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Re: Hyper goldfish?
« Reply #60 on: October 02, 2011, 02:54:22 PM »

Cool! Thanks.  Wink
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Re: Hyper goldfish?
« Reply #61 on: October 03, 2011, 04:08:25 AM »

Thanks guys, I came back from camp yesterday, cleaned the gravel, took out a bit more water than I meant too which freaked Lucky out a bit, she had enough to swim in of course, it was just lower than normal and I filled it back up as quick as I could.

I added the stress zyme, but then realised I'd forgotten to shake the bottle before hand! >.<
Hoping it will be okay!

She's still acting a little bit loopy every now and then, she went a little crazy last night.
But I'm not sure what's still bothering her? I checked the water yesterday when I saw her doing it and everything's fine, besides the missing scales her outward appearance is normal.

I really have no idea, what's stressing her out Lips sealed I'll be doing gravel cleans/water changes twice a week now, so see how she goes! Bless her, she's doing well, the poor fish must be so traumatised after losing her buddy to ammonia and then having nitrites bother the heck out of her!

I also found the cause of the water! I double checked for leaks and still found none.

I then did a little experiment last night by putting a towel around the back of the tank and the right hand side (this is where I've noticed 'splashes' from the water movement caused by the air stone).
The front was bone dry this morning, no puddles, the back of the tank was fine as expected and the right hand side where the towel had been was rather damp! So the water must be splashing onto the right hand side of the tank and then seeping further forward the more the water appears.

So that mystery at least is solved!
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Re: Hyper goldfish?
« Reply #62 on: October 03, 2011, 04:45:25 PM »

When you say Lucky is still acting a little crazy, do you mean unusual darting around the tank and rubbing against objects? Or was she just peppy after her water quality came out perfect? I wouldn't worry too much yet until you find a cause for her behavior, such as a parameter spike or sign of illness. Keep checking on her and look closely at her body....details are the key!  Wink

Glad to hear you solved the problem of the water leakage.  Smiley
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Re: Hyper goldfish?
« Reply #63 on: October 04, 2011, 03:12:30 AM »

Fish may be flashing if they have some skin parasites, like anchor worms, these are very easy to notice though, so if you can't see anything strange on her body, or lumpy excess slime coat you can just keep doing what you're doing, she's probably healthy but a bit stressed from the water Smiley
Did you check that it was similar temperature as to the water in her tank? Some fish may get shocked if the water is a bit too warm or too cold compared to the temp they're used to.
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Re: Hyper goldfish?
« Reply #64 on: October 04, 2011, 08:38:26 AM »

It may have been the temperature, as I didn't leave the water to stand as long as I usaully do, because the level was a bit lower than I intended. Normally I give it 10 or 15 minutes to get to room temparture, so you might be right Nossie, was possibly the temperature.

From watching her yesterday and today she's been fine Smiley I just looked over now saw her swimming back and forth through the bubbles Cheesy She's so cute when she does that.
She occasionally chases her reflection like in the video, but I don't think that's anything to worry about, I think it's just part of her behaviour, perhaps she thinks its another fish?

I'll be doing a water test tonight, just on the nitrates to see where their at. Then tomorrow I'll do a full water test and clean the gravel. Would it be worth getting a thermometer to check water going in the tank is the same temperature for the future? Or just go back to what I was doing before with leaving it to stand as she seemed fine when I did it that way.
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Re: Hyper goldfish?
« Reply #65 on: October 05, 2011, 02:23:20 AM »

Goldfish don't see reflections in the glass because they're looking right at it, she sees through it towards whatever is outside Wink (Mine tend to dig extra hard in the corner where the food jars are visible...)

If you'd prepare the water about an hour before the water change, you could leave it to stand, but otherwise nothing much would change about it. Water is a very bad heat/cold conductor, so it changes temperature very slowly even in small amounts (My tea cups tend to take an hour to cool, they're about 0.75 liters). I usually feel with my hand how the temperature should be Smiley After digging around in the tank for as long as I do to clean the gravel, it's pretty easy to feel how it should be Wink
A thermometer on the tank is something everyone should have though, you can get a glass one with a suction cup for cheap and later use that in your bigger tank Smiley There are also those you sort of stick to the tank glass, but it would be largely impossible to move that without breaking it in the process...
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Re: Hyper goldfish?
« Reply #66 on: October 05, 2011, 03:00:29 AM »

Ahh I see.... all that Lucky would see on the side of the tank she usually goes to, is just my blue wall paper XD
The other side of the tank has some random things there but at the moment the towel would be in the way to stop the water from spreading.

