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abooot99
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newbie needing advice
« on: October 02, 2012, 08:54:21 PM »

Hi,
I have been interested in gold fish for a long time but after researching, I found it wasn't as easy as going to the store and falling for the old fish bowl routine-associates try to sell carelessly all the time..and they're pretty convincing too...
Anyways, I currently have a 10 gallon FW setup with 6 african dwarf frogs, 3 glo fish, and 2 chinese algae eaters. I've had this tank running since last December and the tank has been perfect. I do periodic water changes and use a marineland biowheel 100.

Ive had zero mortality. I have to admit, I don't check water parameters. Everyone is happy and healthy....

SO, I am finally ready to take the plunge and get my gold fish. I purchased a 36 gallon bow front aquarium off craigslist-brand new, little dusty with a light/cover so now want to start getting the ball rolling on setting it up.

I am wanting to purchase a marineland biowheel 400. I am kinda confused with filters a bit but since having such great luck with my 100, I am familiar with it and think I can handle it. I am not too sure about filter media as I follow the directions that came with my other filter and didn't seem to have any problems nor have I added anything to it.

First of all, is this filter a reasonable filter for my36 gallon tank? Am I supposed to "add" more filter media to it? If so, what and where do I put it?

Second, once I set up my gravel, filter, decorations,etc, is there something I can do with my already established 10 gallon tank to get my new tank cycling? I need specifics? Do I use the filter cartridge (its due to be changed in my 10 gallon) and place it in my new filter?

Should I get an airstone or  pump? Is that recommended?

I plan to purchase the API freshwater master test kit- will be checking parameters with this tank to get it going...

I like to stock it with an interesting 2-3 goldfish...any recommendations? I'm nervous its gonna look barren with just 2-3 baby probaby fancies but anyone have any other ideas/breeds?

Could I add a small group of white mountain minnows or something to liven it up a bit...I was afraid with this large tank (to me) it would be really lame...need suggestions...

Thanks a lot everyone! Smiley
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scrivens345
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Re: newbie needing advice
« Reply #1 on: October 03, 2012, 05:55:36 AM »

Fancy Goldfish Stocking Levels:
30 gallons (36 US gallons, 140 litres) for the first fish with an extra 10 gallons (12 US gallons, 45 litres) for each extra fish. The tank needs to have a minimum length of 3 feet to allow swimming room.

So you can safely house one Fancy: alternatively you can stock 2 or 3 baby fancies for a couple of years   and then move them to a 50 gallon tank.

A school of minnows could be kept with fancy goldfish, but in my opinion you would need a larger set up, maybe 60 + gallons.

you could add a couple of mystery snails 

If your filter turns over 30+ gallons per hour it should be up to the job
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abooot99
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Re: newbie needing advice
« Reply #2 on: October 04, 2012, 07:53:11 PM »

OK, I am thinking I will do 3 babies and reevaluate in a few years...obviously if they need more space, I will address it then but for now, 3 should be fine in my 36 gallon...

So, is the marineland emperor 400 a decent filter for this tank? How about an air pump/stone?

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fantailer
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Re: newbie needing advice
« Reply #3 on: October 05, 2012, 03:47:43 AM »

Yeah that filter is great!!
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scrivens345
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« Reply #4 on: October 05, 2012, 07:18:58 AM »

Sounds like a good plan. I keep 2 fancies in a 55 gallon   Grin
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« Reply #5 on: October 05, 2012, 07:54:36 AM »

As long as you go for fancy goldfish (NOT single tailed) you will be absolutley fine  Grin

Air stones aren't necessary pieces of equipment either  Wink The only use they have is to increase circulation, but most filters do a pretty good job of circulation anyway, so it's not really needed. I have air stones in my tank for 2 reason; 1) They look nice, 2) my filter out put faces the back of the tank, so circulation isn't that great from the filter.

Good luck with the set-up, I would suggest you do a fishless cycle before purchasing any fish  Cheesy
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abooot99
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Re: newbie needing advice
« Reply #6 on: October 05, 2012, 03:40:28 PM »

more questions;

I bought the tank from someone. How do I thoroughly clean it with no chemicals? Can I use vinegar?
Also- I want to start a fish less cycle. Can I use my filter cartridge from my other tank that is due to be changed?

Thanks!
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scrivens345
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Re: newbie needing advice
« Reply #7 on: October 05, 2012, 04:03:17 PM »

Vinegar will work well as a cleaning agent, and using   a filter with an existing bacterial colony will be helpful in cycling the tank.
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Skwishee
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« Reply #8 on: October 06, 2012, 06:45:03 AM »

I used warm water and a sponge to clean my tank -you would not believe how dirty it was! black gunk all along the bottom, lovely  Cheesy But just warm water did the trick for me!

