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johnjonbojohn
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White Bump on Head
« on: December 02, 2010, 06:53:20 PM »

Hello,
My Golf Fantail, Herbert, has a large white bump on the top of his head.  I was wondering how I could get rid of it?

I have had him for roughly a year and he started getting the bump about 5 months ago.  It started out as a small bump and has grown to be quite large (see picture). 

At first I was not very concerned as he still is eating, swimming, and going to the bathroom normally.  I have always wondered what it was but still have yet to find something similar to what he has.  I had saw somewhere that it could be a 'wen' but then I saw in another post that Fantails to not get 'wens'. 

He is in a 5 gallon tank with two other smaller fish.  The tank has been set up for about 10 months with the two smaller fish being added about 3 months ago.  I typically do a complete water change about once a month and completely clean everything (rocks, decorations, and glass) in really hot water. 

Any help would be appreciated!!
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Katarine
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Re: White Bump on Head
« Reply #1 on: December 02, 2010, 07:00:48 PM »

First off: A Five gallon tank is WAY too small for THREE FISH! Its too small for one! I suggest you get a proper tank (at least 40 gallons)

Second: What are your water parameters, what is your filter like... etc. We need numbers to work with.

The white spot is probably a fungus, but it could develop into something much much worse if you do not get adequate houseing for your fish.
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Re: White Bump on Head
« Reply #2 on: December 02, 2010, 07:09:18 PM »

Hi Jon and welcome. I'm fairly new to this forum and am not entirely certain what your lovely goldie has happening here in this photo. First of all what everyone on here does when presented with a query such as yours is to find out all the details of your tank and current test results ie: ammonia, pH, nitrites, nitrates, temp and so on. Thank  you for providing the size of your tank - unfortunately it is way to small for this amount of fish. If you could post all your water test values, we can go from there. As for an immediate treatment some other more proficient forum members will post their thoughts and suggestions shortly. You've come to a great place for helpful information so be prepared for lots of questions Cheesy
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Re: White Bump on Head
« Reply #3 on: December 02, 2010, 07:14:59 PM »

Never mind. Maybe its not a fungus... I still need water parameters. If you don't have a test kit, I suggest you get one, and quickly.

No it's not a wen, it looks like a giant pimple. I will do some research and see if I can find a problem.
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Re: White Bump on Head
« Reply #4 on: December 02, 2010, 07:16:51 PM »

Hello,
What would a good water testing kit be?  I did have a problem with ammonia in my old tank (black turning fins) but I turned that around within a day or two with stress coat.  I'm in a smaller town and don't have access to anything besides a Walmart.  I have fungus medicine as a "drop in" tablet that I bought when I got the tank.  Would that be ok to put in there for the time being to see if it changes?
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Re: White Bump on Head
« Reply #5 on: December 02, 2010, 07:22:49 PM »

You need to monitor the quality of your water. Nitrates and Nitrites and ammonia AND pH. If any of these get out of control it could mean more problems for your fish.

A water test kit also determines how much water you change per week (you do do water changes, dont you?). If you change too much, you'll wreck the balance of your biological ecosystem. on the other hand, if you change too little, ammonia, nitrates and nitrites will fall out of balance, and cause problems

About your fish. It looks like a tumour.



I'm also adding a picture that further proves my thesis.
I very strongly suggest you get a bigger tank and a test kit. I cannot possibly stress that enough.

Also, if thhere are any abnormal behaiviours with your fish, please let us know
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Re: White Bump on Head
« Reply #6 on: December 02, 2010, 07:27:10 PM »

Thank you,
I was looking too and saw somewhere that said tumor as well.  Sad 

Yes I do water changes.  I completely change the water once a month and normally replace about half the water every 2 weeks.  Being as its a smaller tank (since I have no room for a larger tank) I try to keep the water as clean as possible.
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Re: White Bump on Head
« Reply #7 on: December 02, 2010, 07:29:55 PM »

I hear you on that one..

I know what its like to not have room for a larger tank. But its a necessity, i'm afraid. When you get the space, Get a larger tank, You will really notice a difference.

One more thing, Don't change all the water at once. change about half, because, as you said, it's a smaller tank.

You still need to keep some bacteria that has established in your tank, otherwise you increase your fish's risk for contracting a disease from stress or an unknown contaminant in the water
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Re: White Bump on Head
« Reply #8 on: December 02, 2010, 07:31:07 PM »

I don't know if there is anything you can do for this.
It might be a viral cyst or a tumour is my best guess. Undecided
You really should be testing your water and the test kit I recommend is the API Master test kit.
It is a liquid and more reliable than the test strips.
If you cannot get that, see if Walmart has test strips at least.  I think I remember seeing them there.
OR take a water sample in to your pet store. Smiley
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Re: White Bump on Head
« Reply #9 on: December 02, 2010, 07:34:15 PM »

Yes, I now think it is a tumor.  This person "operated" and got rid of one on a betta though.
 