I'll grab a thermometer today or tomorrow! I re call my dads having one because it was a tropical tank, but I can't remember what type it was... possibly a sticker? Not sure, I'll grab one with a suction cup in any case!

At the moment for water changes, I've just been using an old cooking pot, that no one in the house used and because my water conditioner dosage is one cap full per 4.5 pints, I usually do 4.5 pints at a time, in the pot, so it can take a while XD

Maybe I should grab a mop bucket when I go to get the thermometer Wink I'm sure water would warm up quicker in a plastic bucket than the metal pot I've been using! Plus it could be a mop bucket just for the tank Cheesy so I could potentially do the water change in one go!

I'm thinking of using the mop bucket in the kitchen, only for emptying the dirty tank water into and using my new one (which will be used only in the aquarium) for clean water ^_^

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Re: Hyper goldfish?
« Reply #67 on: October 06, 2011, 02:54:35 AM »

Maybe she likes blue? Wink

If he had a sticker it's probably stuck on the tank anyway, but an extra thermometer will always come in handy! Even if there's already one on the tank, you could use this one to get the temperature of the fresh water right until you can feel it with your hands Smiley

That sounds like a good idea! Later when you get the bigger tank, you'll probably need two buckets anyway Smiley
I use four of them to empty the tank but only three of them to fill it back up (the fourth one is sort of dirty by fish standards), and an adorable transparent bucket with oranda print for cleaning the filter :'D
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Re: Hyper goldfish?
« Reply #68 on: October 06, 2011, 04:22:05 AM »

Well I managed to get two 10 litre buckets yesterday, 99p each! Can't get much cheaper than that Cheesy
That Oranda bucket does sound cute Wink

I realised what you meant about the temperature, my rooms quite warm, so the tank is too, I let the water sit in here yesterday for about 2 or 3 hours and it still wasn't as warm as the tank XD Lucky didn't seem to fussed, but I don't think there's much I can do if the water is a little colder than what's in the tank?

Water test was fabulous yesterday, the ammonia is even more of a yellow colour than before! So at least the water is nice and clean for her poorly scales!
On note of her scales, is there anything I can do to help that out?

Her behaviour this morning has been very chilled out, she's been nibbling at the aquarium plant mostly and I'm noticing more and more, that her swimming up and down behaviour is limited to when she's checking out the sides of the tank, so she's just having a good look around! When I removed the towel yesterday to let it dry a little, I noticed she was checking that side of the tank out too this morning!

Thanks for all your help guys! Sorry for being so paranoid XD It was just so horrible watching her flash, the poor thing didn't look happy at all, so when ever she did similar movements, I got worried!
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Re: Hyper goldfish?
« Reply #69 on: October 06, 2011, 04:32:57 AM »

Naah, a little cooler is fine Smiley I don't know, I read once somewhere that a little colder water just makes the goldfish more perky, but lately I read a little bit how fishes' bodies react to temperature changes and it turns out they just get shocked... x'D
Well, my water isn't exact temperature when I add it to the tank, but very close, and they seem to enjoy that either way Smiley This summer it got really hot in the tank (30 degrees?!) and I was adding a little bit cooler water with every water change.

Yay, congrats on them water tests! Really nice to hear.. Smiley
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Re: Hyper goldfish?
« Reply #70 on: October 06, 2011, 04:38:07 AM »

I just hope it continues like this!

I'm going to be away for a little more than a week in December, for christmas and new years, I just hope she'll be okay in my absence! If I'm doing water changes twice a week at the moment, will the water parameters be okay if their left for a bit longer?

My mum bless her was like 'bring the fish with you!' the car ride wouldn't be to bad, but 3 hours going back on a train with a goldfish?! Pretty silly!

