blondie
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Help my red cap is very sick pet shops are no help.
« on: January 23, 2011, 06:02:31 PM » |
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1. How big is your tank: Gal / litres 30gal
2. For how long has the tank been set up: 2yrs
3. How many fish:2
4. What kinf of fish:gold fish and red cap oranda
5. What are the water parameters: We just changed the water today so don't know what it was before. Can test later.
Ammonia..........25 ppm Nitrite.............. 0 ppm Nitrate..............0ppm pH....................76....... Temp..68-78.............degrees Celsius / Fahrenheit
6. How often do you perform water changes: 1 x month
7. How big are your waterchanges: ...........80-90..........%
8. What kind of waterconditioner are you using: using filtered water
9. Do you add beneficial bacteria: no??
10. Symptoms your fish is showing: red cap only has growth on eye and head is discolored and irregular (even for a red cap) Tail fin was the first thing we noticed looked like it was disolving, that is why we thought tail rot. That occurred about a year ago and we thought it was just going to take time to grow back but now she is getting worse.
11. Since when does your fish show these symptoms: 1 yr but has gotten much worst. We have as several pet shops and treated fish for fin and tail rot as they suggested 4 or 5 times with no change. No one at the pet shops can help we have tried everything they said til we were afraid to over med too much.
12. How is the normal behaviour of your fish: stays at bottom and sleeps all the time. Just gets excited when we come to tank and talk to her. then she goes up and down like she is trying to go to top.
13. How do the other fish behave: normal
14. Post pics of the sick fish:yes
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Mindemae
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Re: Help my red cap is very sick pet shops are no help.
« Reply #13 on: January 24, 2011, 09:34:48 AM » |
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Yes, I was responding directly to Blondie and not to you April. I didn't even read your responce until after I posted. Sorry...  Blondie, I still think the fish has suffered long enough. A vet would be qualified to make the decision. I do think injections of maybe Baytril are in order. But with ammonia in your tank, no amount of treatment will save your fish. You have to get the water quality pristine before you have even a slight chance of saving your fish. 
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Re: Help my red cap is very sick pet shops are no help.
« Reply #14 on: January 24, 2011, 09:51:16 AM » |
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How are you changing that much water at a time? Are you leaving your fish in the tank during the process, or do you just empty the whole tank and clean it thoroughly? The best thing you can do about the ammonia is to start changing about 40% every week, and testing the parameters every day! If you notice the ammonia slowly going away being replaced by nitrite, you're on the right route  However, this fish doesn't look very healthy at all, I'd definitely bring it to have some of the wen removed, it's growing far too big. And the fin rot seems to have developed quite badly, so you really need to start working on getting the water in order so that you can start treating asap...! If you have a cycled quarantine tank, that would be ideal!
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blondie
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Re: Help my red cap is very sick pet shops are no help.
« Reply #15 on: January 24, 2011, 11:16:38 AM » |
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Thanks for everyone's advice!! I did get buy a tesing kit unfortunealy befor e I saw the Walmart blog...so I propbabley paid more at the pet store 32.00?? I posted the results maybe they do not show up? But since we had just changed the water I am not sure it is conclusive...or?? Everything was 0 except ammonia .25. The fish are my husbands and he has been taking care of them and Yes Nossie he does leave the fish in while he drains water with a suction hose. He suctions through the rocks to remove the gross stuff settled there. So to recap for now we should do 40% water changes 1 time a week. Get the water stabilized. Then treat for fungus and fin rot? I think the fin rot has gone she just lost alot of fin when she had it. They actually seem to be growing back now. She had a wen (didn't know that name til today) about 1 month ago and it just fell off but looks like it grew back, it is in the same place? We can't take her to a "specialist". Aprils gave great advise on the medication?? Are we all in agreement here??
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blondie
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Re: Help my red cap is very sick pet shops are no help.
« Reply #16 on: January 24, 2011, 11:26:57 AM » |
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Oh also I could never put her down. If you would see how excited she gets when we come near the tank she is a happy fish even when she is sick. This is why all the pics are blurred she swims all around when we are nearby. She has always had some bladder problems that is very typical for rec caps but when I give her the peas that takes care of that. It got so bad a couple years ago that she could only swim upside down, it was so sad but the pet shore once again had no answers to I found out about the peas online too. We have had her about 4 yrs.
Thanks to all who helped me and made suggestions!!!
