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Sarahfish
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HELP: Red on goldfish fins
« on: March 31, 2012, 07:15:41 PM »

Hi

I am new here.  I belong to the Fishlore community and someone on it suggested I join this forum.

I have a single fantail goldfish in a 20 gallon tank with 2 weather loaches and an extremely small pleco.

Today I noticed he had red on his bottom tail fins. 

The water parameters are:

Ph: 6.8-7.0 (I plan to use a bit of aragonite to bring this up a little)
Ammonia: 0
Nitrates: 20-30 (this is new to me)
Nitrites: 0

There was a plant in the tank he was ripping his fins on, I took that out and they healed up well.
I added two other goldfish and he pine-coned. I separated him and added epsom salts to his water, within a week he was perfect again.  Those two goldfish are gone now.
He eats well everyday and I clean the tank on Friday's.

Any help?
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Vicloz2006
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Re: HELP: Red on goldfish fins
« Reply #1 on: March 31, 2012, 09:24:24 PM »

Sorry I can only just make the red out in the pictures. Are the red spots or red streaks?
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Re: HELP: Red on goldfish fins
« Reply #2 on: March 31, 2012, 09:58:28 PM »

Hi Sarah,
Glad you joined and I know someone here should be able to help you. Sorry I couldn't help more on the other forum, but there are some really experienced goldfish people here and they have helped me, so I hope you can get answers.
I've had my last two goldfish for over two years, but reading up on this site has helped me sooo much, and there were many things I was doing wrong. I just cycled a new 29 gallon tank and my fish are in there and happy now with much more room. I am learning all the time, and hope nothing is wrong with your fish. Will keep checking in.
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Sarahfish
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Re: HELP: Red on goldfish fins
« Reply #3 on: March 31, 2012, 10:36:09 PM »

They're streaks
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Vicloz2006
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Re: HELP: Red on goldfish fins
« Reply #4 on: April 01, 2012, 05:17:52 AM »

According to this site (Link is not visible to guests. Please register to view.) they are due to bad water quality. Do you know your water parameters? Try doing some more regular water changes see if that clears it up and if you want to you could try adding some aquarium salt. I hope this helps.
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Re: HELP: Red on goldfish fins
« Reply #5 on: April 01, 2012, 05:19:49 AM »

Sorry just noticed the you already posted water parameters. Could be due to the nitrates. To get rid of them you need to do a small change everyday or at least every other day. With four in the tank it might not be a bad idea once you have this sorted to do a water change twice a week if possible as the are very messy animals. Hope your fish gets better.
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Re: HELP: Red on goldfish fins
« Reply #6 on: April 01, 2012, 05:25:53 AM »

That is a fairly small tank . I should get into the routine of doing a 60% water change at least once a week. Grin
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Re: HELP: Red on goldfish fins
« Reply #7 on: April 01, 2012, 06:33:36 AM »

Hi Sarahfish and welcome to the forums,

Are you aware that Weather Loaches can and will grow up to 25 cms/10 inches. So for those two weather loache's you have, that's an awfully small space for them once they've grown.
The pleco could also reach huge sizes, depending on which breed you have.

If you are planning on upgrading the tank size, then I imagine they will be fine  Smiley

As for the red streaks on fins, this is usually down to bad water quality as has already been mentioned. Perhaps monitor the nitrates closely and do a water change whenever they get to around 30ppm  Smiley This may mean having to do 2 water changes a week or more, depending on how fast they build up.

I hope the fish gets better  Smiley
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Re: HELP: Red on goldfish fins
« Reply #8 on: April 01, 2012, 07:35:19 AM »

I love how on whatever forum you're on people automatically attack you about your tank size.  Everything in the tank is at present super small. My biggest tank at present is a 30 gallon holding two Columbian sharks.  The fall I am moving out, hopefully, and getting my 55g out of storage. The 30 will move to the 55 then after a few month the sharks will be getting a 125 and the prior 20 inhabitantsin the 30 will get the 55. I'm not new to fishkeeping, just goldfish.