If I get the plant she likes to eat (a new one before I leave) and put that in for her, then she'd be okay? She would at least have something to snack on in case she got hungry!
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Re: Hyper goldfish?
« Reply #71 on: October 07, 2011, 02:44:00 AM »

A goldfish will survive "without food" for two weeks, and actually, I wouldn't buy her anything to eat because if she'd tear that plant apart (mine do... Wink) it would start rotting and pollute the water. The brown roots you were talking about should by all means be removed from the tank.
She'd be just fine if you'd perform a large water change (75-80%) the day before you go, and feed her once before leaving Smiley
There are plenty of little particles in the water for goldfish to eat, like algae etc.

The biggest concern would be the water quality, so how about you do a test run? Try changing a big amount of water and testing that the next time you should've done the next water change, leave the tank alone for as long as you'd be gone, but keep an eye on the water quality, and feed her once every few days, just because you're home Smiley
Then you will know if it's going to work, plus without any food the tank won't get dirty as fast at all!
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Re: Hyper goldfish?
« Reply #72 on: October 07, 2011, 04:18:57 AM »

Yeah I was thinking a test run, do water checks instead of water changes. (Unless of course the parameters get bad). I'll feed her flakes from my fingers (one at a time) every few days (she ate from my fingers for the first time yesterday Cheesy) it stops the problem of un eaten food, as I'll see the moment she stops eating the flakes Smiley

I've taken the plants out, Lucky was not impressed! She actually chased the plant as I took it out and poked her little mouth out at the top, like 'where are you taking that?!' One plant actually has some white roots growing through the brown, so I took the brown off, the tips of the plant where the roots are growing, are a little brown too... Might buy fresh ones today anyway!
See what other plants the man in town has, as that's where my partner picked up these, he might have some java fern too.

Just done a water check as Lucky has been acting a little odd again (mainly swimming a little erratically along the front of the tank), it's all fine, other than the ammonia having a slight green tint again, so I'm going to do a quick gravel clean and water change, maybe that'll sort it out, as I didn't fill the tank as much as normal on Wednesday so maybe the lower level of water is the cause, with things being a little more concentrated?

I was a little concerned that maybe it was her food, as yesterday I heated some brocolli in treated water in the microwave (the fridge partially froze some of it), I was going to take it out, but then Lucky had eaten most of it when I went to do so (it had only been in the tank for about 15 minutes!) Not sure if treated water going in the microwave was a good idea?
Maybe just give her some peas tonight, just incase? To help with her digestion.

Bless her, she was so cute though, she nibbled at my fingers for the first time today while I was filling one of the test tubes! She also nibbled the test tube XD Right... time to go grab the mop bucket! x

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Okay so water change done, I'm going to test the ammonia again tomorrow as Nitrites and Nitrates are fine. Hopefully it'll go down again. I'll be adding a little dose of stress zyme on Sunday, I feel the little tank needs all the bacterial help it can get! Lucky seems a little better, I'll be keeping an eye on her this evening as I have work and things later.

Nossie, with leaving her, if the water parameters continue to be like this, would it be okay to take her home with me? I can't really do a 'test' at the moment, when the parameters are being so un-predictable. I could always ask my Dad if he'd drive me back, instead of getting a train with the fish? Of course hopefully it will be okay to leave her, I'm just a little worried! x
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Re: Hyper goldfish?
« Reply #73 on: October 07, 2011, 06:14:44 AM »

Every pet shop should have Java Fern, so just ask about them and I'm sure he'll have a few Smiley They also don't need specialized lighting, so I think they'd do good!

You can boil vegetables in tap water if you like Wink It doesn't have to be conditioned since it's not the water that goes in the tank but the food Smiley Some books advice to leave vegetables like lettuce, cucumber and broccoli in the tank for even 24 hours for the fish to nibble, they won't pollute the water too bad so.. Smiley But if she ate it anyway, why leave it in? Tongue

She would probably not be very happy coming with you... unless you'd bring her tank too Wink The fish really shouldn't be moved at all unless it's needed (between pet shop - house and when moving). I heard about some people bringing their bettas and bowls with them though, but for just a week that would really be much more harm than good :/

