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jlc
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Help!
« on: December 20, 2010, 10:42:04 PM »

I am continually doing partial water changes but can't seem to lower ammonia level below 4 ppm. I have 10 gallon tank with two fantail goldfish. One fish is now swimming sideways and sometimes doesn't move at all. Can I revive it? I am now doing daily partial water changes (25%) and using a product called ammo-Lock by API which detoxifies ammonia. Any other suggestions?
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Re: Help!
« Reply #1 on: December 20, 2010, 11:03:18 PM »

First off, Welcome to the forum!! 

ok, even coming from me, your tank is overstocked. Each goldfish should get ten gallons or so to itself... also, can you post more parameters of your water quality? Test your water and post the pH, nitrates, nitrites, and so on. Also, how big are your goldfish?

I'm sure that more friendly people will come and help you with your problem. Otherwise, welcome to the forum and good luck!  Cheesy
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« Reply #2 on: December 20, 2010, 11:29:04 PM »

ammonia LOck will give you a false reading, so will read that you have ammonia when maybe you really don't.
Stop using that and perform a large water change and add benficial bacteria booster right to your filter...Like API STRESSZYME
The bacteria will eat the ammonia and turn it into less toxic nitrites.
It sounds like your fish has ammonia poisoning.  Fish hardly recover from that.
I'm sorry your fish is sick but like Oranda Lover said 2 fish ina 10 gallon is a bit overstocked unless you have a huge filter and do frequent water changes, you are constantly going to struggle. Smiley
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« Reply #3 on: December 21, 2010, 02:33:35 AM »

WELCOME TO THE FORUM, JIC

Mindemae and Orandalover already mentioned it: your tank is far overstocked. 10 gal per fish is minimum.
Also please read the first sticky thread in this section and please give us information to every point. Pics would be good too.

By now please do 50 % waterchanges, adding beneficial bacteria straight to the filter media, also treating your tap water with conditioner to remove chlorine, chloramine and heavy metals from it. You may need to perform those waterchanges maybe daily at this stage or every second day. Please also test your water every day now and post the results please.

And please STOP using ammolock it is c.r.a.p.
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« Reply #4 on: December 21, 2010, 10:50:06 AM »

Everything's covered, all I can do is emphasize the importance of these pieces of advice Smiley

Just concentrate on the water quality for now, and your fish should automatically recover. 10% water changes don't make ANY difference whatsoever, I suggest 30-50%.
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« Reply #5 on: December 21, 2010, 10:22:15 PM »

Thanks all for the insight. I did another partial water change, added StressZyme, water conditioner  and an ammonia detoxifier called Amquel Plus. Fish is doing a little better but not yet back to normal. I'll keep doing partial water changes
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« Reply #6 on: December 22, 2010, 05:09:18 AM »

Good idea Smiley Did you have a test kit for pH, ammonia, nitrite and nitrates? Or only for some of the parameters?
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« Reply #7 on: December 26, 2010, 11:14:47 PM »

It appears that my goldfish is having a hard time getting oxygen. It stays at the top of the tank gasping for oxygen. Over the past two days there have been shifts in PH from above 7.5 to 6 (I got bad advice from a pet store to use PH down). I did a 30% water change today (Sunday) and also put API Proper ph 7.5 in and it seems to be getting ph back up to 6.8. Ammonia level is about .5. Also, one of my two goldfish died yesterday. Remaining goldfish doesn't have an appetite.

 I am going away on Tuesday and will be using an autofeeder and just want to have the water in the best condition possible while I'm away for 5 days. Should I be doing anything more or should I just let the water cycle?

Also, I used a Quick Dip Test strip to otherwise test water:
Nitrate  0
Nitrite    0
GH  0 ppm
Chlorine 0
KH  approx 100
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« Reply #8 on: December 26, 2010, 11:24:03 PM »

jlc, so sorry to hear that.
Ammonia should be 0ppm, also with Nitrite and Nitrate 0ppm your tank is not cycled at all.
A fully cycled tank has 0 ammonia, 0nitrites and ideally 10-20ppm Nitrates. ( those ones shouldn't be higher than 40ppm )

The fluctuation in pH stresses the fish.

How did you use that pH down? ( I use it, because our tap water is pH8 and above )

test strips are not accurate... but better than nothing.
If you can get yourself a liquid teast, the best value for you money you'll get with API MasterTestKit for freshwater.

