Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
October 31, 2014, 12:10:23 PM
Home Search Search Login Register

+  Pet Goldfish - Aquarium Forum Community
|-+  Aquarium
| |-+  Health and Illness
| | |-+  HELP: Red on goldfish fins
« previous next »
Pages: 1 [2] 3
Author Topic: HELP: Red on goldfish fins  (Read 2258 times)
Sarahfish
Newbie
*

Karma: 0
Posts: 28



Re: HELP: Red on goldfish fins
« Reply #30 on: April 04, 2012, 12:25:02 PM »

goldfish actually prefer a ph of 7.5.
I plan on putting my Aqua Clear on my 10 gallon and trying my in-tank filter, with the HOB one that's already there.
Logged
orandagal
Full Member
***

Karma: 26
Posts: 168



Re: HELP: Red on goldfish fins
« Reply #31 on: April 04, 2012, 12:40:01 PM »

I'm still fairly new to this, had a smaller tank that was never tested, but the fish did fine in it, so I must have been doing something right Cheesy After I cycled the bigger aquarium and really started tested the water, I was a little freaked out about the PH, and had even thought about getting chemicals to level it right at 7.5, but after being advised by several to stop worrying about (mine always stayed right at 8.0) that's what I've done, I've stopped fretting, left it alone and they don't seem bothered by it staying right there. Who's to say whose right and whose wrong, everyone has their own system but this is working for me  Smiley I hope you can find a balance that will work for your fish. Please keep us posted Smiley
Logged
Sarahfish
Newbie
*

Karma: 0
Posts: 28



Re: HELP: Red on goldfish fins
« Reply #32 on: April 04, 2012, 01:13:29 PM »

Im not quite sure how Im overstocked with one goldfish, two loaches and a pleco.
I vacuum the sand every time I do a water change which is every friday.
The filter is rated for up to 40 gallon aquariums.
Logged
scrivens345
Sr. Member
****

Karma: 90
Posts: 822



Re: HELP: Red on goldfish fins
« Reply #33 on: April 04, 2012, 01:30:02 PM »

what type of plec..I've seen 3 ft plecs
Logged
Sarahfish
Newbie
*

Karma: 0
Posts: 28



Re: HELP: Red on goldfish fins
« Reply #34 on: April 04, 2012, 01:31:51 PM »

the pleco is not the issue here. it's a common, I am aware of how they grow, its 2 inches long right now.
Logged
Skwishee
Sr. Member
****

Karma: 136
Posts: 1763



Re: HELP: Red on goldfish fins
« Reply #35 on: April 04, 2012, 01:34:06 PM »

Hi Sarahfish,

I'm not too sure on the ammonia produced by weather loaches or pleco's, but goldfish I know produce a large amount and need at least 10 gallons -this is the bare minimum.
So when you consider in your 20 gallon tank, 10 gallons goes to the goldfish, that does only leave 10 gallons for the 3 remaining fish in the tank, which isn't a lot, that's just over 3 gallons each for the weather loache's and pleco. The water quality will be a lot more stable once you have the bigger set-up  Smiley

The other thing, is because of goldfish producing a large amount of waste, they need a lot of filtration, ideally 10x the tank size. Could you look at the filter and see how many gallons per hour it does? For your 20 gallon, you'll want at least 200 gallons per hour, it should say on the box or manual Smiley

Best of luck with the nitrates, don't be afraid to do two water changes a week, if the nitrates are sky rocketing too quickly  Smiley
« Last Edit: April 04, 2012, 01:50:25 PM by Skwishee » Logged
Nossie
Hero Member
*****

Karma: 481
Posts: 5469



Re: HELP: Red on goldfish fins
« Reply #36 on: April 05, 2012, 02:58:48 AM »

They PREFER, yes, but they can easily enjoy anything ranging between 6.5-8.5 when it comes to pH, they're really not fussy when it comes to water hardness and alkalinity. But they would be very disturbed if the pH would start fluctuating every time you perform a water change. Not to mention that the water quality allover will be more stable once you upgrade Smiley

It's overstocked because a 20 gallon tank is almost too small for the goldfish alone even, so it's overstocked with half a goldfish, a pleco and two loaches. You can keep the goldfish there of course, but it does look a bit sad when it'll be all grown up and not have enough space to swim. The minimum size for a goldfish is usually 20 gallons, but in my opinion, 20 gallons is for a baby goldfish, and they need more space as they grow, which is why it's better to start big.
And honestly, it isn't good to stock such a small tank with two fish that will be huge Undecided A small tank might be stunting their growth without you knowing. Since you're not new to keeping fish, you probably know that already.

