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May 22, 2013, 01:23:05 PM
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toomanypets
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Clamped fins bottom sitting
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November 10, 2010, 12:13:56 PM »
Kissy is sick. She's sitting on the bottom of the tank & her fins are clamped. She hasnt eaten today & wont move from her spot
My filter went out night before last I realized it yesterday morning when I did weekly water change. Poor fishies in that nastiness for 8 hours (possibly). 50% water change again today & used a fungus tab. Hoping that does something for her. Any other suggestions?
Also wondering:: I got a bigger filter & set up in their tank ( filter is for a 60 g & their tank is only 40) wanting to get bacteria started in it b4 the big move to new home. Only let it run for 10 hours cause it did cause a good bit of current etc.. Could it have gotten their tank too clean? Cause too much current & exhaustion?
I ran the new filter for 10 hours then turned the old 1 back on & this was the night it went off while we were asleep.
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Mindemae
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Re: Clamped fins bottom sitting
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November 10, 2010, 01:31:58 PM »
Did you test your water for ammonia, nitrite , pH and nitrate levels before you did that big water change?
If it were me I wouldn't treat for a fungus unless I see there is one.
As far as filtration goes, it won't weaken a fish unless it is already weakened from stress.
I think testing your water is a big clue to what is going on.
Is it a new tank recently set up?
Your fish could be sick/poisoned from new tank syndrome, high spikes of ammonia or nitrites.
Please test your water and post the test results back here.
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Hanna
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Re: Clamped fins bottom sitting
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November 10, 2010, 05:25:31 PM »
Minde is right.
If a fish is sick or distressed, not normal acting, there is rule No 1: TEST THE WATER FOR AMMONIA, NITRITES, NITRATES AND pH
before doing anything like treating for an illness which may not be there.
We don't take antibiotics just to be on the safe side, because if they ARE needed they wouldn't work because certain microorganisms became resistent to it.
Get yourself a freshwater test kit (no strips please, as they are not accurate) like API MasterTestKit. And when you go to the store, grab a water sample and get it down there and have it tested ASAP. Please post the numerical results back on here
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toomanypets
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Re: Clamped fins bottom sitting
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November 10, 2010, 10:33:46 PM »
After reading it 500 times on THIS forum I don't see a 50% water change being considered BIG! With an over populated tank I MUST do water changes more frequently to prevent my fish dieing however it is normally only a 25% water change with a 50% for emergency such as Kissy being sick & if my levels are way off. I;m sure they're stressed lately with the more frequent water changes & mating(bullying) going on. Can not remember the #s from my a.m. water change today in the mayhem of trying to help my Kissy by changing water, looking online for answers & calling the Vet I forgot to record the parameters in my fish journal
I know the ammonia, & both the Ns were off. If the water was normal I wouldnt have changed it
I used the Fungus tab (1 tab=low dose) as a last resort as directed per Fishpert until she could check her out after hours. Happy to report it did something as she finally started swimming a little by evening
The final diagnosis was exhaustion from high currents in the tank & breeding & a touch of ammonia shock. Still not sure how in the world they doctor a fish but I feel much better now.
Finally made the move to the 60 g. tank tonight:) Introduced Kissy to it 1st & let her enjoy a half hour by herself. Silly girl didnt act sick at all , when the rest started joining her she quickly reverted to her clamped bottom sitting ways. I'm about to decide she's unsociable now. They seem happy at the moment & are enjoying all the room to swim. I was reminded to put the top on when Monster did a nice little flip. He cracked us up.
Stating NOW before its asked to save ya'll the time "reminding" 60 g has been cycled for over 6 weeks, parameter reading this evening PH- 7, Ammonia- 0, Nitrite- 0 ,Nitrate-1, GH- 250
Will be testing again each evening until I'm satisfied the tank will be good for all occupants
Thank ya'll for the concern of everyone's fishes.
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Hanna
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Re: Clamped fins bottom sitting
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November 11, 2010, 12:09:46 AM »
Some believe in 50% waterchanges, some don't.
My personal opinion: Do waterchanges according to your waterchemistry, sometimes it is more often, quite a few times per week.
But at the same time I recommend a regular waterchange which should be at least once a week. It MUST NOT be 50% each time, but it is recommended by quite a few aquarists. Others recommend 30%.
It also depends on the filter and filtermedia, on the population. Therefore testing is the most important, also knowing your fishies. They'll "tell" you straight away when sth is wrong.
Basically even for the most experienced aquarist keeping fish will always be a challenge and you'll never stop learning.
Glad to hear that Kissy is recovering and your waterchemistry is pristine
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Mindemae
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November 11, 2010, 12:24:36 AM »
I always test my water before adding anything and before doing any water changes too.
Your test results will tell you how big of a change or if any change is necessary.
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Nossie
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Re: Clamped fins bottom sitting
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November 11, 2010, 01:36:13 AM »
The ideal thing would be changing 50% twice a week, that way the water quality wouldn't deteriorate, but WHY change that much if it's good in the water tests anyway?
So I believe in the rule of 50% minimum (anything less for me won't make any difference either way...) but more if the nitrates are high.
But now, you moved the fish to the new tank, and I believe that it might have been smarter to let Kissy be alone in the new tank, just for a day or two
That way, not that it's any problem, you would make sure that the bio filter would be ready for the load of at least one fish, as far as I understand, it's been without fish during cycling, and unless you move maybe 2-3 fish at a time, the filter MAY become over loaded. But as long as things look good, you don't need to worry
These things are all precautions.
Keep an eye on Kissy though, you never know how weakened she got by the stress, so she could, in the worst case, get some bacterial/fungal infections.
