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teetsymomo
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I almost killed my fish
« on: January 18, 2011, 06:27:48 PM »

On Saturday, I did a 25% water change. I did my normal rountine of adding salt and de-chlorinator to the water before adding it back to the tank. As I was adding the water my babies were a little freaked (they never are) and they were on the other side of tankk all huddled together. I gave them their dinner and decided to hang a Brussels sprout leaf in the tank. They started getting very skiddish, and I thought they were just opposed to Brussels Spouts so I removed it. Later as the evening progressed, I noticed the three of them were hiding under a rock structure I have. When I would walk to the tank, they would hide further back instead of how they always come out to say hi and to give me kisses. Finally when they did come out and I approached the tank, they bolted into hiding. I knew something with the water was up, but I didn't know what.

On Sunday around noon, it dawned on me, I normally put in 6 teaspoons of declorinator, but since I did a small change I only put in 3 tsp. I immediately put in 6 tsps. and within 3 hours they were back to normal (or so I thought). Last night, they started in hanging out under the rock structure and they would only come out for food. (okay, they're eating so I know they're going to be okay). they spent most of the evening under the structure and it looked like each one was nudging the others out. Today, they're looking better but they're still staying close to the structure. I'm grateful their alive, and still have their appetite, but I'm wondering if I've caused any permanent damage by exposing them to the small amount of chlorine.

Oh yeah, there was no labored breathing, no discoloration, just them acting out of the norm.
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Mindemae
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Re: I almost killed my fish
« Reply #1 on: January 18, 2011, 09:17:48 PM »

You only have to add the amount of water conditioner per gallon of fresh water you are adding to the tank.
Usually it's a 1 tsp per 10 gallons of water per directions.  Adding too much water condtioner isn't good either.
Did you check your ammmonia, pH, nitrites and nitrates?
Something definately was stressing out your fish but I just don't think it was adding enough water condtioner.
I think you added more than enough!  You only added about 15 gallons of fresh water to your tank so would have only needed about 1 1/2 tsps of water dechlorinator.
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Andrea
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Re: I almost killed my fish
« Reply #2 on: January 18, 2011, 09:58:14 PM »

Glad they are doing better Smiley Remember to add the exact amount of water conditioner because as Minde said too much can be dangerous too! I actually read that water conditioner removes oxygen from the water for a little bit, so if you add to muh you could suffocate your fish. It happened to a person on another thread!

May I ask why you are adding salt to the tank?
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Re: I almost killed my fish
« Reply #3 on: January 19, 2011, 07:19:16 AM »

Good thing they are okay. Wink
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Re: I almost killed my fish
« Reply #4 on: January 19, 2011, 11:26:04 AM »

Salt isn't necessary to add to the tank unless you're treating sick fish. Goldfish aren't brackish water fishes so they're not "designed" to live in that kind of water.
Did you test the parameters at all when you noticed that they're acting strange?
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Re: I almost killed my fish
« Reply #5 on: January 19, 2011, 03:58:44 PM »

with out enough tap water conditioner u might have killed some of the good bacteria
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teetsymomo
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Re: I almost killed my fish
« Reply #6 on: January 19, 2011, 05:53:23 PM »

I read that you should add salt every  time you do a water change. I have got to tell you, there is so much conflicting information out there regarding the care of fish. It's like I don't know who and what to believe anymore.
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Andrea
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Re: I almost killed my fish
« Reply #7 on: January 19, 2011, 09:39:19 PM »

Don't believe the salt thing!! Why would you add salt to every water change? Where you got this from did it explain why?? Salt is used as a treatment when your fish is sick and that is all! You make be making bad bacteria salt resistant so when you get an out break of disease in your tank, the simplest and safest treatment is not going to work for you!

