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toomanypets
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Clamped fins bottom sitting
« on: November 10, 2010, 12:13:56 PM »

Kissy is sick. She's sitting on the bottom of the tank & her fins are clamped.  She hasnt eaten today & wont  move from her spot Sad      My filter went out night before last  I realized it yesterday morning when I did weekly water change.  Poor fishies in that nastiness for 8 hours (possibly).    50% water change again today &  used a fungus tab.  Hoping that  does something for her.   Any other suggestions? 

Also wondering::  I got a bigger filter & set up in their tank  ( filter is for a 60 g & their tank is only 40)   wanting to get bacteria started in it b4  the big move to new home.   Only let it run for 10 hours cause  it did cause a good bit of current etc..    Could it have gotten their tank too clean?  Cause too much current & exhaustion?   

I ran the new filter for 10 hours then turned the old 1 back on & this was the night it went off while we were asleep.

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Re: Clamped fins bottom sitting
« Reply #1 on: November 10, 2010, 01:31:58 PM »

Did you test your water for ammonia, nitrite , pH and nitrate levels before you did that big water change?
If it were me I wouldn't treat for a fungus unless I see there is one.
As far as filtration goes, it won't weaken a fish unless it is already weakened from stress.
I think testing your water is a big clue to what is going on.
Is it a new tank recently set up?
Your fish could be sick/poisoned from new tank syndrome, high spikes of ammonia or nitrites.
Please test your water and post the test results back here. Smiley
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Re: Clamped fins bottom sitting
« Reply #2 on: November 10, 2010, 05:25:31 PM »

Minde is right.

If a fish is sick or distressed, not normal acting, there is rule No 1:  TEST THE WATER FOR AMMONIA, NITRITES, NITRATES AND pH
before doing anything like treating for an illness which may not be there.
We don't take antibiotics just to be on the safe side, because if they ARE needed they wouldn't work because certain microorganisms became resistent to it.

Get yourself a freshwater test kit (no strips please, as they are not accurate) like API MasterTestKit. And when you go to the store, grab a water sample and get it down there and have it tested ASAP. Please post the numerical results back on here Smiley
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Re: Clamped fins bottom sitting
« Reply #3 on: November 10, 2010, 10:33:46 PM »

After  reading it 500 times on THIS forum I don't see a 50% water change being considered BIG!    With  an over populated tank   I MUST do water changes more frequently to prevent my fish dieing  however it is normally only a 25% water change with a 50%   for emergency such as Kissy being sick &   if  my levels are way off.   I;m  sure they're stressed  lately with the more frequent water changes  &  mating(bullying) going on.   Can not remember  the #s from my  a.m. water change today   in the mayhem of  trying to help my Kissy  by changing water, looking online for answers & calling the Vet  I  forgot to record the parameters in my fish journal Sad    I know the ammonia, & both the Ns were off.  If the water was normal I wouldnt have changed it Smiley      I  used the Fungus tab (1 tab=low dose) as a last resort as directed  per  Fishpert until she could check  her out  after hours.      Happy to report  it did something as she finally started swimming a little by evening Smiley      The final diagnosis was exhaustion from  high currents in the tank & breeding   & a touch of ammonia shock.  Still not sure how in the world they doctor a fish  but I feel much better now. 

Finally made the move to the 60 g. tank  tonight:)     Introduced Kissy to it 1st & let her enjoy a half hour by herself.  Silly girl didnt act sick at all ,  when the  rest started joining her she quickly reverted to her clamped bottom sitting ways.  I'm about to decide she's unsociable now.   They seem happy at the moment & are enjoying all the room to swim.  I was reminded to  put the top on when Monster  did a nice little flip.   He cracked us up.

Stating NOW before its asked to save ya'll the time  "reminding"   60 g has been cycled for over 6 weeks,  parameter reading  this evening   PH-  7, Ammonia- 0, Nitrite- 0   ,Nitrate-1, GH- 250   
Will be testing again each evening until I'm satisfied  the tank  will be good for all occupants Smiley

Thank ya'll for the concern of everyone's fishes. 

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Re: Clamped fins bottom sitting
« Reply #4 on: November 11, 2010, 12:09:46 AM »

Some believe in 50% waterchanges, some don't.

