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Skwishee
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How cold is too cold?
« on: December 06, 2011, 08:54:57 AM »

Hey guys,

I re call asking similar questions about this, but can't remember which thread it was in XD

Basically Lucky's tank is doing okay, water quality is fine and she's doing well. We have heating on in the house in the mornings and evenings, although I've noticed this afternoon when I came home for an hour or two at lunch, that her tank is currently roughly at 16 degrees Celsius, not the usual 18/20 C her tank normally is.

I'm a little worried about how much lower it will get this winter, so I just wanted to re-affirm about eating habits and such as I've been looking around and one place even said, that in temperatures under 15 degrees, the goldfish will die?! It's mentioned on this website - (Link is not visible to guests. Please register to view.)
I am very suspect of the article though... seems a bit strange and controversial to the impression I've had of goldfish and cold water.

What temperatures should I be looking out for? Should I start to ease off on the feeding any time soon?

Luckily when I get my Dads tank at the end of the month, that has a heater, which will definitely be helpful in January! But until then, what's the best thing to do for her?

Thanks!
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scrivens345
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Re: How cold is too cold?
« Reply #1 on: December 06, 2011, 11:19:50 AM »

Goldfish survive in outside ponds in British winters, so Lucky will be OK .  If in doubt a 75W heater would help you keep a nice temperature for him/her. Goldfish of breeding age can be stimulated into breeding by seasonal changes in temperature, and for that reason many aquarists think letting the tank become colder in winter is a positive thing.
 
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Re: How cold is too cold?
« Reply #2 on: December 06, 2011, 03:06:42 PM »

As long as the water doesn't freeze over, the fish will survive! Not to mention that this is a common you've got over there.
But if you expect the water to get colder than 15 degrees (which is pretty strange since you're still keeping her indoors Huh), it might be a good idea to feed her just once a day until you'll get the heater Smiley
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Re: How cold is too cold?
« Reply #3 on: December 06, 2011, 04:33:27 PM »

Ah okay thanks guys! I was just a little worried, the room has been a little chilly in here, even with the heating on (it's because my partner used to have his computer on a lot, but his away now so the computers off during the day and doesn't give that extra bit of heat in the room anymore XD)

I was really more concerned about when I go away and I'm not around to keep an eye on her and the tank. Not to mention cold water from the tap is getting... well chillier really. Perhaps I should start getting it from the hot tap and letting it cool instead? But then I think, heck it's just going to cool down anyway, because it's a small tank, not much water. So messing with the hot tap will probably just make more temperature fluctuations, which is just bad in general from what I've gathered!
I just don't want to come home to a dead fish  Embarrassed

I'll see how it goes, I'm not going anywhere for another 2 weeks, so I'll keep an eye on it.
I know in ponds of 4 foot depth, the water never goes below 4 degrees Celsius, but I'm just being paranoid because there isn't a huge volume of water. Mind you I suppose it would take a lot for the tank to get THAT cold, so maybe I'll just leave her be and start feeding her less if the water goes below it's current 16 degrees Celsius.

Nossie I know I must sound a little crazy, but this room was so cold this afternoon XD I was sat here in my hoody.
Infact right now I have like 3 tops on and a hoody! I wish I could throw her in a scarf or something  Cheesy
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Re: How cold is too cold?
« Reply #4 on: December 07, 2011, 12:03:45 PM »

You could just put a little bit warmer water in the tank, if you'd like, Lucky probably wouldn't mind.
There's a goldfish in that tank, not a little sensitive tropical fish, you'll most likely never come home to a dead fish as long as you'll change the water and hide the food before you go Wink

Heh, my parents' place was so **** cold for a long time, about 17 degrees indoors, max. Guess who was walking around with double layers of clothing and knitted socks then? Cheesy (Mom and dad were saving on the bill Tongue)
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Re: How cold is too cold?
« Reply #5 on: December 07, 2011, 06:17:54 PM »

Hahaha the food will be under lock and key Wink

I'm already planning on doing a massive clean and water change the night before I leave, so no worries there  Smiley
But she is going to be a grumpy and hungry madam when I get back after that week though! I will not be surprised if she tries to nibble my arm off when I do the water change upon returning!
I wonder if she'll get lonely in the empty house?

I think I'll not bother with the warmer water, it will only cool down to what the tank is now! Plus it would be hard to know when the right time to add the warm water would be, you know, before it gets too cold XD
Staying steady at 16 degrees celsius now, so I don't think it will get much lower. My only concern is the water change lowering the temperature. Maybe I'll prepare the water extra early this week and give it a few days to warm up!
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Re: How cold is too cold?
« Reply #6 on: December 07, 2011, 06:25:01 PM »

Have you not got an automatic feeder?
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Re: How cold is too cold?
« Reply #7 on: December 08, 2011, 02:16:39 AM »

thats something I have often thought about Scrivens, cheers for posting, I was wondering how reliable those autofeeder's are, do you use one, have you been using it for a while? also how is it powered?... I would be interested to know. Thanks.

and Scrivens your byline reminded me of this little bit of useless info that I heard the other day, thought I would share... there is this fear called Anatidaephobia the fear that somewhere, somehow, a duck is watching you! hehe... I first seen it in a far side cartoon, it made me laugh a lot... probably because I can relate as I have ducks and they dont miss seeing or hearing much, I also noticed there is a group devoted to Anatidaephobia on facebook too. Cheers all.

