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teetsymomo
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How do you know if it's fin rot?
« on: December 17, 2010, 06:27:18 PM »

Momo is always getting little dots on his fin, and then it vanishes. He had a big one yesterday, but then today I realized it was his fin that was torn and rolled. I tried to take a good picture, but the booger doesn't stay still. I don't want to treat for fin rot, if it's just a torn tail. I'm going to try to attach a decent picture, but he keeps moving around. I swear he has ADHD.

It's located on the lower back fin. Sorry I don't know the proper term of the fin.

The parameters are

ammonia 0.25
ph 6.8
Nitrites 0
Nitrates 0

the tank is still starting to cycle.
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teetsymomo
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Re: How do you know if it's fin rot?
« Reply #1 on: December 17, 2010, 06:28:00 PM »

I know the pictures are bad a fuzzy. I need a better camera.
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Re: How do you know if it's fin rot?
« Reply #2 on: December 17, 2010, 07:04:46 PM »

Your pH is acidic and needs to be brought up a little.
You have ammonia showing up.  That is quite irritating.
The fin might be just irritated by the ammonia.
Why is your pH so low?
Is it normally this low?
You need to do a 50% water change asap and add beneficial bacteria booster to your filter.
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teetsymomo
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Re: How do you know if it's fin rot?
« Reply #3 on: December 17, 2010, 07:16:19 PM »

The tank is starting to cycle. I'm not sure why the ph is so low. I'm at a loss and aside from doing a water change and beneficial bacteria (it's scheduled for today) I'm not sure what else to do. I  I'm going through the cycling process, but I was concerned with  his fin.
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Re: How do you know if it's fin rot?
« Reply #4 on: December 17, 2010, 07:23:25 PM »

I think I just figured out my problem. I went to add add the beneficial bacteria and noticed the bio wheels were not turning. The darn light from my hood, must have pushed the filter back and the wheels feel off track. It's running really good right now, so hopefully things will be back in proper order soon.
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Re: How do you know if it's fin rot?
« Reply #5 on: December 17, 2010, 07:25:14 PM »

Ok, if it comes and goes, I feel right now it has to do with water quality issues.
Change your water and see if that helps.
You might have to do 25% water changes every day or every other day at least to keep the ammonia down.
It's very hard on fish to go through a cycling tank and it isn't necessary to cycle a tank with fish in it.
But since you have chose to do it this way, it will be more work for you and more stress on the fish.
do you have pH up? or a simuliar product?
What is your tap water's normal pH?
Could you test it and find out?
If your tap water pH is above 7.0, your water change will help raise the pH.
Make sure to add a water condtioner to the water.
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Re: How do you know if it's fin rot?
« Reply #6 on: December 17, 2010, 07:26:20 PM »

Arghhh...That's what I don't like about those darn bio-wheeels.. Undecided
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Re: How do you know if it's fin rot?
« Reply #7 on: December 17, 2010, 07:34:48 PM »

Teensy,
If you win a fish from ken what are you going to do?
You can't put it in an uncycled tank.
It will die. Undecided
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Re: How do you know if it's fin rot?
« Reply #8 on: December 17, 2010, 07:41:36 PM »

We've already gotten outbid, so we don't need to worry about that. My tap ph is 7.0. I'm going to do a change later on today. The biowheel is starting to look a little grungy. Yippee.
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Re: How do you know if it's fin rot?
« Reply #9 on: December 17, 2010, 07:43:49 PM »

You are still winning the bid on the eggfish.
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Re: How do you know if it's fin rot?
« Reply #10 on: December 17, 2010, 08:14:59 PM »

No, that's not me
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Re: How do you know if it's fin rot?
« Reply #11 on: December 17, 2010, 08:17:44 PM »

This is definitely being caused by the ammonia if you ask me. Keep up the water changes, testing your water and adding the beneficial bacteria. Once that is sorted out, it should heal on it's own, if it doesn't just treat with some melafix Smiley
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Re: How do you know if it's fin rot?
« Reply #12 on: December 19, 2010, 03:36:32 AM »

Basic rule: most problems come from water quality issues.
Yes teetsy, please get this water right as already mentioned, monitor it every single day and if needed at this stage change it every single day to get nitrogens and pH right and add beneficial bacteria and conditioner. Pimafix and Melafix may do the trick in healing
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Re: How do you know if it's fin rot?
« Reply #13 on: December 19, 2010, 05:58:46 AM »

I agree with everyone else Cheesy

However, nobody really answered the question how you know if it's fin rot Smiley That's pretty easy to see as the tissue of the fins is deteriorating, sometimes if you wait long enough with the treatment, the ragged edges of the fins will end up getting a slightly whitish look, and you can see how the tissue is breaking down, sometimes the bony rays in the fins can be destroyed, and that's the point where they may not grow back anymore. Even if the fish would survive, the fins would have a strange shape for the rest of his life.
Fin rot is usually caused by bad water quality, in other words, your fish could get it if you won't be careful with the cycling tank, test the water daily, feed them only a few small pellets/fish every day and change water whenever necessary.
It my also turn into fin rot if the fishes' fins have been damaged by others' nipping behavior, as a secondary infection as either bacterial fin rot, or a fungal infection.

Here, you see that fin rot can attack only a small part of the fins in certain cases, but it's obvious to see that it's fin rot due to the whitish, uneven edges.
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This is what happens if you won't treat it in time, the fins will slowly be "eaten" and in time they'll be completely eaten away, but by then the fish is usually dead.
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It can be treated really easily though, there is a ton of good anti-bacterial meds specifically for fin rot, so that's usually the way to go Smiley
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Re: How do you know if it's fin rot?
« Reply #14 on: December 19, 2010, 08:49:22 PM »

Woops accidently didn't really answer the question  Wink Lucky Nossie covered it Smiley
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Re: How do you know if it's fin rot?
« Reply #15 on: December 22, 2010, 05:55:59 AM »

That may mean my betta doesn't have fin rot! Cheesy
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Re: How do you know if it's fin rot?
« Reply #16 on: December 22, 2010, 06:22:51 AM »

What do you mean fantailer? Why did you think it had fin rot in the first place? I notice by the photo you posted that it is a crown tail, I didn't see any fin rot, but I didn't look too closely  Undecided
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Re: How do you know if it's fin rot?
« Reply #17 on: December 22, 2010, 12:49:53 PM »

fantailer: We did mention that some bettas simply have uneven edges on their tails because they've been bred that way Wink
But since your fish is getting better, how about stopping the treatment already? Just in case he's really not sick, it would only be stressful for him to be treated against nothing.
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