No offense, nobody is attacking you, we're having a conversation. Loads and loads of people come here with too small tanks (and most of us have been there and tried it out, which is why we're trying to help), for some weird reason they get offended by the size of tank they bought? Huh It's about the same as if you'd decide to get offended when someone points out that your shoes are too small, which you already know because they sort of squeeze your toes. You know something's wrong, because you see/feel it, but you just don't know that the answer could be as simple as you not providing enough space. So, no need to get angry at any of us, and just upgrade whenever you can since that was already in your plans.
Logged
Sarahfish
Newbie
*

Karma: 0
Posts: 28



Re: HELP: Red on goldfish fins
« Reply #37 on: April 05, 2012, 06:31:21 AM »

I wish you guys would stop harassing me about the size of the tank, I already said this tank will be switched to a 30g and eventually a 55g. People keep goldfish for years in 2g bowls with no filters, harass them.
Logged
Nossie
Hero Member
*****

Karma: 481
Posts: 5469



Re: HELP: Red on goldfish fins
« Reply #38 on: April 10, 2012, 07:36:26 AM »

There is no harassment going on, they're all explanations since you expressively said "I'm not quite sure how I'm overstocked with one goldfish, two loaches and a pleco".

We don't harass those with bowls and no filters either, we explain why it's harmful and why they should do something about it. Please, don't take it so personally, this is only advice |:
Logged
Sarahfish
Newbie
*

Karma: 0
Posts: 28



Re: HELP: Red on goldfish fins
« Reply #39 on: April 10, 2012, 06:26:50 PM »

well the red came off his fins, now they are turning black and he spends all his time on the bottom of the tank, he won't eat, and he keeps stretching out his lips.
Parameters are:
ph: 7.0-7.1
rates: 5
rites: 0
ammonia: 0
Logged
Skwishee
Sr. Member
****

Karma: 136
Posts: 1763



Re: HELP: Red on goldfish fins
« Reply #40 on: April 11, 2012, 03:19:41 AM »

If the area's of red have turned black, this is usually a sign of healing.

However the bottom sitting and not eating Undecided When you say stretching out his lips, do you mean like a yawn?
If his yawning excessively this could be caused by water quality or the fish has a parasite within it's gills.

If you look closely at the gills themselves, do you notice anything unusual? Are the gills pale, brown or have yellow patches?

These two articles detail issues with yawning and gills;
(Link is not visible to guests. Please register to view.)
(Link is not visible to guests. Please register to view.)

Have a good look at the fish, are there any other signs of illness externally that can help us figure out what's going on?
Logged
Nossie
Hero Member
*****

Karma: 481
Posts: 5469



Re: HELP: Red on goldfish fins
« Reply #41 on: April 11, 2012, 03:47:33 AM »

Strange that he stopped eating when the parameters are looking so good... Undecided Have you tried adding some salt to the tank? Like a teaspoon per gallon? (Remember to dissolve it in a small cup or bucket before adding to the tank when using such large quantities) That should kill off any parasites in the system.
Logged
Sarahfish
Newbie
*

Karma: 0
Posts: 28



Re: HELP: Red on goldfish fins
« Reply #42 on: April 11, 2012, 07:40:59 AM »

Yeah I mean yawning, almost like he has something stuck in his throat or something, I don't know its weird.
He'll lie on the bottom, then all of a sudden, he will get up and start freaking out then go back to the bottom again.
The red isn't turning black for healing, the red completely disappeared, his whole fins are turning black, the entire thing.
His gills look fine to me.  They are red and flesh colored like they should be.

I stopped adding salt because people yell at you for it. Ill add some when I get home today. Because he was doing perfect before this.  He hasn't eaten in a few days.  Ill try bloodworms today, no fish refuses bloodworms. If he does we can assume it's the end of him.. ha.
« Last Edit: April 11, 2012, 07:43:03 AM by Sarahfish » Logged
Sarahfish
Newbie
*

Karma: 0
Posts: 28



Re: HELP: Red on goldfish fins
« Reply #43 on: April 11, 2012, 10:25:15 AM »

he gets into these twitching fits, kind of like someone with turrets. Im uploading a video of him now.

here's the video..
I have already prepared a bucket for him with an air stone and parasite guard is standing by..

