.4
Ammonia-0
Nitrite-0
Nitrate-10 ppm on average

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Skwishee
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Re: HELP! Goldfish acts crazy at same time for about an hour or so everyday
« Reply #1 on: January 31, 2013, 05:38:45 AM »

Hi Jeremy and welcome to the forum!

Sorry to hear you've been having problems your goldfish.

Okay firstly, goldfish cannot see their reflections in the tank, they see straight out Wink
It sounds like a nice little set-up you have, may I ask if you are aware of how big goldfish can grow? How big is Homie at the moment? Smiley

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The above image and article show you how big goldfish can get too Smiley

Generally common goldfish belong in ponds, once they reach around 5 - 6 inches. Now I'm going to assume your tank is at least 3 foot? So a stocking rule you could go by, is that the length of the tank needs to 6x the length of the fish. So with a 3 foot tank the maximum size a common goldfish can get is 6 inches, by which time you can either upgrade to a 6 foot tank (to accommodate him for his adult life) or you can build a pond (there are lots of alternatives to this such as an indoor pond or wooden tank) or re-home him to someone with a pond.

By all means have a think about what is best for your situation Smiley
I am in a very similar situation to yourself in fact! My goldfish Lucky didn't have the best start in life, she came from a fair (goodness knows how they keep them), then I kept her in a 21 litre tank until I realised my mistake and after a few months upgraded her to a 90 litre/3 foot tank. Because of her mishaps in the beginning she is now stunted and very much a runt in terms of her size, so I am keeping her until she is big enough to live in a pond (which at the moment is taking forever!). So I completely understand your situation Smiley

Now as for why the fish is acting nuts? When I had this happen before it was because there was a Nitrite spike in the tank, Lucky would swim up and down quite manically whilst staring out the glass (from our angle it does look like they can see their reflection) (she would also swim into the filter outlet), so I would have said Nitrites, but you don't have any readings of them in the tank.... Is there anything physically on the Homie? I'd also give him something chewy to eat and see if you can check his gills while he eats it, they should be a nice red colour Smiley There's something irritating him....

May I ask about your maintenance? How often do you do water changes and how much water do you take out?
I'm assuming you use a water conditioner?
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Re: HELP! Goldfish acts crazy at same time for about an hour or so everyday
« Reply #2 on: January 31, 2013, 04:45:50 PM »

I know they see straight out. When I say seeing the reflection he is looking from his side, rubbing its side against the glass like when there is 2 goldfish in a tank and they rub against each other and shaking around. Gills are fine and he is 4 inches long including tail. Water changes 25 % twice a week. And let me state again...He only does this for an hour or so at the same time every morning. I tested the theory last night, up all night until this morning. He starts this when I start moving around. First thing I do is turn on the light. He heads to the back of tank, does his rubbing and going crazy, does NOT go into filter flow like he needs oxygen then he stopped an hour and a half after. He wont start again until the same time the next day. If there is something wrong with water quality which I test all the time to make sure, he would be acting weird alot more than that hour or so in the morning so hopefully this happened with someone else on here so they can tell me exactly what they found out to solve this so I can get some rest, ugh!
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Re: HELP! Goldfish acts crazy at same time for about an hour or so everyday
« Reply #3 on: February 01, 2013, 02:52:47 AM »

Goldfish don't have eyelids(they sleep with their eyes open!), so turning the lights on will startle them. Try a soft room light first, then the main room light, followed by the tank light.
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Re: HELP! Goldfish acts crazy at same time for about an hour or so everyday
« Reply #4 on: February 01, 2013, 03:14:57 AM »

I do that too.
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Re: HELP! Goldfish acts crazy at same time for about an hour or so everyday
« Reply #5 on: February 01, 2013, 05:43:23 AM »

Ah sorry completely mis-understood what you meant about the reflection Smiley

Okay, so if his 4 inches that's fine for now Smiley An upgrade or re-home when he reaches about 6 inches would be fine, which ever is best for your situation Smiley

