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Nossie
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Re: Help please for Onyx!
« Reply #30 on: September 09, 2011, 02:57:57 AM »

I guess we did... still wish I had a syringe and some antibiotics... D8 (or at least a vet that was willing to help Grin)
Thanks, both of you Smiley
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Re: Help please for Onyx!
« Reply #31 on: September 09, 2011, 05:37:59 AM »

Nossie what other fish did you buy with Berry and Horus?
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Re: Help please for Onyx!
« Reply #32 on: September 09, 2011, 07:14:25 AM »

The first time I visited, I bought Berry and Claymore, quarantined them until they were healthy Smiley
Shortly after I went to the shop to choose a cute golden oranda, which I did, and the owner separated him into another tank so they'd know which one's mine. when I came to get him, they had put a big bunch of black koi with him, resulting in the koi almost eating him up. He was all mis-shaped and didn't even try to get away when they caught him for me :/ I didn't see that until I got home though. I called the shop and said that the fish had been in very bad shape, I had tried treating him as well as I could, but he died after just two days. They said I'd get another one for free then and I could come and choose one. Horus was the only one left from the Oranda tank.

In short, I got Berry, Claymore, Marneus and Horus from that shop but not at the same time Smiley I really don't like that place, they sell expired water conditioners and fish foods...
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Re: Help please for Onyx!
« Reply #33 on: September 09, 2011, 05:23:37 PM »

Ah yes I remember Claymore a sad ending... Cry.
What a nuts store I hope they don't realize what they're doing. If they do that would be horrible Sad.
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Re: Help please for Onyx!
« Reply #34 on: September 09, 2011, 07:20:02 PM »

Nossie: ahh, yes, I knows how it feels with screws in the bone...although the muscle around the bone is really what hurts alot...I'm glad she isn't in too much pain though! Smiley And thats so sad about the little oranda being munched alive by those koi! What were those crazy people thinking putting him in with them?!  Shocked And selling expired water conditioners??? Wooooow... Angry

Thanks Ron, for the karma, although we weren't able to save the fish.  Cry

Crystal was released back into the main tank after 3 and 1/2 days of quarentining and GOOD NEWS!! She is no longer picking on Copper Kate...just swims around her and does her own thing. Thank you all for your help regarding that little situation!!  Wink
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Re: Help please for Onyx!
« Reply #35 on: September 10, 2011, 12:42:24 AM »

at least some good news for Copper Kate Goldie  Smiley ... and what sort of crap business is that Nossie, theres always someone trying to pull a dodgy one Angry , but they also seem to have little concern for their fish...
we would all be advised never to work in a pet store I think, we would spend all our time being concerned about the fish/animals and little else, then we would take that heavy load of concern home with us everynight... cheers
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Re: Help please for Onyx!
« Reply #36 on: September 10, 2011, 04:47:24 AM »

Yeah I would work at a zoo! Smiley
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Re: Help please for Onyx!
« Reply #37 on: September 10, 2011, 01:14:36 PM »

Yay Copper Kate!  Wink That isolation treatment for bullies WORKS WONDERS!

I am always half-tempted to apply for work at one of those chain stores so I could help the poor fish, but I think you are right Ron, I'd go out of my mind with all the constant problems and sadness for all the fish that go to inadiquate homes.  Sad And I'd be spending all my time yelling at someone for bringing their dead fish back to the store when it was their fault it died, or trying to educate some inexperienced n00b on how to properly care for the fish.  Cheesy
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Re: Help please for Onyx!
« Reply #38 on: September 11, 2011, 02:01:18 PM »

Goldiegirl: They added the koi AFTER I had been there! Angry If I would've known I would've taken him home right away!! He was so perky and happy the first time I saw him... :'/
Glad it worked out with Crystal though! It's really great Smiley

Ron: Good point! D: I don't think I could handle working at a pet shop... I'd probably have to yell at the other employees when they give the wrong advice... xD Not to mention how angry I'd be if they'd dare treat the fish harshly Undecided

fantailer: A zoo or a public aquarium would be better indeed Smiley There'd be a lot of other likeminded people working there probably! Smiley
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Re: Help please for Onyx!
« Reply #39 on: September 13, 2011, 10:00:39 AM »

Awww that's so sad.  Sad Really, those people should know better than to do that. I know how you feel though, one time I was at a fish store and they had a tiny little oranda I really liked, but I decided to come back at the end of the day because I still had more errends to run. I noticed how the others would nip it occasionally. After returning to the store that night, the fish was dead and all the others were tearing it to pieces.  Undecided I wish I could have done something.

For my birthday last year my parents took me to a public aquarium. It was AMAZING! But I was all like, "where are all the goldfish?"  Cheesy
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Re: Help please for Onyx!
« Reply #40 on: September 13, 2011, 11:15:12 AM »

That's terrible Sad Poor little baby Sad

I wish I could go to some aquarium soon... Last time I went I was still in Elementary school! Smiley
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Re: Help please for Onyx!
« Reply #41 on: September 14, 2011, 12:09:20 PM »

Last night Crystal had another fit of aggression.  Angry

I had fed them earthworms for supper and they were all doing fine, but after Crystal finished hers she began immediately snapping at Copper Kate again...very viciously too. So it was back to the quarentine tank for her for the night.