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blondie
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Re: Help my red cap is very sick pet shops are no help.
« Reply #17 on: January 24, 2011, 11:30:54 AM » |
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Oh one more thing when we do the 40% water change should we take the fish out of the tank or just take them out when we do the suction cleaning??
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April
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Re: Help my red cap is very sick pet shops are no help.
« Reply #19 on: January 24, 2011, 02:09:39 PM » |
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Yes, I was responding directly to Blondie and not to you April. I didn't even read your responce until after I posted. Sorry...  You don't have to be sorry Minde. I took it personally when I shouldn't have. As I said in the PM a lot going on the last 24 hrs. Still this is no excuse for me acting like a fool. I'm sorry to everyone. Thanks Andrea for saying that - very sweet of you ♥ Bottom line I really hope this lovely fish will pull through, such a shame he is so ill.
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Re: Help my red cap is very sick pet shops are no help.
« Reply #21 on: January 24, 2011, 05:16:25 PM » |
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OK, gals, now that I am awake again and I seen what happened on here during the night, LOL, I want to put my 2 cents in too. First, Blondie, welcome to the forum. Thanks for answering the questions. According to the answers the following is wrong: 6. How often do you perform water changes: 1 x month Should be done weekly 40-50%, also according to test results7. How big are your waterchanges: ...........80-90..........% Waterchanges should be done according to test results AND once a week, we recommend up to 50% 8. What kind of waterconditioner are you using: using filtered water using filtered water is not enough. You should use water out of the tap adding water conditioner like PRIME according to instructions. Conditioners remove chlorine, chloramine, heavy metals, Prime also detoxifies Ammonia. You can use the water straight awayAccording to filtered water: April used to use it too, and always had Ammonia readings. Until I asked her to test for Ammonia straight out of the tap without being filtered AND the filtered water. It showed that the tap water didnt have Ammonia BUT the filtered water DID....9. Do you add beneficial bacteria: no?? Beneficial bacteria are essential to speed up the Nitrogen Cycle. They are bacteria which convert highly toxic Ammonia into Nitrite which is stil very toxic and Nitrite to Nitrate which is toxic at levels of 40ppm and above.All illnesses come from poor water conditions. Only because the water looks nice and clear, it must not be the case. Therefore testing is essential. Tests should be performed on a regular basis, at least once a week. The results also show at which stage the cycle is. In your case, changing the water once a month 80-90% your tank NEVER had a chance to cycle. This is the main reason for your fishie to develop fin rot. In early stages ( about one year ago) you would have been able to treat with Pimafix and Melafix and the fins would have been back to normal in a few days. Providing to have pristine water conditions - which you obviously don't have according to the wrong maintenance, otherwise the treatment would have worked out. SORRY YOU WAITED FOR SO LONG TO SEEK FOR HELP  Now you may need stronger med and here is the question if the fish will survive the stronger treatment after being sick for over a year now  The other thing is the overgrown wen, as already mentioned. This is sth to put in hands of an EXPERIENCED fishkeeper or even VET to remove excess growth. And treat for the other grow over the eye. Hard to tell what it is... According to your test results in your first post: Ammonia: is it 25 ppm or 0.25 ppm. Looks to me as the first is the case, just want to be sure. Either way, it shows that your tank is not cycled at all, never has been with waterchanges that big once a month and no beneficial bacteria ( Primary reason for sick fish )In future, please do 40-50% waterchanges weekly, add beneficial bacteria ( Stability ) and conditioner (Prime) both from SEACHEM. ( Also other brands available ) You can leave your fish in the tank while doing waterchanges. At this stage you may want to do waterchanges twice a week to get things up and running properly, following the advice on the bottles too. HOPE THIS HELPS A BIT TOO
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blondie
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Re: Help my red cap is very sick pet shops are no help.
« Reply #22 on: January 24, 2011, 06:35:51 PM » |
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Thanks and yes it was .25 test was light yellow with a slight tint of green. ??
Thanks again for all the great advise. And for the record we did take the water to the pet shop several times and they said it was in normal range and we did treat with Melafix many many times. I am just not sure these kids at the petshop knew what they were talking about. or if the water was tested properly. I worked at a pet shop for about 5 years thru high school and college and I never recieved any information on sick fish. I knew what ick was and that was about it. That is because our fish there got it.
So to everyone maybe a petshop is not the best place to find out. this forum looks like a much better solution.
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