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Kaiileighh
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HELP! Telescope-eyed Goldfish problems!
« on: April 30, 2011, 06:51:47 PM »

Okay, this past Tuesday, I purchased two telescope eyed goldfish. I was assured at the store that they did not need a filter, or heater, and they gave me pellets instead of flakes. Now, one of the goldfish as of two days ago, began floating sideways on the bottom of the tank. Slowly, he has been moving less and less. yesterday he was gasping for breath very heavily, and today he seems to be breathing normally. I did a 100% water change this morning, and he seems to be a little better. He also is developing white fuzzy stuff on his fins. I do not believe it is the water at all, because my second goldfish is doing perfect(And she's pregnant!). My healthy goldfish frequently pushed the sick on up, by wiggling underneath him and forcing him up, but he just floats back down. When he does move, it seems like his shivering more than he is wiggling. Please help! I have attached a photo of how he just sits at the bottom :/
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Kaiileighh
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Re: HELP! Telescope-eyed Goldfish problems!
« Reply #1 on: April 30, 2011, 07:40:32 PM »

As of now, he doesn't swim at all ): Since I don't have a filter, or anything to help aerate the water, I was told that stirring up the water and putting bubbles in will help. Tweek, my afflicted goldfish, used to swim around with the current, but now he just floats. One of his fins works, but it doesn't help him at all. ):
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Kaiileighh
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Re: HELP! Telescope-eyed Goldfish problems!
« Reply #2 on: April 30, 2011, 08:06:21 PM »

Sorry! forgot this early...


1. How big is your tank:  10 gal.

2. For how long has the tank been set up: 5 days

3. How many fish: Two telescope-eyed goldfish

4. What kinf of fish: ^

5. What are the water parameters:    Ammonia.........ppm
                                                            Nitrite..............ppm
                                                            Nitrate.............ppm
                                                            pH.......................... 7 pH
                                                            Temp...............degrees Celsius / Fahrenheit

6. How often do you perform water changes: I did a 100% water change today, because the water was cloudy, and about 40-30% yesterday

7. How big are your waterchanges:      20-40% depending on the water clarity and such.

8. What kind of waterconditioner are you using: First Step water conditioner

9. Do you add beneficial bacteria: No

10. Symptoms your fish is showing: Floating sideways on the bottom of the tank; not swimming.

11. Since when does your fish show these symptoms:    It has been two days

12. How is the normal behaviour of your fish: He was always very erratic and happy

13. How do the other fish behave: The other fish is the same kind, telescope-eyed, and pregnant, and she is perfectly healthy

14. Post pics of the sick fish: See first post.

15. Do you have a filter on your tank, what kind, how big (gallons per hour) Not as of yet

16. Do you provide extra aeration with an air pump and air stone/diffuser of some kind. No, but I have been stirring up the water frequently to create bubbles. At first that helped, but now Tweek doesn't do anything...
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Summer Time
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Re: HELP! Telescope-eyed Goldfish problems!
« Reply #3 on: April 30, 2011, 10:43:53 PM »

Hi.  Your fish is beautiful.  Sorry he is sick.

Your tank is cycling, which takes time and can be very hard on the fish. You seriously need to get a filter soon. An air stone would be nice too. Goldfish are always creating ammonia and will be poisoned if the tank hasn't cycled. You can get some Prime and add that for now, until your tank stabilizes.

He could have a swim bladder issue, be constipated, or have a virus or bacterial disease.  Most problems are caused by poor water quality or a bad diet.
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Novaguin
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Re: HELP! Telescope-eyed Goldfish problems!
« Reply #4 on: May 01, 2011, 05:12:14 AM »

Also, be sure to never do 100% water changes. No matter how cloudy the water looks, it's better that it look cloudy but contain some beneficial bacteria in it than to look crystal clear and have nothing in it, effectively restarting the cycling process.
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Kaiileighh
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Re: HELP! Telescope-eyed Goldfish problems!
« Reply #5 on: May 01, 2011, 06:09:32 AM »

What should I get for fin rot? Because I believe both fish have it. The gold one, its on his tail, and my other fish has a small spot on her tail, but she's still fine.
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Re: HELP! Telescope-eyed Goldfish problems!
« Reply #6 on: May 03, 2011, 11:04:04 AM »

The goldfish you have is a Celestial goldfish Smiley They're adorable Wink But they are pretty hard to care for, and they are a lot more sensitive than a fantail, for instance. You need to buy a proper filter asap, and it would be ideal if you could get a 20 gallon tank from somewhere to accommodate the two darlings! These can't handle too strong currents, so if you buy a powerful filter, make sure you place a sponge in front of intake/outtake or buy a filter where you can regulate the flow.

Now, the problem here, is probably that your poor baby is being badly attacked by the ammonia present in your tank since you're not adding any beneficial bacteria. So the most important thing to do for now is to get the water quality in check! Buy yourself a test kit so you can test the ammonia, nitrite and nitrate (I noticed you already have a pH test). Next, do water changes 2-3 times a week, but pretty small ones, about 25-30% while it's cycling. Some gravel would provide breeding grounds for more beneficial bacteria and give your goldfish a more natural environment to live in Smiley Get them some plants for hiding places as well.

If you're sure that the fish have fin rot as well (from the looks of the picture, they do) you will need to treat them with anti-bacterial medicine, but that will also disrupt the cycle of the tank, so you'll need to be VERY observant while treating. Add some zeolithe to the filter if needed, it will absorb the ammonia.

I really wish you luck with those goldies!! Smiley Hope everything turns out fine, it could be a lot worse.
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Bel
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Re: HELP! Telescope-eyed Goldfish problems!
« Reply #7 on: May 03, 2011, 03:33:57 PM »

The bacteria does not live in the water.  You can change as much water as needed but there is never going to be a cycle without a filter on the tank.   Goldfish need great filtration because they produce so much waste.  Gravel is not necessary and I only have a very small amount in my own tank, doesn't even cover the bottom now.  Gravel is where a lot of nasties hide and can cause problems honestly.  Once you get a filter you can begin your cycle.  If your filtration system only has one pad then you can usually fit a second pad in the back part of the filter.  The reason I would do this is because you never want to throw away all the good bacteria once its on the filter sponge/pad.  I have 2 pads plus 2 bio-wheels and a sponge filter on my tank but its a much larger tank so I don't have to worry about this part but you may with a smaller system.  If you have the 2 pads then you can replace one at a time once they are really bad, mainly just rinse them in TANK water only every week when doing weekly water changes once your cycle is done.   During the cycle you are going to need to do huge water changes and use PRIME as your water conditioner to neutralize the ammonia and nitrite.  I would do around 70% water change every other day at least till your tank has cycled because of it being too small and having 2 goldfish in there.   Melafix will help heal the fin rot but I'm not sure if they can handle any medication at this time.  First get the water as clean as possible and get the filter then you could medicate but don't over it.  Something harsh can do more harm than good.   You have no cycle going right now so don't worry about that part. 
Good luck.  Smiley
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Re: HELP! Telescope-eyed Goldfish problems!
« Reply #8 on: May 08, 2011, 06:34:51 PM »

Fancy the pet store saying you didn't need a filter!  Angry Filters are vital...I repeat, VITAL for fish health. I echo Bel's advice to use Prime. It will help protect your fish while cycling.

Beautiful fish, btw. Though gravel can cause problems if not maintained, it houses beneficial bacteria and goldies enjoy foraging for food in it.  However, a bare-bottomed tank is best for fish with delicate eyes.
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