(Link is not visible to guests. Please register to view.)
(Link is not visible to guests. Please register to view.) | (Link is not visible to guests. Please register to view.)
« Last Edit: April 11, 2012, 10:53:45 AM by Sarahfish » Logged
Nossie
Hero Member
*****

Karma: 481
Posts: 5469



Re: HELP: Red on goldfish fins
« Reply #44 on: April 12, 2012, 06:09:32 PM »

I think it's still the water, somehow. I mean if it just recently returned to normal, he'll need some time to adjust.
I'd just try changing water whenever needed, and keep an eye on him. I don't it would be of any help to stress him out by moving him into a bucket of harsh chemicals Undecided
Logged
Sarahfish
Newbie
*

Karma: 0
Posts: 28



Re: HELP: Red on goldfish fins
« Reply #45 on: April 12, 2012, 06:15:22 PM »

Well its too late for that he was moved to a bucket with parasite guard.
Logged
Skwishee
Sr. Member
****

Karma: 136
Posts: 1763



Re: HELP: Red on goldfish fins
« Reply #46 on: April 13, 2012, 03:38:54 AM »

Has the parasite guard helped in any way?

I'm not too sure on keeping a fish in a bucket for a long period of time, I have only ever had Lucky in a bucket for an hour or so with an air stone, while I was sorting out the gravel in her old tank and acclimatising her to the water in her new tank. She was stressed and bottom sat for most of the time, so I was glad to get her out of there!

How long are you keeping him in the bucket for? Does the treatment say how long it takes?
Logged
Sarahfish
Newbie
*

Karma: 0
Posts: 28



Re: HELP: Red on goldfish fins
« Reply #47 on: April 13, 2012, 10:15:25 AM »

this isn't Bubbles first time in the bucket.  He's in there with an airstone. He hasn't changed, no.
The first time he was in there for 5 days or so because he had pineconed. I added some epsom salt and he cleared right up!
So far, no change. he still isn't eating and his fins are turning more and more black.  When I first got him his tips of his top fin and tail had black on them, but it soon disappeared. Now almost all of his fins have black appearing on them. It could just be a color change.  He is still yawning. I don't know what to do for him.

Its a huge bucket btw, its what I put fresh water in overnight to clean 4 of my tanks.. so he has lots of space.
Going to give him some fresh water and see how he does over the weekend.

As for the treatment, it just says to use 1 tab per 10g and wait 2 days, do a water change and add again if needed.
« Last Edit: April 13, 2012, 10:24:38 AM by Sarahfish » Logged
Skwishee
Sr. Member
****

Karma: 136
Posts: 1763



Re: HELP: Red on goldfish fins
« Reply #48 on: April 13, 2012, 12:10:19 PM »

He pine coned?! I'm surprised he pulled through that with just salt?
How long ago was this pine coning?

I've never heard of a fish turning black, usually fish with black markings lose them as they grow older, I've never heard of it being the other way around? It could be that the black is indicating chemical burns that are healing.
« Last Edit: April 13, 2012, 12:16:46 PM by Skwishee » Logged
Sarahfish
Newbie
*

Karma: 0
Posts: 28



Re: HELP: Red on goldfish fins
« Reply #49 on: April 13, 2012, 12:21:53 PM »

It was around the middle of March when he pine coned and his eyes were swollen too. I had brought home two new goldfish (March 10th) and two days later he pine coned (they are both gone now).  I basically threw him in the bucket to die.. but added some salt because people said it helps the bloating part. A day later he was the same, then another day passed and he looked like his scales were going back down, day later he was almost back to normal, I didn't think he would pull through either.

I just have one screwed up goldfish.

If he had chemical burns, wouldn't I have known about it? And the only red was on the edges of his tails. This black is appearing on every fin, and theres more and more every day.
Logged
scrivens345
Sr. Member
****

Karma: 90
Posts: 822



Re: HELP: Red on goldfish fins
« Reply #50 on: April 13, 2012, 01:19:51 PM »

The black will be Ammonia burns
Logged
Nossie
Hero Member
*****

Karma: 481
Posts: 5469



Re: HELP: Red on goldfish fins
« Reply #51 on: April 13, 2012, 01:43:17 PM »

Ammonia burns, definitely, and keeping him in a bucket without any biological filtration isn't going to help that :| This, is how you know that he has chemical burns.
Goldfish do not change color to black, ever unless something is wrong. As Skwishee says, they usually lose the black pigment with age.