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toomanypets
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Re: Clamped fins bottom sitting
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November 11, 2010, 03:44:00 PM »
Thanks again ya'll. Hectic day when your fish are ill. I apologize if I came across as crass my nerves were on end all day. Kissy is my fave sweet girl not sure I'd enjoy my fish without her. That's bad to say as I do love them all her sweet smile & bubble kiss in the morning make me have a much better day:) I'm hoping there'll be no more water issues now that the gang are in the proper size aquarium. fingers crossed it all stays good in there & we can have a normal biweekly cleaning. & not have to do any major water changes.
Yes Nossie you're correct tank was cycled fishless so if I understand correctly thats means I have at least another month of "laborious" water issues as it adjusts to accommodate changes due to fish waste? Unfortunately I've already gotten all 5 fish in the tank together so Kissy can't enjoy being alone. I think I may put her in a 10g by herself for awhile. I just need to rehouse some guppies so I can move her in.
It can get overwhelming reading all the conflicting information online & different pet suppliers don't know which way is up sometimes LOL. 1 thing like about this forum is the knowledge base available & folks that agree fish can communicate what their ailment is. I've gotten lots of good advice & ideas on this forum alone. Ms. Hanna has gotten me interested in planting some live plants too. Think I better get the hang of fishkeeping 1st though lol.
Hanna, thanks 4 calling my water pristine lol after the trouble I've had waiting on the bigger tank to cycle its nice to hear just once
Maybe we can keep it that way. When the mansion is finally complete I dont believe I'll be doing anymore 50% changes that's a LOT of toting buckets lol. Not sure which part of filter is the media but the new tank has a power filter with a triple action filter with carbon & bio- fiber. What pet supplier recommended for the 50 g.
Kissy update she was active this a.m. but after her afternoon snack she retreated to her little hole she's "dug" & has been sitting on the bottom since. No amount of encouragement will get her to come out either. My mother came by to see the new setup & thinks she's made a nest & is laying eggs. Not so sure about this.
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Nossie
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November 11, 2010, 04:06:09 PM »
I think it'll be just fine if you'll just be testing the water daily for a few days now
Change some of the water when needed!
And it would only be more stressful for Kissy (and for you) if you'd start moving her around now, so just leave them all be and you can move her to her own tank in case she'll be getting chased around again
(I love her name by the way!
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Bottom sitting can be caused by a number of things, since water quality is ruled out, she's probably just tired after being chased around by the others
I bet she'll be just fine with some rest!
Will you post photos of the new setup later?
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klari
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Re: Clamped fins bottom sitting
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November 11, 2010, 04:12:56 PM »
hi
my goldfish Ladybug was my favorite, she was up on top for days and started bottom sitting last night, but when others nugged her she went for a swim and eat to. but about 10 min ago she died
all my other fish look healthy and happy, she looked healthy no sign on her body. i will miss her so much
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Mindemae
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November 11, 2010, 04:42:08 PM »
So sorry you lost your fish.
Test your water...you might have to change some water out.
A dead fish can make an ammonia explosion in the tank and the bacteria will have trouble keeping up!
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Nossie
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November 12, 2010, 02:55:29 AM »
klari: I'm sorry for your loss :C Do you have a water test kit? Buy one if you don't, make sure it contains tests for pH, ammonia, nitrite and nitrate and use it whenever any of your fish are acting strange
How long have you had the tank up? How big is it, and how many fish?
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toomanypets
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Re: Clamped fins bottom sitting
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November 12, 2010, 11:44:21 AM »
Sorry you lost your Ladybug,Klari. Test your water again if you havent already. Could've been a water issue or perhaps she was exhausted . Have u done a current test? My Vet did 1 in my old tank & the current was much too strong for my gang. The power filters seem to be a problem in my area at least. Hope the rest of your fish continue to thrive. Big hug for you dear.
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toomanypets
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November 12, 2010, 12:17:09 PM »
Not the best pic in the world but wanted to show how I doubled up on stacking lol MTS u know gotta try to please the hubby some how so I put the small guppy tank under the goldfish living room tank
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toomanypets
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November 12, 2010, 12:36:10 PM »
pic of both tanks on new set up
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Nossie
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November 12, 2010, 04:07:25 PM »
I LOVE your guppy setup!
Wish I could have something as colorful and cute
And your little goldies look so cute in that tank!
Did you think about buying a background poster for your tank?
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Mindemae
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November 12, 2010, 06:27:34 PM »
That intake tube on the filter is way to high for the goldfish tank. Should be about 2 inches from your substrate or you will have alot of water quality issues to deal with. Do you have an extension for it?
Is that the only filter or do you have another one that I don't see for that tank?
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toomanypets
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November 13, 2010, 12:07:24 AM »
Thanks bunches Mindemae. U just saved me a dozen trips or more toting a bucket lol. I'll get an extender in the a.m. already planning on running to a fish store I just heard about that's 3 towns over YAH maybe we got a good mom & pop shop we'll see
Nossie, haven't thought to get a background yet. Changing the setup made me move to a different room lol the old tank had all my ceramic dolphins placed around it & no where to set them in here
Better add a poster to my list of goodies to get tomorrow. hmm looking over there now I have my framed dolphin scene hanging on the wall the tank's against wonder if I moved it down if it could serve as a nice view 4 them? Oh Nossie I forgot to tell u they LOVE the bloodworms never saw fish go so crazy over a treat b4 lol
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Nossie
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November 13, 2010, 04:35:40 AM »
That's so lovely!
It's great that your fish are so energetic!
Those posters aren't very expensive (I forgot how much mine cost...), and they will cover up any cables behind the tank
At the same time as giving the setup a more natural look
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