I doubt that using an Automatic feeder is a good idea in this case, as your fish doesn't eat at all. The food would pollute the water.

Normally fish can go without food for 2 weeks, especially if you have live plants in your tank, they'll nibble on them and on algae.

Your tank MUST cycle. Do you use beneficial bacteria?
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« Reply #9 on: December 27, 2010, 03:41:25 AM »

If your tank isn't cycled, I wouldn't even worry about feeding them while you are away.
The biggest, most important thing is to get that tank cycled.
Feeding them will just add more load to your already sensitive eco-system.
Goldfish do best in pH around 7.4 but they can live in pH of around 8 just fine.
Mine sure are thriving and some are around 12 years old and our pH is around 7.8-8.0
I never have adjusted mine for the goldfish but for the tropicals, when I do a water change I add just one dose of pH down. Smiley
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« Reply #10 on: December 27, 2010, 10:42:11 PM »

Ammonia level went back up so I did a 30% water change. Put in STress Zyme, Aquarium Salt and Stress Coat. I am going to stop the auto feeder and get a live plant for the fish to feed off of for the next five days while I'm away.

If anyone has suggestions on how to prep the aquarium for my 5 day trip, I'm certainly open to advice.

Thanks.
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« Reply #11 on: December 27, 2010, 11:01:59 PM »

If you can, add Zeolithe to your filtermedia ( it is known to absorb ammonia ) also more beneficial bacteria.
I'd do a 50% waterchange adding stresszyme and stresscoat, but I wouldn't overdo it with salt.

How are your readings for Ammonia, Nitrite,Nitrate and pH?

Definitely stop the autofeeder.
As far as plants go, fish like to dine with Ambulia and Hornworth.
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« Reply #12 on: December 27, 2010, 11:37:47 PM »

You can't use salt if you are using zeolite.  The salt will make the ammonia leech back out from the zeolite, back into the tank.
That's how you re-charge zeolite, soak it in salt water for 24 hours, rinse and you can re-use. Smiley
I would also consider, increasing aeration while you are gone.
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« Reply #13 on: December 27, 2010, 11:45:55 PM »

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You can't use salt if you are using zeolite.  The salt will make the ammonia leech back out from the zeolite, back into the tank.
That's how you re-charge zeolite, soak it in salt water for 24 hours, rinse and you can re-use. Smiley
I would also consider, increasing aeration while you are gone.

AHA, Minde, Thankies for this info, I didn't know Zeolithe can be recharged... learned sth again.
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« Reply #14 on: December 30, 2010, 06:19:25 PM »

Prior to leaving for vacation, I stopped the autofeeder, got an air pump and started to oxygenate the water and also put a live plant in the tank. The fish seemed to stabilize almost immediately. Hopefully it will be alive when I get back in a few days and I will try to introduce Zeolite into the process.

Thanks again for everyone's advice.
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« Reply #15 on: December 31, 2010, 05:32:43 AM »

It will probably do really good since there won't be as much ammonia created as usual since no food is involved for a while Smiley
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« Reply #16 on: January 04, 2011, 10:50:31 PM »

I'm back again. My fish survived my 5 day vacation by nibbling on the live plant. However, I tested the water when I returned and the ammonia level was 4+ppms. The fish also developed black patches on its gills and black streaks on its tail. I believe it's ammonia burn. The fish however seems to have stabilized and is eating.

Upon returning from vacation, I immediately did a 50% water change, added stress coat and stresszyme. The following day the ammonia level was a little lower (approx 3.5ppm). I added a product called Amquel. Today Ammonia is still 3+ppms.

Is there anything I can do to treat the balck patches and streaks?

Should I continue to do water changes to get the ammonia level down or should I continue to add the Ammonia detoxifier and continue to let the tank cycle?

Thanks you all again for your help.
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« Reply #17 on: January 04, 2011, 11:46:50 PM »

How did your ammonia get so high so quickly? That is insane! But if ammonia detoxifier is what I think it is, stop using it!!! It may be giving you false readings and does not help at all! Please just do a water change every day until ammonia is zero, add the stress coat and stress zyme with each water change and make sure there is lots of aeriation!!