Just had a look around online, there is a lot of talk about it and it appears Gary Larson (Far side) made it up, its a fictional phobia, sure makes me laugh when I think about it.
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Re: How cold is too cold?
« Reply #8 on: December 08, 2011, 04:09:05 AM »

Ron# you can get various models, but I have a basic battery-powered model, it feeds a small amount of flakes twice a day....I have had no problems, if anything mine slightly underfeeds( which is probably a good thing) mine was about 15.

you can get very sophisticated devices which can be set to give feeds at different times rates etc, but they are a lot more expensive

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Re: How cold is too cold?
« Reply #9 on: December 08, 2011, 05:57:18 AM »

Automatic Feeders huh? I've only had the tank for 3 months, so no, I don't have an automatic feeder....

I figured seeing as I'm only away for a week, she'd be fine to go without? They survive for up to 2 weeks without food in the wild don't they?

Not to mention I could always get a tasty plant for her instead?
I don't really go away from Cardiff that often and when I do it's usually only a weekend thing, this will be the first time all year really, that I'm going away for a week, so I'm not too sure on an automatic feeder when I'm really not away that often and when I am there's usually someone around in the house which could feed her.
But as its Christmas I think they're all away too.... will have to double check....
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Re: How cold is too cold?
« Reply #10 on: December 08, 2011, 11:00:40 AM »

Automatic feeders should be avoided!!
Adding a bunch of food to a tank when you're not there to watch the fish (in case there would be a nitrite or ammonia spike) could have awful consequences! D: (Not to mention in case something goes wrong with the device and it would suddenly dump too much food into the tank)
The fish will only feel better if they wouldn't eat for a few days. Goldfish can easily handle two weeks without food, the water quality is far more important when you're gone. If you'll be away for longer than two weeks, ask a neighbor or someone to feed the fish a small amount of food you already prepared in a little zip-top bag to avoid them overfeeding the fish Smiley You could also give them a few slices of zucchini to eat. This can easily be left in the tank for up to 48 hours for the fish to nibble on, and if you didn't put too much, it'd be perfect Smiley

Of course, I won't bash anyone who has an automatic feeder and finds them useful!! I just think it's safer and healthier to avoid Smiley
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Re: How cold is too cold?
« Reply #11 on: December 09, 2011, 04:29:44 AM »

Well all my house mates are away anyway and by the looks of things I'm the first one back here. So after seeing she was fine after her 3 day starve, due to that massive poop she did a while back, I'm sure an extra few days on top of that won't bother her too much, other than her being grouchy at me XD

I see what you mean Nossie, I have heard similar things about them... and I'd be a bit worried that with only one fish, an automatic feeder would over feed her. Plus I rarely go away for longer than a week (I think the last time I went away for 2 weeks was possibly Christmas this time last year!) and usually my partner or one of my house mates is around, it's only because it's Christmas and we're all going off to see families and such, that for once there won't be anyone around!

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« Reply #12 on: December 09, 2011, 06:29:55 PM »

Cheers Scrivens thanks for the link and answering my Q's about the auto-feeder. And Skwishee my fish get the grumps too when I miss a feed from being away, and if I am away for a while I do as Nossie says and measure the food out for each day I am away (one feed a day only) and have a someone feed them for me, at least they get something and I know they are not being overfed.
Cheers all.
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« Reply #13 on: December 10, 2011, 05:55:23 AM »

Yeah thanks for the help guys, I'm only away for 5 days or so, only 2 extra days to the 3 day fast she had quite recently, so I'm sure she'll be okay Smiley The tank temperature has dipped slightly under 16 degrees, but other than that it's staying around the same temperature.
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« Reply #14 on: December 10, 2011, 08:12:57 AM »

Sounds nice Smiley
Soon you'll have the big tank! Cheesy
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Re: How cold is too cold?
« Reply #15 on: December 21, 2011, 03:41:03 AM »

Hey guys just an interesting update.

Earlier in the month, with my partner being away I accidentally left his computer on over night, woke up the next day and surprise surprise the tank had gone back to 18 degrees from 16 degrees (who knew his computer heated the room that much?!).

And more recently since all my house mates have gone for christmas now (just me and the fish!), last night I shut all the windows and most of the doors in the house.
Lucky's tank is actually amazingly back up to almost 18 degrees, having dropped to almost 14 on Sunday after the water change!

I think the cause is my house mate, has a window open upstairs for her cat to get in and out, so at least I know that while I'm away, with all the windows and things shut, she will be fine  Cheesy
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Re: How cold is too cold?
« Reply #16 on: December 21, 2011, 09:06:53 AM »

Oh, nice! Cheesy 18 degrees should be perfect! Cheesy
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