This got me thinking..the last time she had an aggression spell she had had worms for diner that time as well! I think it might have been the taste of fresh meat and blood that got her behavior to go haywire. So I'm gonna try not giving her those for a while and see what happends.
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Re: Help please for Onyx!
« Reply #42 on: September 14, 2011, 03:13:54 PM »

Our zoo has an a aquarium full of fish from a endangered lagoon nearby. Man, they have 4 foot bass, mullets, brackish water tuna, catfish, flying ginards, stingrays, horseshoe crabs, snails, lobsters, perch and even a 8 inch long hermit crab!!!
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Re: Help please for Onyx!
« Reply #43 on: September 16, 2011, 06:46:35 PM »

Impressive, fantailer.  Wink Especially about the huge hermit crab!

Crystal is still in the quarentine tank right now, but I am planning on letting her out tomorrow morning. Fingers crossed that she won't keep munching my other fish. >.<
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Re: Help please for Onyx!
« Reply #44 on: September 17, 2011, 04:03:15 AM »

She'd better behave! D: She's the new one after all. But sometimes there's not much you can do about it.. :/
Are you sure there's enough space for all the fish? Sometimes just having one fish too many can make one of them pretty territorial Smiley
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Re: Help please for Onyx!
« Reply #45 on: September 17, 2011, 10:06:40 AM »

I know right! She needs to get it together.  Cheesy I think the main reason why she's acting SO aggressive is because when Onyx was very ill her instinct was to pick on him. I'm sure you've observed that whenever one fish is sick/injured, the others all begin pecking on it. Well I only have 2 telescope eye goldfish and a baby blue fantail in the tank, and they never picked on Onyx...it was always Crystal, trying to "defend" the tank...she is a pretty big fish compared to my others (a full 3 inches long including the tail lol), but is given pleanty of room and NO overcrowding, so I don't think that's the problem. Maybe, after being in such a destructive mindset to Onyx, she's just hyper aggressive, I don't know. I tried releasing her into the main tank and she went balistic right away, biting and pecking and just acting wild and crazy. I think the floating basket only worsened her problem, because it's pretty small and she is (or WAS) a very social fish.

So I'm gonna try something new. I have a nice outdoor cycled 25 gallon tank she can be in all by herself. Outside we are approaching autumn, and the nights get pretty cold (but not too cold). Maybe, by putting her in a spacious tank all alone combined with cooler water temperatures (my indoor tank runs about 72-75) will help fix her behavior problem, by slowing down her heart rate and maybe pressing a "reset button" in her mind.

Wish me luck!
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Re: Help please for Onyx!
« Reply #46 on: September 17, 2011, 12:42:52 PM »

Good luck, Goldie! Smiley
Maybe she does need some vacation? Wink
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Re: Help please for Onyx!
« Reply #47 on: September 18, 2011, 11:22:17 AM »

Thank you Nossie.  Wink She seems to be a lot less wild since I put her in the outdoor tank; that water is ice-cold! I don't know how goldfish manage living in it 24/7.

Yesterday I re-stapled my screening to the wooden frame to make it extra sturdy. I have the screen over the top of the tank to prevent wildlife from getting in, but guess who came for a visit last night? Racoons. Again! I had had nightmares all night of poor little Crystal being eaten, and lo and behold when I went outside the screen had been removed and neatly propped up on one side.  Shocked There was a large hole in one corner where something had chewed for a while, then decided just to lift the whole thing off. I was horrified, and rushed over to see if she was ok, and fortunately she was swimming around like nothing had happened. The critter had only wanted a drink and ignored the fish. *phew*
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Re: Help please for Onyx!
« Reply #48 on: September 18, 2011, 03:23:10 PM »

Oh my goodness! Shocked
I'd have a heart attack! xD Good thing she's fine! Man, those sneaky raccoons... >>
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Re: Help please for Onyx!
« Reply #49 on: September 18, 2011, 07:51:54 PM »

I know right! I'm glad it was just a coon and not a bear! We've had a big daddy bear, a momma and her cub prowl around our house lately, even drinking out of the bird bath! They are foraging for food before winter comes, and are getting quite bold. If they had discovered my fish she would have been food for them. I was so relieved she was still there. +.+
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Re: Help please for Onyx!
« Reply #50 on: September 20, 2011, 10:34:57 AM »

Well the other night something came and tore up the plastic siding at the top of the tank to pieces...the lid had been torn off and tossed to one side, and the water level was considerably lower. It was the baby bear! I figured out that he likes the flavor of the fish water because it contains a concentration of SALT to keep Crystal from getting ill due to the temp. difference between this tank and her old one. He is making it a regular nightly thing to gorge himself on acorns on the scrub oaks in our yard, then wander over to my tank and take a drink. Goodness.  Shocked
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Re: Help please for Onyx!
« Reply #51 on: September 20, 2011, 10:54:57 AM »

Oh dear! Shocked
... yeah, I'd have a heart attack right about now if I was in your shoes...! xD
Good thing she wasn't eaten! Shocked
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Re: Help please for Onyx!
« Reply #52 on: September 21, 2011, 06:32:23 AM »

jeepers Goldie, coons and now bears, its an ongoing battle you have to keep your outdoor fish... just a thought, maybe you could try tying a few cans together and hanging them on a string around your fish pond, they may scare themselves off if they trip it...all the best with your wildlife... cheers
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« Reply #53 on: September 21, 2011, 03:57:07 PM »

Yes, Nossie I was so afraid I would look in there and find her missing like I did with so many of my other fish when animals ate them...so relieved she wasn't.

