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Moor
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Hey Guys
« on: November 20, 2011, 01:39:51 AM »

Hey guys I am extremely new to the forums and have only recently gone into keeping fish as I won a fish in a school fair.

I had won a comet and just today had bought a moor, I was not aware that they do not live together very well as my Moor is not getting much food, I know it would be wise to buy another tank but this is firstly expensive and I want my 2 fishes to have a happy life with plenty of company.

I love my moor very much and I want it to obviously be eating, how can I allow it to eat while my comet is in the tank (BTW Its actually a relatively small bowl)

BTW Moor (Summer)
Comet (Dizzy)
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cheri_alexander
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« Reply #1 on: November 20, 2011, 03:18:48 AM »

Goldfish absolutley can not live in a bowl. You must get at LEAST 20 gallons with proper filtration if you want to keep these two fish. I can not stress this enough. Fish produce ammonia as waste, it is toxic for them to live in. They need a filter and at least 10 gallons per fish. They will almost certainly die if kept in a bowl. Besides all that your common can grow to 12"!! IT CAN NOT LIVE IN A BOWL!
As for your question: You are correct that these types of fish will not do well together. Even with other fancy goldfish the moor is at a disadvantage. For today you can try hand-feeding (scrub your hand without soap first) and soak your pellets or flakes so they will sink, both my moor-type fish prefer to eat of the ground.
First thing tomorrow do a large water change (you do have water conditioner I'm hoping?) then immediately go and buy a tank, or two if you want to do right by them.
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Moor
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« Reply #2 on: November 20, 2011, 03:39:55 AM »

How much is a galon?

Is it true the moors eat stuff from the rocks at the bottom of the tank/bowl ? because my moor does that all the time
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« Reply #3 on: November 20, 2011, 03:50:33 AM »

Oh sorry do you go by liters? It's like 4 liters in one gallon so you need....80 liters.
Yes all goldfish scavenge from the gravel, mine spend most their time doing that.
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Moor
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« Reply #4 on: November 20, 2011, 04:09:37 AM »

80 litres??? Thats alot!

Also my moor keeps running into the sides of the bowl, quite hilarious but I doubt its having a good time normal for a moor?


Also you said fishes wouldnt last long in a bowl.. my parents informed me that when I was about 4 they had kept fish and apparently I had one too (must of forgotten) and we had about 5 they lived in a bowl about 2 litres and they lived for about 3 years before they died due to my aunty giving them tap water. ? Yes they were goldfish
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cheri_alexander
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« Reply #5 on: November 20, 2011, 04:40:58 AM »

Look I'm not trying to be mean but it's absolutely cruel to treat your pets this way. They're animals not toys. I'm sure by tomorrow everyone else on the forum will tell you the same thing. Find a home for the fish if you can't care for them, and 80 liters isn't a lot, it's the absolute minimum.
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Moor
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« Reply #6 on: November 20, 2011, 04:56:18 AM »

Ok, just wondering why do my fish keep going to the top of the tank and stick their heads out? Their like breathing air!
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cheri_alexander
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« Reply #7 on: November 20, 2011, 05:01:02 AM »

This must be a sick joke yeah? They are dying either from lack of air or ammonia poisoning!!! And btw a three year old fish should be about the size of your hand, there is no way your parents had five healthy three year old fish in two liters!
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fantailer
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« Reply #8 on: November 20, 2011, 05:35:23 AM »

A goldfish can live to easily be 20 years old. The record was 40 years old.

They are going to the surface because there isnt enough oxygen in the water Id suggest you take out half of the water and replace it with dechlorinized water.
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« Reply #9 on: November 20, 2011, 08:03:54 AM »

I agree with cheri, I do hope you're joking.

And get them a 100 liter tank, these are pathetically small tanks anyway, especially for goldfish.
If your fish are crashing into the sides of the bowl they're obviously not happy there and they are slowly suffocating, like the other posters said. And please don't keep the moor with the comet, he'll be dead in no time.
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« Reply #10 on: November 20, 2011, 12:22:36 PM »

Hi Moor as it has already been mentioned bowls are pretty bad for goldfish, the reason for this is because bowls generally tend to be too small and the surface area at the top of a bowl, is also very very small, so they won't get much oxygen, this is why your fish are sticking their heads out at the top, so they can get oxygen, which I might add, is a pretty bad sign and means they are not happy.