I don't know, did you ever think that maybe you're overdoing it a little? Maybe you see her acting strange when she really isn't? Smiley
For the first few months I had my goldfish I was seeing all kinds of terrible problems with this and that, and then I got the idea that something was wrong with the pH (since I had no idea what nitrates were) that made my fish sit like that by the surface. So I was messing around with the water like that, all the time, not helping at all (Goodness gracious that they survived that!!).
Maybe you see ammonia and water quality problems where there aren't any? There could be something called "Too many water changes" after all... Wink
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Re: Hyper goldfish?
« Reply #74 on: October 07, 2011, 02:30:00 PM »

Yeah, I picked up a different cold water plant today, it's quite bushy, so she can hide and swim through it. My partner stuck it in the tank, but I've come home to find bits of the plant all over the place XD So I took it out and had to fish the silly things out with a net!
Lucky came up and gave me a little nibble which made me feel a bit better as I was interrupted during this affair with the plant with some annoying sales guy at my door! It must have sounded such a pathetic excuse 'I'm right in the middle of cleaning my fish tank, sorry!' Haha I wonder how many people have used that one to get someone to go away!

I caught Lucky eating one of the bits off the plant, so I figure she'll like this one Cheesy Although whilst cleaning this stuff out, I noticed a little tiny snails shell Shocked The plant is now in a bucket, being quarantined as I originally thought it should be! I've chucked in a piece of lettuce in to see if there are many snails in the plant. Hopefully it was just a random empty shell Wink

Yeah thanks for the advice Nossie, sorry I'm being a bit nuts! I'll do just a simple water change on Sunday (leaving the gravel alone!) and add in the stress zyme. Maybe there's a period all new fish keepers go through, like 'New Tank Syndrome' but for people!
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Re: Hyper goldfish?
« Reply #75 on: October 08, 2011, 03:13:01 AM »

LOL! Well, it's better than ridiculing them until they leave... Tongue (I happen to know someone that does that.)
Besides I have made pretty d*mb excuses in my days so don't worry! Wink

Nah, do vacuum the gravel, that's always good! But I imagine there won't be as much gunk collecting in it now that you hand feed your little baby Smiley
Heh, there's DEFINITELY a new-tank-syndrome and a I-LOVE-MY-FISH-SO-MUCH-WHAT-IF-SOMETHING-IS-WRONG?!-syndrome :'D
I've felt extra paranoid lately since my only calico fantail died :'C
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Re: Hyper goldfish?
« Reply #76 on: October 09, 2011, 03:56:01 AM »

Aww well it's nice to know, other people go through similar things Cheesy

I'll do a quick gravel clean then, after my usaul water test, and I'm thinking of rinsing the plant out in some luke warm water and hand pick off any snails, as my lettuce plan failed and nothing was on it XD So maybe it was just a random shell Wink Wouldn't hurt to check though! But Lucky will have her plant back in the tank today!
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Re: Hyper goldfish?
« Reply #77 on: October 09, 2011, 02:40:42 PM »

Could be... Smiley

Snails can be such a pain... D: I do prefer those bigger ones so that I know where I have them... xD
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Re: Hyper goldfish?
« Reply #78 on: October 09, 2011, 04:09:16 PM »

Hmm the odd thing is, I checked the entire plant and when I popped it back in, I immediately noticed one of the snails on back of the tank near the filter (a potential hitch hiker on the filter during my clean?) removed it and checked the filter, nothing (but it needs a good clean on wednesday with my next water change Wink ). Then I suddenly saw one on the air stone (Again maybe he'd hid there and I missed it?) Removed him as well!

I read a 'warm salty bath' can help with snails, so that is just what the plants having!

Not sure what to do with the two snails I've caught, I'd like to keep them, but I fear I'll wake up to lots and lots of baby snails, as they can re produce on their own I believe? Roll Eyes Although my mum said she could always take them home to live in the pond!
(They are currently in a little tub with an air-holed lid).
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Re: Hyper goldfish?
« Reply #79 on: October 09, 2011, 04:40:06 PM »

Uh oh once a snail starts reproducing its kind of hard to stop them! Sad
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Re: Hyper goldfish?
« Reply #80 on: October 09, 2011, 04:49:17 PM »

Yes that's what I was afraid of!

I think there's no more in the tank as I've taken the plant back out now, but will be doing a thorough clean and check on Wednesday to make sure no more have appeared out of no where! They are like ninjas I swear...