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Thoughts??
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Katarine
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Re: White Bump on Head
« Reply #10 on: December 02, 2010, 07:36:35 PM »

dont risk it. Operating without some training, even on fish, will cause them more stress than having the tumor on. It will cause the fish to die slowly and painfully. You can try to take it to a vet, see if they will try to remove it. My hopes arent high though
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Re: White Bump on Head
« Reply #11 on: December 02, 2010, 07:38:56 PM »

Ugh, you could try to remove it but I would have a vet do it. Or just let the fish live out it's life best as it can with it. Smiley
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Re: White Bump on Head
« Reply #12 on: December 02, 2010, 07:41:29 PM »

Oh I most definately couldn't stomach operating on it.  I would do the vet route but then again the fish only cost about $3.  I'll just continue to enjoy him as he is.  He hasn't acted any diffrently since he got it.  Its probably bothering me more than him. 
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Re: White Bump on Head
« Reply #13 on: December 02, 2010, 07:55:07 PM »

... It saddens me to hear you say that, but.. Asi la vida, that's life. Smiley I wish you luck on your future fish endeavours
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Re: White Bump on Head
« Reply #14 on: December 03, 2010, 05:46:28 AM »

Hi John, welcome to the forum.
Did you read the "sticky": (Link is not visible to guests. Please register to view.)

Anyway, according to what you posted in your first post I have to say the following:

1. 5 gal far too small: you need 10 gal per goldfish at least.
2. Waterchange once a month is far to less: ( especially with 3 fish in a 5 gal tank ! ) Minimum once a week, in your case minimum   
    twice. NEVER do a complete waterchange. Do 50%
3. NEVER clean your ornaments, filter, etc in hot water and scrub it. Rinse it in "old " tankwater and brush it off.

With doing complete waterchanges and scrubbing everything in hot water you regularly destroy the beneficial bacteria which are so important for the Nitrogen Cycle.

Get yourself the API MasterTestKit for freshwater ASAP. Test for Ammonia, Nitrite, Nitrate and pH. Post the numerical results asap please.

Do you use a water conditioner like Prime AND beneficial bacteria like Stability?

As I mentioned in the "sticky" 99% of illnesses come from poor waterquality. I understand that you believed that you've done the best for your fishies, but you've done wrong, unfortunately... sad that you didn't find us earlier, when the white grow was small.
Regardless, please get your water quality right asap.
The grow might go away, as it has very regular edges I don't think it is a tumor but it might be. Don't touch it please. Try and treat with Pimafix and Melafix. Try to find a vet specialized in ornamental fish.

Good Luck and keep us updated
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Re: White Bump on Head
« Reply #15 on: December 03, 2010, 06:41:21 AM »

The white lump looks quite natural, like on a pearlscale...could be a mutated one.
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Re: White Bump on Head
« Reply #16 on: December 03, 2010, 11:16:48 AM »

It's simply a tumor, yeps Smiley But... I am quite concerned about your other fish... this maintenance schedule of yours isn't healthy at all... you should really start changing the water more often, minimum once a week! And I say... don't keep the fish there for more than a year if you must. Give some of them away, or buy a larger tank, they won't be feeling good in there unfortunately Undecided
Think 10 gallons for ONE goldfish, you do the maths Wink

Try finding a test kit containing tests for pH, ammonia, nitrite and nitrate, you'll need it!!
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Re: White Bump on Head
« Reply #17 on: December 10, 2010, 07:37:24 PM »

An update:  I have just done a partial water change (as was suggested) and have now got a calendar with clear marked dates to change the water every Sunday. 
Anyway, the bump on Herbert's head has gotten a small red streak on it, so I'm not sure what that is, but he is continuing to eat and swim regurarly.   Smiley
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Re: White Bump on Head
« Reply #18 on: December 10, 2010, 07:40:26 PM »

You know, it wouldn't hurt to put a tablespoon of aquarium salt in your tank and treat with melafix for a few days. Smiley
See if there is any change at all. Wink
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Re: White Bump on Head
« Reply #19 on: December 11, 2010, 05:13:07 AM »

Sounds good Smiley By the way, salt treatment and warming the water slightly may sometimes shrink tumors! You could try installing a heater if you have one, and raise the temp to maybe 2-3 degrees warmer than usual Smiley

Dissolve the salt in a little container with some water from the tank before you add it!! Remember to follow the dosage on the package!
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