As for the goldfish living for 3 years in a bowl, they may have survived this way, but they wouldn't have thrived and been happy.

Okay so that aside a comet and a moor... The others have already mentioned it can be difficult keeping them together, the reason is that as you may have already noticed moors have bad eye sight and are rather slow movers, whereas comets on the other hand are pretty fast and will eat all the food before the moor gets a chance. While you have them together, I would suggest hand feeding the moor, so hold some food in front of it so it can see it and just make sure the comet doesn't get any, maybe give him so food as a distraction while you feed the moor.

Now buying a tank suitable for these fish...
A moor being a fancy variety will need a tank that is around 40 litres minimum.

As for a comet, these guys can grow to around 10 inches, so will need a little more space than a slow moving moor. I would suggest at least a tank size of around 40 - 80 litres for the comet, you will need to buy a bigger tank later as he grows, so keep this in mind okay? Ultimately you want 180 litres for the comet when he is full sized, so unless you can afford to get a tank this big off the bat, I'd suggest getting a slightly smaller one and then upgrading as he gets bigger.

Now I know this is a lot of information to take in and it may seem a bit silly for goldfish to have so much space. But the reason stocking levels are what they are, is because goldfish not only grow quite large but they also give off a lot of waste, they pretty much live in their own toilet. So the more space you give them, the less concentrated the waste is and the happier and healthier they are.

Perhaps talk to your parents and see what the best options are, with the information we've given you in mind. If you are un-able to look after them properly, please give them to someone who can, such as a pet shop or someone you know who is experienced with fish. Keep us updated and I hope you can get something sorted out soon  Smiley
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« Reply #11 on: November 20, 2011, 08:06:06 PM »

Welcome to the forum, Moor, and as to your fish's situation, everyone pretty much covered it. I would add that when your moor is "running into the sides of the bowl" it is NOT having a good time. In fact, it is having a bad time. This wild darting around and crashing into things is known as flashing. Flashing occurs when a fish is irritated and unhappy...quite the opposite of what you thought. Water quality is extremely important to goldfish, and because you have such an over-crowded, over-fed, under-cleaned area you are keeping fish in, polutants are sky-rocketing and literally poisoning your fish. Fish are also known to "gulp air" at the surface of the water when ammonia (the poison) levels are high and oxygen levels are low, like Skwishee said. Moors can grow anywhere from 6-8 inches long, and commets even longer, so obviously they wouldn't be happy in a bowl. In fact, they would get stunted, meaning they would die from not having enough room to grow.

I hope you will consider giving the fish a bigger, filtered home where the fish can thrive and not be suffering, or if you can't, than give them to someone who can.
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Re: Hey Guys
« Reply #12 on: November 21, 2011, 12:40:43 AM »

How expensive would a 100litre tank be?
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« Reply #13 on: November 21, 2011, 04:39:33 AM »

That all depends on the shop and where you are. Around here, you could easily get a 100 liter without stand, but with gravel, lights, heater and filtration (usually bad filter so you'd get discount on getting a bigger one) for maybe 100-150. If you'd get one with a stand, it might end up being 200-300, and if you'd buy a used tank from a shop or from some online buy-sell site, you could probably get the tank for half the price I mentioned.
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« Reply #14 on: November 21, 2011, 05:07:50 AM »

But if you go to the 1$ per gallon sale at petco you can get it for 25$.
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« Reply #15 on: November 21, 2011, 10:39:15 AM »

$1 per gallon sale?? What sale is this fantailer?
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« Reply #16 on: November 22, 2011, 04:33:13 AM »

I've heard that petco have those pretty regularly?
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« Reply #17 on: November 22, 2011, 05:46:08 AM »

Yeah thats how I got my big tank.
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« Reply #18 on: November 22, 2011, 10:47:31 AM »

How regularly??  Wink hehe
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Skwishee
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« Reply #19 on: November 22, 2011, 02:24:15 PM »

*Sigh* How I wish they would 1 per gallon sales over here....  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #20 on: November 22, 2011, 03:17:40 PM »

Haha aww  Tongue
So uh, moor, please come back and let us help your fish....
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« Reply #21 on: November 23, 2011, 05:52:11 AM »

I think it goes twice a year. It went aroud last easter and infact its also happening right now where I live
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« Reply #22 on: November 23, 2011, 12:21:32 PM »

I'll have to look  Grin
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