Hmmmmmm rubbing is generally caused by water quality or parasites... This website has some useful suggestions so maybe give it a read and see if it helps (Link is not visible to guests. Please register to view.)
If there's nothing visibly wrong.... is the fish rubbing any specific area of its body against the glass?
I'm wondering if it could be flukes? As these are only visible under a microscope.
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Re: HELP! Goldfish acts crazy at same time for about an hour or so everyday
« Reply #6 on: February 01, 2013, 09:39:41 AM »

One of mine will swim around like a mad man, and then go and hide if I wake him up, the other doesn't care. In the absence of visible parasites, and the water parameters being OK, it could be that your fish is not an early riser.

Goldfish are social creatures, but you really don't have the room for another in your tank.

You could try asking on the following site if any one has experienced this
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It's not a specialist goldie site, but does have a very active forum

 
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Re: HELP! Goldfish acts crazy at same time for about an hour or so everyday
« Reply #7 on: February 04, 2013, 01:46:40 AM »

Thanks for the input! Yeah, i'm actually looking into either a 60 by 18 by 20 or 72 by 20 by 18 tank right now and will purchase when I find the right deal so I can get another and find out if hes just lonely and one of the reasons im almost sure hes just bored or lonely is that he'll look to the side when hes swimming and I can see him eyeball a certain spot in the tank that I have a clip on led pointed at that aims towards the back of the tank between a few fake plants where the glass is visible, does this a couple times then goes to that exact spot and starts rubbing up against there. I was just gonna go with gut instincts about this being that i'm 80 percent positive but wether it be a goldfish or a child I study up on everything so I can provide my goldfish the best possible living conditions and treat him like a king.
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Re: HELP! Goldfish acts crazy at same time for about an hour or so everyday
« Reply #8 on: February 04, 2013, 06:06:40 AM »

Is the behaviour still just one particular moment of the day? The rubbing isn't continuous?

It's great to hear you can get a bigger tank Cheesy Something that's at least 6 foot, or if you can go bigger something that's within the region of 6.5 - 8 foot Smiley A tank that size will be suitable for Homie for the rest of his life and I'm sure you could keep another alongside him.

Also something you might want to consider, glass tanks are very expensive, you could always build a wooden tank, essentially it's like a very small raised pond that you have indoors, it might work out cheaper than a tank with a stand Smiley Plus you can build it to any dimensions you want.
I've considered making one when I have the space, but essentially you just need a sturdy framework, some wooden panels around the outside and then you can either line it with some basic pond liner and fill it up or there was an alternative, where you use fibreglass to water proof and strengthen the structure.
If you have a search around google you might find some other means of doing it, it's been a while since I researched this stuff Wink
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Re: HELP! Goldfish acts crazy at same time for about an hour or so everyday
« Reply #9 on: February 04, 2013, 06:37:49 PM »

Yep, same thing at the same time everyday. That's an awesome idea for an indoor pond but this time i'm going with a tank being it's gonna be set up in an office type are. Thanks alot for getting my brain going for the next project, haha!
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Re: HELP! Goldfish acts crazy at same time for about an hour or so everyday
« Reply #10 on: February 05, 2013, 05:20:48 AM »

Hmmm I would say for the moment, keep an eye on the behaviour and see if it changes when he's been upgraded.

Keep an eye on the gills, just check them every now and then, by giving him something chewy. You could medicate for flukes if you wanted, but the only way to be sure it's flukes is with a gill scraping and microscope. I would have also thought that if a fish was being irritated by such a thing, it would be continuous through the day or at some point his behaviour will decline and you'll know for sure something is up. But some people medicate for flukes as a precautionary measure, so that's entirely up to you.

I had a similar issue with Lucky, where she was gasping/feeding at the surface in her tank, people suggested it to be flukes to me, but in complete honesty she only does it in the mornings and she's been doing it for a year or so now, I'm pretty sure if she had flukes she wouldn't be happily swimming around the tank eating everything Wink
Some fish just have some weird habits.
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