I figured it was the nitrates which only just showed up. They were 5 to 10 2 weeks ago.  I take a good bit of water out when I do my weekly water changes but I guess ill have to do more. The shark tanks is also 30. And I've been trying to get that down.
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Re: HELP: Red on goldfish fins
« Reply #9 on: April 01, 2012, 07:36:53 AM »

Also I use aquarium salt in all 4 of my tanks.
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Re: HELP: Red on goldfish fins
« Reply #10 on: April 01, 2012, 09:21:04 AM »

Just to qualify things a bit Sarah the streaks are more than likely dilated blood vessels (although they are hard to see in your pics), and as the members above have said the cause is more often than not is bad water quality, in your case it looks like the nitrates are way too high... work out a new programme of water changes to keep it under control and keep checkin on the nitrates till your sure your on top of it,5 is ok, 10 is too high for my liking. Also it's probably best not to use the salt in the tanks unless you have a problem or a salinity meter to monitor the build up of salt that goes on, anyway happy fishkeeping Sarah. Cheers > Ron
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Re: HELP: Red on goldfish fins
« Reply #11 on: April 01, 2012, 04:08:16 PM »

Sarahfish, I was not trying to attack you in anyway. But you have to understand that as a stand alone message I would rather mention things that people may already know, than to not mention something at all, when they might not know it.
If that makes any sense at all Smiley

I apologise, as I did not mean to offend you in anyway.

Good luck with getting the nitrates down in both the tanks, I'd love to see photo's of them sometime! Plus Columbian Sharks  sound rather intriguing, I've not come across them before Smiley
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Re: HELP: Red on goldfish fins
« Reply #12 on: April 01, 2012, 04:11:26 PM »

Skwishee, sorry, I probably over reacted, the people on Fishlore just attack attack and attack you about your stock. And they don't stop. Kind of makes you get your guard up.

Columbian sharks are awesome. They get enormous and are brackish fish. While mine are only 3-4 inches right now they are in freshwater with my Swordtails. But when they move to the 55g Ill be switching it to brackish-theres a bristlenose pleco in there I want to keep haha.
This is my first time keeping them, but I love catfish.
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Re: HELP: Red on goldfish fins
« Reply #13 on: April 01, 2012, 04:24:23 PM »

No worries Sarahfish Cheesy

Good luck with the upgrades! That's sure going to be a lot of cycling tanks by the sounds of it Grin
Let us know how it goes with the nitrates!
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Re: HELP: Red on goldfish fins
« Reply #14 on: April 01, 2012, 04:25:49 PM »

Just 1 tank need be cycled-the 55, which my dad bought for me for xmas but wasn't allowed to set up Sad

the 30 and rest are running for a year and then some. So just 1! haha.. well the 125 will have to be cycled too but that's not for a while yet!
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Re: HELP: Red on goldfish fins
« Reply #15 on: April 01, 2012, 04:35:08 PM »

the red streaks have moved to  his top back fin now too.. I did a water change today and Friday...
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Re: HELP: Red on goldfish fins
« Reply #16 on: April 01, 2012, 05:25:49 PM »

Hmmm what are the nitrates looking like currently? Is the red streak similar to the one in his tail?

Are there any signs that could indicate any secondary infections? I.e. is the fish behaving normally or anything else that may be unusual that you can see on his body?
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Re: HELP: Red on goldfish fins
« Reply #17 on: April 01, 2012, 05:28:08 PM »

he's clamping now, but up until then he was fine. all fluffy and swimming around. but the red streaks are on 3 of his 4 tails. I havent tested the nitrates since, but I doubt they went down much at all with just one water change.
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Re: HELP: Red on goldfish fins
« Reply #18 on: April 01, 2012, 05:51:21 PM »

Fins being clamped is not good Undecided

Water changes should reduce the nitrates. It may be an idea to test your tank water and tap water for nitrates.
It may be a reason why you're having difficulties with the levels.

Where I am, there is 0.25ppm of ammonia in the tap water, so I am constantly battling with it in the tank!

How often are you cleaning the filters and vacuuming the gravel?
When you do a water change how much do you take out?
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Re: HELP: Red on goldfish fins
« Reply #19 on: April 01, 2012, 06:03:46 PM »

There was 2 filters running on the tank, he really didn't like that and when I had to quarantine the two others that eventually went back to the store, and only 1 filter was running, he was doing much better. Today I changed all the carbons in the filters and added the second one back to the tank. Maybe this is why hes acting strange (clamping) as I just unplugged it and hes starting to fluff up again.