Oh my, that's a great suggestion Ron, thank you so much! Right now I have a large sheet of bubble wrap around it thinking maybe if he steps on it it will make a popping/rustling sound and scare it but I'm not sure if that's enough to really frighten him...most likely he will just be curious. Cans are great because they are loud but will not physically harm the bear (something I definately DON'T want to do, even though I'm bummed about him getting into my tank water). Hopefully when the acorns go out of season they'll stop coming around...every day for a whole week we have seen the bears on our front lawn; they have some sort of trail they follow and our house is on it's stop.

A month or so ago my mom left the garage door open and the next morning when we came out to the garage our entire deep freeze unit had been torn off the wall and was leaning against our car. Food was scattered all across the yard as well, though most of it was just bones that were left over from several packages of chicken that had been broken into.
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Re: Help please for Onyx!
« Reply #54 on: September 21, 2011, 04:33:03 PM »

Alright, I basically live in the forest and I haven't had bears walking around stealing food or tank water from my house... as in, they never came that close! They rather stayed by the edge of the forest where the hay and food was for the deer c:

It's fall (at least here), so they'll probably chill out and go to sleep soon Smiley
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« Reply #55 on: September 22, 2011, 10:12:36 AM »

Yes, I hope so. It's fall here too, though I think we are on the other side of the world! Our bears are much bolder out here I guess...many of them live off of people's trash that they leave at the end of their driveways or in the giant community dumpsters. They pretty much go where they want and do what they want regardless of people. They just get really bold in the autumn I suppose, trying to stock up on a bunch of food before they hybernate. Usually during the rest of the year they're more shy.
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Re: Help please for Onyx!
« Reply #56 on: September 23, 2011, 02:41:09 AM »

Could be, my country is basically 60% of forest, so no animals really want to come out unless they need to Smiley But I did see a lot of foxes and rabbits around the city (one was waiting for the green light by a crossing... xD)
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« Reply #57 on: September 23, 2011, 07:42:08 PM »

wow Goldie, sounds like your bears are smarter than the average bears (pardon the pun, hehe)  Cheesy , I like your idea with the bubblewrap too, I will keep it in mind,  Wink cheers... thats so funny Nossie about the fox at the crossing, I have seen the same thing a few times here at a pedestrian crossing near one of our reserviours that hold our drinking water... I love those little wildlife encounters we sometimes have, while on holiday recently, I was in my camo suit waiting by a creek to get some photos when a large kangaroo bound up behind me (with a big thump, thump, thump) and started to graze on some grass nearby. He could not see me but within a miniute he picked up my scent and started nervously looking about, he soon left but the moment is one I will never forget...  cheers all
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« Reply #58 on: September 24, 2011, 05:22:29 AM »

That's pretty awesome... Smiley
Obviously we don't have kangaroos here, so it's pretty amazing to imagine! Cheesy
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Re: Help please for Onyx!
« Reply #59 on: September 25, 2011, 08:34:13 PM »

Smart fox Nossie! I wish a prarie dog my dad and I saw in the middle of a 4 way intersection had the same discretion.  Sad It's always sad to witness wildlife that have been hit by cars. Around here we see skunks (you know when one's been hit before you see it), foxes, deer and coyotes that have been hit and dragged over to one side of the street...it is always extremely sad...just the other day 2 bears were killed on the highway... Cry

That's amazing about the kangaroo Ron! I would have just been thrilled to have such impressive wildlife that close!  Smiley

The yesterday my sister and father were outdoors playing a game in our front yard. I was inside our basement when right by the window here comes that cinnimon colored cub! He was only a short distance from them, so I ran to the window and yelled at them to get in the house. I knew where the baby bear was the mother must be close by. As my dad and sister scrambled to get in the house, I went back inside to observe from the window. Sure enough, the mother bear had caught up with her cub and was alarmed by the sounds of my family members slamming doors. She rose onto her back legs and tucked her huge paws below her chin...it was an awesome sight. She appeared to be only observing them and displayed no threatening behavior, but it was still a warning sign that she could be very dangerous if caught unaware. No doubt the pair of them were coming to get a drink from my tank. They are yet undeterred by everything...they find things that make sound now to be ammusing. I ran upstairs and got an air-horn in hopes to scare them off without hurting them or causing danger to myself. I went onto the deck and set it off. They loped about 20 paces, then stopped and sat down. I blasted it again, but this time they didn't even flinch. I must say that they are getting to be very comfortable around our house and I am at  a loss regarding what to do about them. They are getting just so bold! Smart little rascals.
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