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Elliriyanna
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Re: Is something wrong with my fish?
« Reply #30 on: August 02, 2010, 08:38:29 PM »

well its about time to change the filter so i could put the old filter in under the new tanks substrate ... but what about the fin rot? Its been treated but is there still a risk?
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Re: Is something wrong with my fish?
« Reply #31 on: August 03, 2010, 04:21:56 AM »

There might be a risk, but if you're not sure, you could treat the new fish with melafix once you introduce him Smiley That should do the trick! Wink Since most fish are weakened by stress when they move to a new home, it's good to feed them a diet rich on c-vitamin for their immune system, or to use natural meds like melafix, that doesn't interfere with the bacteria in the tank Smiley
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Re: Is something wrong with my fish?
« Reply #32 on: August 03, 2010, 07:13:36 AM »

well with the old filter under the new substrate will my tank be instantly cycled? Or just test it and see how the parameters look? And how much Melafix do I add? like two or three drops for a one gallon?

And the water conditioner I have has a stress coat.

So far I have betta food ( pellets, flakes, and sundried shrimp) the tank with filter and light aand air stone, The test kit, A brine shrimp net ( works so well for a betta) water conditioner, Melafix, a fake plant ( they like to sleep on it lol) a few real plants, thats all i can think of right now ... do i need anything else?

The water in the goldfish tank never falls under 72 ... so until i can find a tiny heater the betta should be fine.
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Re: Is something wrong with my fish?
« Reply #33 on: August 03, 2010, 02:43:00 PM »

Any tank WILL NOT EVER be instantly cycled. It always takes a while for a good amount of beneficial bacteria to establish. So even by adding substrate/water from an established system, it will only speed up the process a bit at most. It's a safer method though than adding fish right away Smiley
And I wouldn't put filter media under the gravel, I can't help but imagine it being a mess, so I would rather take some water from your goldfish tank and put that into the betta's home. Then you can monitor the water quality, and you'll have a nice starting point! There you do the same, regular water changes. And once the tank's cycled, you can add your betta along with melafix Smiley
I don't know how to dose melafix, but it should say somewhere on the bottle something like "x drops/ x ml per x gallons of water" Then you can easily calculate the correct amount if it says for example "5ml per 3 gallons" by dividing the amount by three. There you have dosage for one gallon! Cheesy

I say your betta will be delighted! Most people simply put them in a bowl (which they easily survive as well) without heater/filtration. This is possible because bettas have a labyrinth organ that allows them to breathe air right from the surface, as they live in shallow, muddy pools of water in nature. Just like guramis, they're a part of the family Anabantoids. So if your air stone will take too much space, you can easily leave it out Wink
I'd say you'd be fine even without the heater d: It usually doesn't get very cold indoors.
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Re: Is something wrong with my fish?
« Reply #34 on: August 03, 2010, 04:46:42 PM »

Please don't put the old filter under the gravel, just as Nossie said.
I thought to use some floss, etc of it to put into the other filter for a while.
Or, as Nossie mentioned, this is a good thing too, to use some water from the old tank.

Your betta will be fine...  Grin
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Re: Is something wrong with my fish?
« Reply #35 on: August 04, 2010, 08:11:20 PM »

actually suprisingly the media isnt a mess at all .. and its a biobag filter in the first tank and a UG filter in the one gallon ( which I am not establishing yet)

And it'd be 1/10 of a teaspoon ... how do i measure that?