I will test the tank and tap water tomorrow. I find it easier to do so in the daytime.
I do water changes on all my tanks on Friday's. I take out about 2-4 gallons each time from the 20g. I don't have gravel in this tank, but sand, and I gravel vac closely to it and suck up as much poop as possible.
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Re: HELP: Red on goldfish fins
« Reply #20 on: April 01, 2012, 06:14:46 PM »

Ah okay, I would suggest doing larger water changes.
As you probably see on the sand, goldfish poo a lot! So with goldfish it's better to do at least a 50% water change, because of this.
Never be afraid to do a little more though if you have a lot to clean, as long as the fish have enough water to swim in comfortably it should be fine, I used to do really big water changes around 80%, when my goldfish was in a smaller tank Smiley

I assume you have two internal filters on the tank or an external and internal?
Generally lots of filtration is good for goldfish, around 10x the tank size is what I find most recommended, but a little under or over is usually okay. I found with my external filter the flow was a little much, I could see Lucky struggling to swim properly, so I turned the spray bar to hit the back of the tank instead.
So depending on what filters you have, you could possibly reduce the flow? Or re-direct it in some manner?
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Re: HELP: Red on goldfish fins
« Reply #21 on: April 01, 2012, 06:42:44 PM »

I have two hang on back filters.  the flows are on the lowest settings. Ill try larger changes, but i don't think ill use the second filter, as the one thats running is rated for 30-40g aquariums, and he clamps when its on.  Hes fine now, all fluffed up again. Id say hes tired now as the lights have been on for almost 12 hours.
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Re: HELP: Red on goldfish fins
« Reply #22 on: April 02, 2012, 08:54:24 AM »

In a 20 gallon tank such as the one you have, you ideally want the filter to be doing 200 gallons an hour.
Also, unless you have plants with specific lighting needs of 12 hours a day, you could always have the lights on for a shorter period such as 6, 8 or even 10 hours Smiley

Glad to hear his doing better though, sounds like it was possibly just the current bothering him Smiley

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Re: HELP: Red on goldfish fins
« Reply #23 on: April 02, 2012, 10:09:10 AM »

Hi Sarah,
I'm glad to see that your fish is doing better and that you have gotten a lot of help.
Wishing you continued success and I'm glad you joined the group  Smiley
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Re: HELP: Red on goldfish fins
« Reply #24 on: April 02, 2012, 12:41:48 PM »

Yeah I think it was the current bothering him, because every time the Aqua Clear 20 is hooked up and running he clamps and gets very upset.  I think it is because the current on that filter shoots down whereas the Tetra 3-40 filter shoots across the top of the water.  He is much more fluffy and lively today.  I put aragonite in my filter and the ph came up to 7.4.
I think I will move the aqua clear to my 10 gallon and take the tetra whisper 10-30 on that tank (in-tank filter) and put it on the 20 and see how he feels about that one.
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Re: HELP: Red on goldfish fins
« Reply #25 on: April 02, 2012, 01:04:44 PM »

the nitrates seem to be gone down to 10, its so hard to read these color charts..I'll do another large water change tomorrow see if I can get them down to 5, the red is still on his 3 tails
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Re: HELP: Red on goldfish fins
« Reply #26 on: April 03, 2012, 05:19:35 AM »

Hopefully if the red streaks are down to water quality, they will clear by themselves  Smiley
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Re: HELP: Red on goldfish fins
« Reply #27 on: April 04, 2012, 11:20:19 AM »

Hi Sarah,
Just wanted to check in and see how your fish was doing. Hope things are going better. Smiley
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Re: HELP: Red on goldfish fins
« Reply #28 on: April 04, 2012, 11:55:39 AM »

I did a large water change on all 4 of my tanks yesterday, as they all have 30 nitrates.. how random.  I haven't tested any yet, and his red streaks are still there.  So not much has changed! I also have to convert my 30 gallon to brackish this week, so I'll be busy moving some fish around to different tanks and adding marine salt. All while trying to get ready for final exams! .. oh my!
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Re: HELP: Red on goldfish fins
« Reply #29 on: April 04, 2012, 12:22:33 PM »

Don't touch the pH! The goldfish doesn't mind it being 6.8 at all, however he does mind it fluctuating, which it will if you'll tamper with it, so just leave that alone Wink

You already went over the tank size, but since your tank is over-stocked and under-filtered, you'll need to be more vigilant with the water changes, so more than half the water needs to go out every single week and you need to vacuum the gravel every time to make sure no waste is left to rot there. It'll be much easier once you'll have the bigger tank set up Smiley But goldfish are far messier than most tropical fish you're used to, so I understand if it seems strange. Have you removed the salt from the goldfish tank, by the way? Salt is slowing down the workings of the beneficial bacteria, so it's possible that some ammonia/nitrite is getting to him before it's broken down.

In case this all has been said, sorry to be repetitive.
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