Goldfish are freshwater fish and I can't understand why people add salt to every water change  Undecided You don't own a saltwater tank  Wink

There is conflicting advice about EVERYTHING out there and I mean everything! So therefore everyone is going to mistakes but you have to be smart about it and think why do people use salt in freshwater tanks? And where do goldfish naturally live? Or came from? It's not the ocean and it isn't brackish water either  Wink
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Re: I almost killed my fish
« Reply #8 on: January 20, 2011, 03:46:54 AM »

I think you would be safe listening to US, because we have had all that load of conflicting info flushing on us too! Grin
So we know what works and what doesn't through experience Smiley

But really, go test the water now, and post the numerical results.
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Re: I almost killed my fish
« Reply #9 on: January 20, 2011, 04:04:31 AM »

Also please get a sample of water to the petshop and get it tested for salinity, I can imagine that it is too high for goldfish.
Salt doesn't evaporate, so every time you add salt you may increase the salinity , especially if you calculate the amount for the whole tankvolume. And even if you calculate it for the amount of water you change, there is a good chance to increase it, because a tablespoon can be topped up or flat....

As everybody else said: Goldfish are FRESHWATER fish and salt is only used for treatment in case of illness.

Teetsy, Freckles, if I were you, I'd do a 50 % waterchange every second day, until salinity is down. Using more conditioner than recommended doesn't hurt the fish, which does not mean one should overdose this one...
Same with beneficial bacteria, here it is recommended to add another dose to speed up the cycle towards a pristine waterquality.
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Re: I almost killed my fish
« Reply #10 on: January 20, 2011, 06:31:04 AM »

Hana: It can hurt the fish  Wink Read what I said but that was probably only true for vey sensitive fish, not goldies.

And the point Hanna made about the build up of salt is very important! This is why people who own salt water tanks have a little thing in their tank to constantly measure the salinity of the water. You probably have a horrible build up of salt in your tank  Undecided
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Re: I almost killed my fish
« Reply #11 on: January 20, 2011, 10:25:50 AM »

Those salinity testers are pretty cheap if you need to test and do water changes to get the salt out.  That way you know how much is exactly in there.  Good to have I guess even if you need to treat the fish for something, you don't want the salinity too high either way. 
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Re: I almost killed my fish
« Reply #12 on: January 20, 2011, 12:01:53 PM »

Just to let everyone know, SOME water condtioners and medications, additives, what-not CONTAIN SALT.  sO READ YOUR INGREDIENTS aLWAYS!!!  BEFORE dumping it in your tank!!!! Smiley
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Re: I almost killed my fish
« Reply #13 on: January 20, 2011, 04:51:47 PM »



Andrea, the Super Chlor I use is perfect, it also recommends to do it in certain situations, BUT it is also recommended to keep pH at 7 in this case. ( Like after heavy rain )

Also for Prime you can put 5 times more in, in certain situations without harming the fish.
And they don't specify the type of fish.
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Re: I almost killed my fish
« Reply #14 on: January 20, 2011, 08:14:30 PM »

Yeah 5 times more is safe and it has been made safe but what about ten times more? If you catch my drift  Wink It just happened to another person on another forum so I'm just re-telling the story and there fish did suffocate because they added to much water conditioner. Sure there is safer ones then others but to overdose on any could be bad and obviously adding 5 times more with prime is not overdosing Smiley

Minde, thanks for that Smiley I didn't know.
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Hanna
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Re: I almost killed my fish
« Reply #15 on: January 21, 2011, 04:03:59 AM »

Well WHO the heck would add 10 times more, more than it is recommended to increase if necessary?

In THIS case Andrea you are right... as I never talked about increasing it more than it tells you on the bottle.

Sheesh one would think that peeps use more common sense, but I always get cought that there are plenty who just don't....  Tongue
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Re: I almost killed my fish
« Reply #16 on: January 21, 2011, 04:59:03 AM »

Haha in this case? What do you mean by that?  Cheesy

Yeah I forget the actual specifics of the story  Undecided I don't think they added that much more, just a tiny bit more and they owned sensitive fish and they died.