But at the same time I don't want to kill the little guys, they are kind of cute!
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Re: Hyper goldfish?
« Reply #81 on: October 10, 2011, 04:07:06 AM »

At least they're snails and not ich @_@
I already said in that other thread that you could give them to your mom if she wants them Wink No problem there Smiley
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Re: Hyper goldfish?
« Reply #82 on: October 10, 2011, 04:45:51 AM »

Ah wicked ^_^

Yes I would much rather have snails than have Lucky get ill!
Making sure all plants get quarantined now as I thought they should have been!

The plant with the hitch hiking snails, is in a jug of salted water at the moment, how long should it be quarantined for? I know you mentioned quarantine any new fish for 3 weeks, so does the same apply to plants or do they need a shorter time period?

Other than that Lucky is doing fine! She's very active (I think I was getting flashing and her just being active a bit muddled XD), she swims around the tank exploring the world outside! I took down the backdrop I had, so she can check out more of the blue wall paper she seems to like Cheesy

Will get a video soon, she is very lovely, becoming more and more tame every day now Smiley (I might pop it in the video/photo thread).

Thanks everyone, for all your help and support, I really appreciate it!
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Re: Hyper goldfish?
« Reply #83 on: October 10, 2011, 05:02:50 AM »

Yay videos!
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Re: Hyper goldfish?
« Reply #84 on: October 11, 2011, 07:18:47 AM »

I'd have the plants quarantined for maybe 2 weeks? Since there are no fish there for any possible parasites to sit on, they should all be dead after the two weeks period Smiley

Like fantailer said: Yay videos! Cheesy
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Re: Hyper goldfish?
« Reply #85 on: October 12, 2011, 02:54:21 AM »

2 weeks? Okay Grin

Is that 2 weeks in salted water or just normal water?
I had the plant in salted water for a day or two, to kill any missed snails and it's now sitting in a jug of de-chlorinated water.
Maybe add the salt back in?

I also forgot to remind my Mum to take the snails, so they're here with me still until I go home at christmas XD
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Re: Hyper goldfish?
« Reply #86 on: October 12, 2011, 03:48:26 AM »

That's your choice Smiley If you'd be suspicious about the plant carrying parasites, you should keep it in salted water (even if the parasites would die off on their own) but since it's just a snail problem here, you can decide yourself. I think Tongue
It really doesn't make a very big difference Smiley
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Re: Hyper goldfish?
« Reply #87 on: October 12, 2011, 01:48:56 PM »

I might add the salt back in, I'd rather give those parasites a good blasting of salt!

I'm going to be testing the water in a bit and if it's all okay, I'll leave it till Sunday, see how her tank goes a week without water changes, so I'll know how it'll be if I go away for a week Smiley

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Okay soooo
Ammonia is around 0ppm (the colour of it still bugs me, but it should be okay -maybe a second test for ammonia would be an idea? Or take some water to a shop to get tested?)
Nitrite is 0ppm
Nitrates are around 20/30ppm Undecided

The nitrates are what's concerning me... I'll test the water again Friday, I'm worried those Nitrates will be too high come Sunday...

Anyway, time to check the tank for any missed snails and sorting out the plant!
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Re: Hyper goldfish?
« Reply #88 on: October 12, 2011, 03:20:38 PM »

The ammonia is most likely 0 by now, those colors aren't that accurate in the end.
The nitrates are a tad high, but Lucky will be able to handle it! In the early days they believed that nitrates aren't harmful until they're 400 ppm actually. Quite a lot higher than today's ideal, right? Smiley
It's probably because the tank is crowded and under filtered, that'll all be repaired once you'll have the bigger tank and proper filtration! (And even if you would have to use the smaller filter for a while, it would be okay since Lucky would be alone in the tank for the first month Smiley)

If there would have been parasites with the plant, they would've infested the tank already since the snails did... Wink
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Re: Hyper goldfish?
« Reply #89 on: October 12, 2011, 03:33:05 PM »

Ah I see... well I haven't noticed anything, Lucky is her usual self! So maybe the salt isn't worth it then!
*Will just top the plant up with some normal water*

If there was a parasite in the tank, I'd know by now if it had affected her? I'll keep an eye on her regardless Smiley
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