Skwishee: There's a difference between salt and epsom salts Wink Epsom salts work as a muscle relaxant or even a laxative for goldfish and will help expel excess fluid in the body cavity, which is usually what causes dropsy in the first place, some people do manage to treat their fish with it Smiley I skipped on them last time I had to treat dropsy though, and lo and behold, the fish healed *_*
« Last Edit: April 13, 2012, 01:45:45 PM by Nossie » Logged
Skwishee
Sr. Member
****

Karma: 136
Posts: 1763



Re: HELP: Red on goldfish fins
« Reply #52 on: April 14, 2012, 04:13:08 AM »

Ah thanks for that Noss, I had no idea Smiley Well I shall remember epsom salts if I ever have a pine coning fish!

Sarahfish are there any chances the pine coning and the behaviour your goldfish is showing are linked? How soon after the pine coning did this behaviour start? Any changes in the yawning/flashing behaviour?

Logged
Sarahfish
Newbie
*

Karma: 0
Posts: 28



Re: HELP: Red on goldfish fins
« Reply #53 on: April 14, 2012, 09:47:28 AM »

How can he have ammonia burns if there was never any ammonia registered in the tank?? Everytime i test for ammonia its always been zero.
he was still yawning yesterday. I am not home so i am not sure how he is today.
Logged
Sarahfish
Newbie
*

Karma: 0
Posts: 28



Re: HELP: Red on goldfish fins
« Reply #54 on: April 14, 2012, 09:49:28 AM »

The pine coning was last month. It was a month ago so i doubt it is related.
Logged
Skwishee
Sr. Member
****

Karma: 136
Posts: 1763



Re: HELP: Red on goldfish fins
« Reply #55 on: April 14, 2012, 11:39:08 AM »

As for the black, I've assumed chemical burn referred to anything in the water not just ammonia. So it could have been something else.

A month is quite a long time, but it could be possible that after the pine coning his immunity wasn't all that great which led to this new illness? I guess that's more speculation and we'll probably never really know.

I hope he gets better soon though!
Logged
Sarahfish
Newbie
*

Karma: 0
Posts: 28



Re: HELP: Red on goldfish fins
« Reply #56 on: April 14, 2012, 01:05:11 PM »

I think he will eventually die of starvation. He wasn't eating in the tank, and he's not eating in the bucket, hes refused bloodworms, shrimp pellets, and goldfish flakes.
I gave him some fresh water yesterday, but he still sits on the bottom of the bucket.  He is still breathing pretty hard using all his lips, so I guess he's still yawning. One hasn't come without the other!
The loaches and pleco are doing fantastic. No signs of chemical burns on them. They're so silly they make me laugh Smiley
Logged
Skwishee
Sr. Member
****

Karma: 136
Posts: 1763



Re: HELP: Red on goldfish fins
« Reply #57 on: April 15, 2012, 06:28:51 AM »

Oh my.... the only thing I can think of to try is soaking his food in garlic oil. There is a product called Garlic Guard that I've seen around, it's meant to help entice fish to eat - (Link is not visible to guests. Please register to view.)
The other members here may have other suggestions, but unfortunately that's the only one I'm aware of.

If his still breathing rapidly, bottom sitting and yawning... Depending on what active ingredients are in parasite guard, there are other options for medication detailed here, it might be useful should there be no improvement from using parasite guard. (Link is not visible to guests. Please register to view.)
What's the water quality like in the bucket?
Logged
Nossie
Hero Member
*****

Karma: 481
Posts: 5469



Re: HELP: Red on goldfish fins
« Reply #58 on: April 16, 2012, 03:10:45 AM »

I regularly feed my goldfish with pellets soaked in Garlic guard, they really love it! And it makes the food puffy Smiley

Ammonia is constantly created by the fish in a tank, meaning that the bacteria may not be able to break it down before it has a bad impact on some of the fish, particularly in an overstocked tank. Even if your test results say there's no ammonia in there, there still might be, you just can't be completely sure when having too big a load on the filter Undecided
Logged
Sarahfish
Newbie
*

Karma: 0
Posts: 28



Re: HELP: Red on goldfish fins
« Reply #59 on: April 17, 2012, 08:33:01 AM »

well hes dead now anyways
Logged
Pages: 1 [2] 3  
« previous next »
Jump to:  
Page created in 2.017 seconds with 16 queries.