My personal opinion: Do waterchanges according to your waterchemistry, sometimes it is more often, quite a few times per week.
But at the same time I recommend a regular waterchange which should be at least once a week. It MUST NOT be 50% each time, but it is recommended by quite a few aquarists. Others recommend 30%.

It also depends on the filter and filtermedia, on the population. Therefore testing is the most important, also knowing your fishies. They'll "tell" you straight away when sth is wrong.

Basically even for the most experienced aquarist keeping fish will always be a challenge and you'll never stop learning.

Glad to hear that Kissy is recovering and your waterchemistry is pristine  Smiley
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Re: Clamped fins bottom sitting
« Reply #5 on: November 11, 2010, 12:24:36 AM »

I always test my water before adding anything and before doing any water changes too.
Your test results will tell you how big of a change or if any change is necessary. Smiley
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Re: Clamped fins bottom sitting
« Reply #6 on: November 11, 2010, 01:36:13 AM »

The ideal thing would be changing 50% twice a week, that way the water quality wouldn't deteriorate, but WHY change that much if it's good in the water tests anyway? Smiley So I believe in the rule of 50% minimum (anything less for me won't make any difference either way...) but more if the nitrates are high.

But now, you moved the fish to the new tank, and I believe that it might have been smarter to let Kissy be alone in the new tank, just for a day or two Smiley That way, not that it's any problem, you would make sure that the bio filter would be ready for the load of at least one fish, as far as I understand, it's been without fish during cycling, and unless you move maybe 2-3 fish at a time, the filter MAY become over loaded. But as long as things look good, you don't need to worry Smiley These things are all precautions.

Keep an eye on Kissy though, you never know how weakened she got by the stress, so she could, in the worst case, get some bacterial/fungal infections.
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Re: Clamped fins bottom sitting
« Reply #7 on: November 11, 2010, 03:44:00 PM »

Thanks again ya'll.  Hectic day when your fish are ill.  I apologize if I came across as crass  my nerves were on end all day. Kissy is my fave sweet girl  not sure I'd enjoy my fish without her.  That's bad to say as I do love them all  her sweet smile &  bubble kiss in the morning make me have a much better day:) I'm hoping  there'll be no more water issues now that  the gang are in the proper size aquarium.     fingers crossed it all stays good in there & we can have a normal  biweekly  cleaning.  &  not have to do any major water changes.   

Yes Nossie you're correct  tank was cycled fishless   so if I understand correctly thats means I  have at least another month of  "laborious"  water  issues  as it adjusts to accommodate changes due to fish waste?    Unfortunately  I've already gotten all 5 fish in the tank together  so Kissy  can't enjoy being alone.    I think   I may  put her  in a 10g  by herself for awhile.  I just need to rehouse some guppies so I can move her in.

It can get overwhelming reading all the conflicting information online & different pet suppliers don't know which way is up  sometimes LOL.   1 thing  like about this forum  is the  knowledge base available  &  folks that  agree fish can communicate what their ailment is.    I've gotten lots of good advice &  ideas on this forum alone.   Ms. Hanna has gotten me interested in planting some live plants too.   Think I better get the hang of fishkeeping 1st though lol.

Hanna, thanks 4 calling my water pristine lol  after the trouble I've had waiting on the bigger tank to cycle its  nice to hear  just once Smiley     Maybe  we can keep it that way.    When the mansion is finally complete  I dont  believe I'll be doing anymore 50% changes that's a LOT of toting   buckets lol.   Not sure which part of filter is the media  but the new tank has a power filter with a triple action filter with carbon  & bio- fiber.   What  pet supplier recommended  for the 50 g.