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Re: Is something wrong with my fish?
« Reply #36 on: August 05, 2010, 05:32:31 AM »

That sounds tricky, I don't know the US measuring units, so I wouldn't know what's equivalent to a tenth of a teaspoon :'D
Maybe a few ounces? Or no?
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Re: Is something wrong with my fish?
« Reply #37 on: August 05, 2010, 10:31:52 AM »

1 Teaspoon [US] = 4.9289 milliliter

and its much less than an ounce. The entire bottle is 8 ounces lol
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Re: Is something wrong with my fish?
« Reply #38 on: August 05, 2010, 12:33:51 PM »

Do they say how many DROPS to use instead 1/10 of a teaspoon?
Maybe you can use a syringe? Wink
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Re: Is something wrong with my fish?
« Reply #39 on: August 05, 2010, 03:08:58 PM »

no it doesnt but 1/2 a ml should be good so yeah a syringe ... But i cant set up the tank yet. I want to get my first tank set up right before I go through cycling again with a new tank and buddy Smiley
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Re: Is something wrong with my fish?
« Reply #40 on: August 06, 2010, 04:33:41 AM »

Lol, told you I have no idea how you measure stuff in the States! xD
Glad you figured it out though Smiley
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Re: Is something wrong with my fish?
« Reply #41 on: August 06, 2010, 07:10:33 AM »

Lol Its fine Smiley what country are you in?

And I retested this morning. Ammonia .25 ... I cant get it to come down Sad
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Re: Is something wrong with my fish?
« Reply #42 on: August 06, 2010, 07:50:38 PM »

I just got Amquel plus  for the goldfish tank so tomorrow hopefully everything will be better Smiley
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Re: Is something wrong with my fish?
« Reply #43 on: August 07, 2010, 08:12:03 AM »

I'm from Finland c: So I mainly use European measurements, but I'm used to thinking in gallons and inches lately d:
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Re: Is something wrong with my fish?
« Reply #44 on: August 07, 2010, 08:56:24 AM »

My ammonia is .50 ... I even used amquel the ammonia just wont come down even with the water changes ... I'll buy a bigger filter when I can. But for now what can I do?

And thats cool Smiley whats finland like?
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Re: Is something wrong with my fish?
« Reply #45 on: August 07, 2010, 06:21:24 PM »

Hi Elli,

keep doing waterchanges and add plenty of beneficial bacteria.

The detoxifier you use will not remove the ammonia, etc. It only makes it non toxic for your fishies.
So you will have readings of it.

Ahhh, yes and there are U.S gallons and U.K gallons, I am always confused using gallons.
I just love our litres, LOL, but I started to get used to inches slowly, haha
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Re: Is something wrong with my fish?
« Reply #46 on: August 08, 2010, 06:21:23 AM »

Finland is like a nice country that isn't too hot most of the time ;> And I love the winters, it's so cold that all my hair freezes, and that looks just awesome! Not to mention that it's quite clean and tranquil around Cheesy Lots and lots of forests and lakes too Cheesy
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Re: Is something wrong with my fish?
« Reply #47 on: August 08, 2010, 08:21:44 AM »

i like warm lol And lakes and I LOVE the ocean Smiley

And it says *removes* The others said detoxifies ... mean lying bottle lol
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Re: Is something wrong with my fish?
« Reply #48 on: August 08, 2010, 04:12:29 PM »

I can't stand heat, really, ANY heat. I go completely berserk in that xD
So I prefer -30 degrees before +30 d:
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Re: Is something wrong with my fish?
« Reply #49 on: August 08, 2010, 06:26:09 PM »

LOL I love extremely hot but it seems lately my body is changing and likes cold .. makes no sense to me
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Re: Is something wrong with my fish?
« Reply #50 on: August 09, 2010, 03:25:42 AM »

When I was younger I was swimming in water that's like 15 degrees, for at least half an hour (I loved swimming) But now I can barely handle 18! That's a bit sad to me! Have I grown sensitive? Huh Nuuu! Dx
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Re: Is something wrong with my fish?
« Reply #51 on: August 09, 2010, 04:24:01 AM »

Photos say so much.  Observations I make from seeing your set up are as follows.
1.  The large glass pebbles will let sinking food fall out of reach from the fish where it will go rotten and grow bacteria contributing to pollution problems. Sand or fine gravel that the fish can pick up, clean/eat and spit out is more natural. Also fine gravel has a larger surface area than large pebbles which means a larger biological system and a greater amount of lower form algae on the gravel that the fish can pick at.