You need to get rid of the ammonia in order for your fish to get better, you could also try adding some aquarium salt or melafix to your tank. But I would suggest just to stick to the 50% water changes EVERY day until ammonia is zero. Add lots of beneficial bacteria and your fish should get better with perfect water, if not then look into treating them.
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Re: Help!
« Reply #18 on: January 05, 2011, 12:49:04 AM »

Thanks Andrea. I just did the 50% water change plus Stress Coat, Stress Zyme and aquarium salt.
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« Reply #19 on: January 05, 2011, 01:04:30 AM »

Sorry if you have already mentioned this somewhere else. But what kind of filter are you using on your tank?
Your filter may be an indication of why the ammonia levels are reaching such high levels in a short period of time.

But yes as everyone has said 50% water changes daily are the most important thing you need to do until the ammonia levels are safe.
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« Reply #20 on: January 05, 2011, 05:53:45 AM »

I agree with Abbie,
You may need to look into a bigger filter to handle the bio-load better.
Did you know that 75% of ammonia comes from fish just "breathing" through their gills?  and only 25% ammonia is excreted through their waste?  That is why a bigger filter might be in order.  Do you know how many gallons per hour your filter puts out?
You need AT LEAST 100 but more would be better since you are over crowded.  So, you are always going to struggle with water chemistry until you get a bigger tank and or bigger filter for your goldies. Smiley
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« Reply #21 on: January 05, 2011, 06:44:49 AM »

The tank is already crowded, so it's understandable that it won't cycle normally... two goldfish in a 10 gallon is pretty bad in itself.
I'm pretty sure the only thing that will help will be regular and frequent water changes.

Are you looking for a bigger tank for your fish?
Again, rather save money for that since you'll need to buy a new filter for that anyway, so buying another one for the 10 gallon would be a big waste of money and time.
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« Reply #22 on: January 05, 2011, 07:26:21 AM »

It's not a waste of time to buy a bigger filter, when he could always use it on the bigger tank.
You may even want to buy a small internal filter or  sponge filter to handle the extra bio-load.
You can hook a sponge filter or internal filter right up to an air pump. Smiley
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« Reply #23 on: January 05, 2011, 09:06:42 AM »

Actually one of the fish died as they said in an above post. SO that means there is only 1 fish in a 10 gallon now which should not be causing such high ammonia levels. I believe it has everything to do with the filter and the fact the tank might not be properly cycled.
So jlc let us know what filter you have so we can let you know if it is good enough for your tank size.
And if you do not have a filter I suggest you buy one immediately as your fish will not live for much longer without one.
All pet shops sell them Smiley
Make sure you read the box as it will tell you how big of an aquarium it is suited too. I would suggest that you get a filter that is recommended for a 20 gallon tank as this will provide better filtration and then if you ever want a bigger tank to add another fish then you do not have to buy another filter. But if you can't afford a more expensive one then a 10 gallon filter will suffice.

Let us know what you end up doing Smiley

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« Reply #24 on: January 06, 2011, 04:54:02 PM »

I'm using an Aqueon CA10 filter. It's the filter that was included when I purchased the tank.

So I'm clear, I am going to continue to do daily water changes until the ammonia level is under control. At that point, I will continue to monitor PH and ammonia levels on a daily basis and only do partial changes on a weekly basis so the aquarium can properly cycle.
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« Reply #25 on: January 06, 2011, 04:57:49 PM »

Yes, and don't forget to add beneficial bacteria booster right into the filter media when ever you do a water change. Wink
You're doing great! Smiley
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« Reply #26 on: January 06, 2011, 05:25:44 PM »

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At that point, I will continue to monitor PH and ammonia levels on a daily basis and only do partial changes on a weekly basis so the aquarium can properly cycle.

The most important water parameters to monitor are:
1. Ammonia
2. Nitrites
3. Nitrates

These are THE parameters which show you the progress of cycling. And are IMPORTANT for you to keep track of them.

According to pH the MOST important thing that it is STABLE and doesn't fluctuate.
Ideally for goldfish is a pH 7.2-7.4 but they really can take higher or lower levels, it is just what they are adapted to from the very start. But you don't want to be below 6.8 or above 8.2
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Re: Help!
« Reply #27 on: January 21, 2011, 07:24:47 AM »

hiya every1 i need help on this , iv noticed there is abit of blood on my goldfish's fang how do i treat it and how did it have that?
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« Reply #28 on: January 21, 2011, 01:41:22 PM »

Test the water. Post results here, along with more useful info so that we can try to figure out what's wrong with the fish.
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« Reply #29 on: January 22, 2011, 04:04:19 AM »

Fang?
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