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koi girl
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new member, hello !
« on: September 26, 2011, 03:42:02 AM »


Hi everyone !

I will soon be setting up a 75 gallon long glass aquarium. I currently have a small " herd " of one goldfish * fantail, and 4 small koi. They are living in a outdoor whisky barrel pond with a filter, plants and gravel. They are doing well, but we are getting cooler at night now and I plan to bring them indoors for the winter, plans to build an outdoor pond next spring.

I want to get a  filter that can handle a 75 gallon tank with 5 fish. Many years ago I had an aquarium and kept many types of fish, from fancy goldfish to discus and angels, to ciclids. Its been a long time though and I have alot to learn. Ive already decided to buy a canister type of filter and have been reading about the different types here. Im sure I will have a million questions and thanks already for all the good reading I have done so far since finding this forum.

So, where do I order a filter and what brand is going to provide my fish with the best filteration ? I have a local small pet store but the owner is not too knowledgable and there is also a Pet Co. about an hours drive from here.
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koi girl
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« Reply #1 on: September 26, 2011, 04:07:00 AM »

ok, I found an cannister filter the Ehern Classic ( spelling sorry ) and it says that it pumps from 92-150 gallons. Since my tank is a 75 gallon, will this be to much, ok, or not enough ? Its priced at 150.00 w/ free shipping also. Advice on this system, what else I will need or Huh Thanks !
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« Reply #2 on: September 26, 2011, 04:20:50 AM »

Ehein. Duh, time to go to bed.....I wasnt even close. Amazon has it for 10 bucks cheaper. Now I need to know if this is the right kind for what Im doing and what to order with it.  Thanks for all info !
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Re: new member, hello !
« Reply #3 on: September 26, 2011, 05:36:18 AM »

Hello and welcome!
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Nossie
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« Reply #4 on: September 26, 2011, 06:19:18 AM »

That filter is a tad too small. You'll want something that filters 10 times the tank volume per hour. So try finding something that deals with 750gph Smiley Or buy an internal filter to support the external one.

Koi aren't suitable for aquariums, they should be housed in really big ponds (so I don't think a barrel pond is suitable either.) Koi grow to be incredibly big compared to goldfish, and they should be kept in the big pond all year round to make sure that they stay healthy. Small environments (relatively small for a koi) will stunt their growth, just as it does with anything kept in insufficient space.
Not to mention that you have these together with a fancy goldfish. A fantail will most likely be bullied and become undernourished being kept with fish that are much faster and stronger than the goldfish. A fantail should be kept with other egg-shaped fancy goldfish, the only goldfish that may make it with koi are commons, comets and shubunkins.

So I suggest giving the koi back to the shop or to someone with a pond big enough for the fish Smiley
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« Reply #5 on: September 26, 2011, 12:27:08 PM »

for what the Eheim cost you could get two of these and turn 1000 gph.
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Don't get me wrong, Eheims rock, but they are expensive.

I have good luck with these.
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koi girl
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« Reply #6 on: September 26, 2011, 01:36:46 PM »

Wow. I didnt know that my first post would have me being told to take back my 4 fish.

Like I said, the master plan is to build a pond for them in the spring. This 75 gallon tank is temporary housing for them over the winter.

The goldfish is healthy, happy and not being bullied. The small group of fish I have right now get frequent water changes, a variety of food including fresh. Live plants, aireation and a filter which I clean often. The koi are small and were bought that way on purpose. By spring, they should blend in well to an outdoor pond and I planned on keeping the goldie inside and adding a few others to that situation.

I will have to rethink the filter I guess. I want to get going on setting up this tank so it has time to cycle and be ready before we get a hard freeze. I have a submerged type heater thats rated for a 75 gallon tank, but was a bit worried about dropping it in the outdoor barrel one so most of the concern is about our warm days and progressive colder nights.
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« Reply #7 on: September 26, 2011, 04:36:04 PM »

How small are the koi? If they will be going into an adequate pond soon they should be fine.

I do like the Eheim line myself, had a 2217 for 15 years. It has just gotten to where you can get stuff much cheaper these days.

Heaters aren't needed for goldfish/koi. They can tolerate  very cold conditions and in fact prefer cooler water. I have seen ponds ice over and the goldfish be just fine. If you do use a heater set it to a low temp.


Keep in mind, you have joined a site of true goldfish fanatics. They see people every day come on and tell them about how they have fish in what is considered to be too small of a tank. I've only been on a few weeks and have seen several myself. Sometimes emotions get the best of us we just say "you should take them back".

A 75 isn't big enough for Koi to live out their life in, but if they are small and it is temporary you should be just fine.
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« Reply #8 on: September 26, 2011, 09:45:39 PM »

Thank-you for your kind post. Have to admit to feeling like i was doing something wrong with a 75 gallon aquarium with the best filter I could get, for a temporary indoor habitat for 5-6 little koi and a goldfish for the winter. I did mention that we were building a pond, but fall is fast here and our temps range between 86 * today ( record warmth ) to low 40's at night. I was not so concerned about the cold water then the range of warm to cold temp for the fish, daily. We are in UT, and have a whopper winter for a few months.

I am taking all comments to mind and will do some real soul searching about my plan. If I were to offer the fish to our local pet store, they would jump at the chance to take them......even though Im pretty sure most will end up in some bowl in a kids room.    Ugggg.  They are happy, playful, eating well and have a beautiful enviorment now, but if its not in their best interest, then Peter, Paul and Janice ( dont ask ) Bob Dylan, Ozzie and Lady GaGa will be rehomed.
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« Reply #9 on: September 27, 2011, 02:12:42 AM »

In that case, start planning a giant pond for the koi, and keep the fantail in the 75 gal Cheesy Fancy goldfish usually get fungal infections or swim bladder disorder from being left in the pond over winters. And the fact that the koi aren't bullying it now is no proof of anything since they're still small. (I had one of my orandas killed by pet shop people who got the bright idea to add koi to his tank...)

Dragonii: I'm sorry, but I haven't let my emotions get anywhere. It's just easiest to simply give the possibly unsuitable fish back so someone else could get them that could handle them, right?? Before they are stunted, hurt or sick. I know this person has a lot of experience by the sound of it, but koi aren't goldfish, and goldfish aren't tropicals. I also suggested making them a pond of suitable size before adding that they should be given away if that can't be done. Really, stop accusing me and others on the forum of being angry or fanatical etc :/
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« Reply #10 on: September 27, 2011, 10:47:42 AM »

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Really, stop accusing me and others on the forum of being angry or fanatical etc :/

Wasn't trying to offend anyone Nossie. I was just saying that people are passionate about the care of animals and when we see people on a daily basis getting in over their heads it is sometimes easy to jump straight to "take them back". I myself find that I feel that way sometimes after seeing the third post of the day where someone jumped before looking.
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