2. The water is so clear it seems cloudy white not even the slightest tinge of green or crystal clear pond type water.  I think you have chemicals in the water which are not required and making too many water changes.

3.  The live plants in the tank are very few and looks to be Egeria which goldfish will not touch even if starving. Live plants in a tank will feed on lower plant forms (i.e. suspended microscopic algae, pea green water) by filtering. Floating Duckweed is one plant which goldfish love to eat and it's very healthy for the fish.

4.  Goldfish are a very strong fish, naturally liking murky water and easily tolerate low oxygen levels.  I would change the gravel and let the water age. Let the natural system kick in.
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Re: Is something wrong with my fish?
« Reply #52 on: August 09, 2010, 08:16:13 AM »

I added gravel overtop of the marbles.

 And The only chemicals are detoxifier ... And at the time melafix. I was told to do every other day water changes which i have been doing.

the plant in the tank is anacharis from what i was told. And I just got more plants yesterday so it looks much better. Tank is no longer cloudy

The goldfish are being rehomed so its becoming a betta tank when i fix ammonia
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Re: Is something wrong with my fish?
« Reply #53 on: August 10, 2010, 03:31:06 AM »

I'm not sure if it's a very good idea to put gravel on top of the marbles. The dirt will be trapped there for sure now.
So if I was you, I wouldn't add the gravel until the goldfish are out, and you could clean the tank thoroughly to get rid of all the waste hidden in the glass pebbles. Then you could keep a few of the pebbles on top of the gravel as some decorations or something d:

Ah, and the plant is Elodea btw. Commonly called Canadian pond weed Wink
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Re: Is something wrong with my fish?
« Reply #54 on: August 10, 2010, 04:39:34 AM »

Yes, it is Elodea, our goldies just eat it up, lol Wink
And as Nossie mentioned, first the gravel, then some few pebbles as deco
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Re: Is something wrong with my fish?
« Reply #55 on: August 10, 2010, 11:14:31 AM »

my goldfish wont touch it. And I dont like the marbles at all ... Plus I dont want to waste all this cycling by emptying the tank and redoing everything. Is there another way to get all the poop out? I dont have a gravel vacuum yet.

I looked up pictures and its anacharis ... I'm so confused Sad They nibble at it but dont overly seem interested
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Re: Is something wrong with my fish?
« Reply #56 on: August 11, 2010, 04:29:33 AM »

You wouldn't waste the cycle, the filter will still contain some beneficial bacteria. Besides, if you still struggle with ammonia, there is probably not too much of cycling doing on right now anyway. The best way to get rid of all the waste, is to simply clean out the tank! It shouldn't be a problem Smiley

Elodea and Anacharis are two names of the very same plant ;> Like I said, it's commonly called Canadian pondweed. And your fish are probably too small to want to eat it for now. It was similar with mine (but another plant) that they didn't want to touch it the first two months, and all of a sudden, it was nothing but stalks left of the plant! And tiny pieces of leaves floating about. They were pulling it like hungry dogs so I tried to give them lettuce but they didn't want :C
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Re: Is something wrong with my fish?
« Reply #57 on: August 11, 2010, 04:50:35 AM »

Yep, Anacharis, Elodea, it's the same thing.... haha like "hungry dogs" lol.... I had 2 lovely lush bunches of Ambulia and they chomped it down to the stumps and pulled on it like a starving lot of hungry LIONS.... Grin. Almost nothing left after only ONE week.
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Re: Is something wrong with my fish?
« Reply #58 on: August 11, 2010, 08:47:27 AM »

OH wow .... I'm glad bettas are carnivorous lol I dont want everything munched. Um ammonia in the goldfish tank has come down a lot since they have been fasting.


Tatsu's tank ammonia nitrite and nitrate are all reading zero ... Odd since the tank has been established three days. And we have ammonia in the tap water here .... 
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