Kissy update   she was  active this a.m. but  after her afternoon snack she retreated to her little hole she's "dug"  & has been sitting on the bottom since. No amount of encouragement will get her to come out either.   My  mother came by to see the new setup &  thinks she's made a nest & is laying eggs.  Not so sure about this.   
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Re: Clamped fins bottom sitting
« Reply #8 on: November 11, 2010, 04:06:09 PM »

I think it'll be just fine if you'll just be testing the water daily for a few days now Smiley Change some of the water when needed! Cheesy
And it would only be more stressful for Kissy (and for you) if you'd start moving her around now, so just leave them all be and you can move her to her own tank in case she'll be getting chased around again Smiley (I love her name by the way! Cheesy)

Bottom sitting can be caused by a number of things, since water quality is ruled out, she's probably just tired after being chased around by the others Smiley I bet she'll be just fine with some rest! Cheesy Will you post photos of the new setup later? Smiley
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Re: Clamped fins bottom sitting
« Reply #9 on: November 11, 2010, 04:12:56 PM »

hi
my goldfish Ladybug was my favorite, she was up on top for days and started bottom sitting last night, but when others nugged her she went for a swim and eat to. but about 10 min ago she died Embarrassed
all my other fish look healthy and happy, she looked healthy no sign on her body. i will miss her so much Cry Cry
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Re: Clamped fins bottom sitting
« Reply #10 on: November 11, 2010, 04:42:08 PM »

So sorry you lost your fish. Sad
Test your water...you might have to change some water out.
A dead fish can make an ammonia explosion in the tank and the bacteria will have trouble keeping up! Smiley
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Re: Clamped fins bottom sitting
« Reply #11 on: November 12, 2010, 02:55:29 AM »

klari: I'm sorry for your loss :C Do you have a water test kit? Buy one if you don't, make sure it contains tests for pH, ammonia, nitrite and nitrate and use it whenever any of your fish are acting strange Smiley
How long have you had the tank up? How big is it, and how many fish?
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Re: Clamped fins bottom sitting
« Reply #12 on: November 12, 2010, 11:44:21 AM »

Sorry you lost your Ladybug,Klari.    Test your water again if you havent already.   Could've been a water issue or perhaps  she was exhausted .   Have u done a current test?  My Vet did 1 in my old tank & the current was much too strong for my gang.  The power filters seem to  be a problem in my area at least.     Hope the rest of your fish continue to thrive.   Big hug  for you  dear.
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Re: Clamped fins bottom sitting
« Reply #13 on: November 12, 2010, 12:17:09 PM »

Not the best pic in the world  but wanted to show how I doubled up on  stacking  lol   MTS  u know  gotta try to please the hubby some how so I put the  small guppy tank under the goldfish living room tank Smiley
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Re: Clamped fins bottom sitting
« Reply #14 on: November 12, 2010, 12:36:10 PM »

pic of  both tanks on new set up
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Re: Clamped fins bottom sitting
« Reply #15 on: November 12, 2010, 04:07:25 PM »

I LOVE your guppy setup! Cheesy Wish I could have something as colorful and cute Smiley
And your little goldies look so cute in that tank! Smiley Did you think about buying a background poster for your tank? Smiley
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Re: Clamped fins bottom sitting
« Reply #16 on: November 12, 2010, 06:27:34 PM »

That intake tube on the filter is way to high for the goldfish tank.  Should be about 2 inches from your substrate or you will have alot of water quality issues to deal with.  Do you have an extension for it? Smiley 
Is that the only filter or do you have another one that I don't see for that tank?
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Re: Clamped fins bottom sitting
« Reply #17 on: November 13, 2010, 12:07:24 AM »

Thanks bunches Mindemae. U just saved me a dozen trips or more toting a bucket lol.   I'll get an extender in the a.m. already  planning on running to a fish store I just heard about   that's 3 towns over YAH  maybe we got a  good mom & pop shop  we'll see Smiley     
Nossie, haven't  thought to get a background yet.  Changing the setup  made me move to a different room  lol  the  old tank had all my ceramic dolphins  placed around it  & no where to set them in here Sad     Better add  a poster to my list of goodies to get tomorrow.  hmm looking over there now I have  my framed dolphin scene hanging on the wall the tank's against  wonder if I moved it down if it  could serve as a nice view 4 them?   Oh Nossie I forgot to tell u  they LOVE  the bloodworms  never saw fish go so crazy over a treat b4 lol 
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Re: Clamped fins bottom sitting
« Reply #18 on: November 13, 2010, 04:35:40 AM »

That's so lovely! Smiley It's great that your fish are so energetic! Cheesy
Those posters aren't very expensive (I forgot how much mine cost...), and they will cover up any cables behind the tank Smiley At the same time as giving the setup a more natural look Smiley
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