I dunno, as we've learnt from this forum people do some very st*pid things  Cheesy
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Re: I almost killed my fish
« Reply #17 on: January 21, 2011, 05:22:43 AM »

Lol, Andrea, I mean in this certain case in which that person added 10 times more....
I dunno why I always think there should be more brains out there... LOL

But believe me, if it is only a tiny bit more than a "normal" dose, their fish may have died from sth different, perhaps more things added up...and they didn't tell or they didn't know that sth else may have been wrong too.
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Re: I almost killed my fish
« Reply #18 on: January 21, 2011, 06:57:06 AM »

Well, were talking about PRIME which is a beneficial bacteria booster.
That's different.  However, adding too much water condtioner can deplete the dissolved oxygen in the tank.
You should only add the amount for the water you are replacing in the tank.  I guess a tsp or more wouldn't hurt but more than that your fish might show signs of stress because of depleted oxygen. Smiley
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Re: I almost killed my fish
« Reply #19 on: January 21, 2011, 01:40:11 PM »

Following the instructions on the bottle always comes first, doesn't matter who tells you anything else.
It's a mixture of chemicals to make the water good for fish, so whatever info on how to do that will be on the bottle!

My water conditioner has two kinds of dosage, since it's an anti-stressant and promotes slime coat as well, you add a larger dose when you get new fish, for example. But really, never add more than it says on the bottle.
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Re: I almost killed my fish
« Reply #20 on: January 21, 2011, 03:57:57 PM »

I must agree that the level of common sense can sway out there. Some believe that more is better I don't know why. That being said, I had no idea that too much water conditioner could deplete the dissolved O2 as I have never seen any mention of it on the bottles. Common sense dictates that one doesn't overdo it. And often with conditioners, it is hard to get exact measurements when adding it to new water particularly if the amount is not greater than 10 gallons. I have used a sterile syringe (an extra one never used for medicine) that I got when treating one of my birds from the vet. It has much smaller measurements on it and I can adjust as closely as possible how much conditioner goes in.

Learn something new everyday thankies ladies Wink
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« Reply #21 on: January 21, 2011, 04:10:15 PM »

Minde, Prime is the conditioner and Stability is the beneficial bacteria, roflmao, Cheesy
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Re: I almost killed my fish
« Reply #22 on: January 22, 2011, 05:03:54 AM »

I use these small measuring cups, they can contain about 25ml of liquid, so I put the appropriate dose into every single one of the 16-17 buckets of fresh water I add to the tank xD
Those cups are used at mom's work (she's a nurse) to keep medication in, so she sometimes grabs a few of them for the fish since the cups are thrown away right after use anyway, why not save a few??
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« Reply #23 on: January 22, 2011, 06:40:46 AM »

I use syringes one can buy at the pharmacy, also eyedroppers are very handy to have.
And on some products there are measuring cups over the screw top anyway.  Smiley
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Re: I almost killed my fish
« Reply #24 on: January 22, 2011, 10:39:30 AM »

Most products come with a measuring cap.  At least the ones I use do. Smiley
I don't know what Prime and Stability are I never used the products. Tongue
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« Reply #25 on: January 22, 2011, 05:48:15 PM »

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Most products come with a measuring cap.  At least the ones I use do. Smiley
I don't know what Prime and Stability are I never used the products. Tongue

Yes, they do.
Prime and Stability are SEACHEM products, sure you've seen them in pet shops,  Wink rofl, Minde.. I'll "hunt" for a pic, I think I posted somewhere else...
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« Reply #26 on: January 22, 2011, 06:23:04 PM »

Here they are, I hope the info may help other members too.
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Re: I almost killed my fish
« Reply #27 on: January 22, 2011, 07:13:22 PM »

Well, the other day I killed four baby Orandas because I forgot to turn back on the power strip where the filter and air pump are plugged. Sad Cry
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Re: I almost killed my fish
« Reply #28 on: January 23, 2011, 02:42:20 AM »

How awful Pappy, sorry to hear this happened Cry Hugs ♥
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Re: I almost killed my fish
« Reply #29 on: January 23, 2011, 02:47:40 AM »

Another measuring thingy is like an eye dropper only a bit chubbier, but it's for measuring out children's medicine and 1mL-2mL and so on are on the side which is so much easier. Stability and Prime are all I use now they are excellent products. Cannot wait to try the Supa Chlor coming in the mail Wink
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