Can I also just say bravo for doing the goldfish research first Grin *karma*
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abooot99
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Re: newbie needing advice
« Reply #9 on: October 06, 2012, 08:13:07 AM »

Thanks, I am going into this carefully as to not make unnecessary mistakes especially since other people can make mistakes for me...lol. Why reinvent the wheel and try things that don't work? I am going out today to get my gravel, filter, and airstone/pump...
Research is very important....

Thank you!
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Skwishee
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« Reply #10 on: October 08, 2012, 05:23:52 AM »

Well it's very refreshing to see someone take the necessary research  Grin

We often see people who haven't done this, who then end up in crazy situations with fish in tanks that are too small or overcrowded (heck I was one of them, when I first came here!)
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abooot99
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Re: newbie needing advice
« Reply #11 on: October 12, 2012, 07:37:23 PM »

Well, I am disappointed that the emperor 400 power filter I received is so long, it doesnt fit my 36 gallon bowfront tank. The plastic support in the center of the tank doesn't allow it to fit properly. I'd have to cut the plastic support  out in order for it to sit correctly.
Does anyone have any advice on this. I don't think modifying the tank is the way to go...can anyone recommend a brand filter that may be comparable that is a little less long...I didn't antisipate this would be an issue...**** it...
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scrivens345
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« Reply #12 on: October 13, 2012, 01:30:15 AM »

Can you not mount it horizontally along the length of the tank using suction cups?
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abooot99
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« Reply #13 on: October 13, 2012, 04:16:21 PM »

nope, he hood has the precut slots and it is a bowfront tank so it is just too long to mount on the back side or any other side. I ended up ordering the Aquaclear 70 power filter. I think it is less powerful but I found I couldn't find a high power filter that would fit in the tank and within my budget. I am just starting out so spending greater than $50 was not practical for me...anyways we will see how things turn out with this filter and if I don't overstock the tank, I hope to go fine.

Any thoughts on the Aquaclear 70?
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Skwishee
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« Reply #14 on: October 13, 2012, 04:48:01 PM »

External filters could always be a consideration, they fit outside the tank, so take up less space as you only need the pipework in the tank Smiley

As long as you stock slowly so the filter can have time to build up bacteria and such, perhaps start with 2 fancies to begin with? Keep in mind any you buy later will need to be quarantined (in case of disease) before adding to a mature set up.
But temporary tanks can be easily achieved using plastic tubs or similar with a spare filter (as long as the tub is strong and doesn't bow out when filled with water).
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Re: newbie needing advice
« Reply #15 on: October 13, 2012, 10:10:53 PM »

Hi Abooot99,
Welcome to the board  Smiley I'm still fairly new myself, joined here at the beginning of the year. I have had goldfish for probably 5 years and like the majority of folks, made my fair share of mistakes. There are many good people on here who are more than willing to help out. I got my first bigger aquarium when I joined. It is a 29 gallon acryllic with a slot on the top for the light and filter. It was a kit and came with the aquaclear 30 but after reading and getting advise I purchased the aquaclear 70 and really, really like it. It's quiet, and so far I have had no issues at all with it.  I think this should work fine and hope you like as much as I have. Please keep us posted and again, welcome aboard.
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abooot99
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« Reply #16 on: October 14, 2012, 09:57:17 AM »

Hi, Thanks for the helpful replies. I am not stocking too much in this tank so I think 2-3 is all I am going to be putting in it so think if I cycle correctly prior to getting the young fish, then add them, 3 small fish in that large tank should be ok...
I set up the tank and have the water in it. I took a used filter from my existing tank and just threw it in ( I hope thats right) and am now just awaiting my filter (should be here Tuesday).

Does that sound right?  One thing I noticed is I have well water and the water came out pretty darn cold from the tap. It is going to be sitting for a while but since yesterday, the temp reads 62. Am I gonna need a heater? My house isn't freezing but it isn't an oven either...
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Skwishee
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« Reply #17 on: October 14, 2012, 10:49:17 AM »

3 fish will be fine  Cheesy You just might have to upgrade in a year or so time when they've grown  Wink

Good luck with cycling! It can take up to 8 weeks, so be patient and test that water! What are you using as an ammonia source? Smiley

Also with water, I find it handy to let buckets sit for a couple of hours before I do the actual change, but I do have a single tailed goldfish.... I'm not sure the best thing for fancies, hopefully one of the others can let you know the best approach to temperature and water changes there  Smiley
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abooot99
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« Reply #18 on: October 14, 2012, 11:02:26 AM »

amonia source? Uhhhhh, probably fish food...I know it can take a long time but with the media in from the other tank, I thought I'd get a head start...I will also place a plant from my other tank in it also.
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Re: newbie needing advice
« Reply #19 on: October 14, 2012, 11:18:41 AM »

try adding some gravel from your existing tank, that will help with the bacterial growth Grin
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« Reply #20 on: October 14, 2012, 11:23:22 AM »

You will get a head start with an established filter  Smiley But the bacteria will die off, if they don't have a food source Smiley
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