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smokeysgirl
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Ichy Situation:( Any Ideas?
« on: November 26, 2011, 10:17:22 PM »

Please help I was carted off to a relative's house for the holiday and i arrived home today to an ichy surprise.  I took carbon out of the filter put de-ich-a-fier in and turned up the heat.  Is there anything else I can do other than wait?(Last time I got ich i lost my WHOLE tank and almost got out of aquarism). At this point anything would be helpful!!!!!

I Have a 20 Gallon set up for 11 months and 3 days with four fish. 2 orandas, 1 black moore, and a fantail.  I don't know ammonia or nitrate/ite ran out of test slips but ph is 7.  I do 2 partial water changes per month varying from 25-50% I use TetraSafe water conditioner.  I don't use beneficial bacteria.  My fish are somewhat sluggish.  My filter is a 40 gallon whisper but i don't know gallons per hour.   I don't have extra aeration.

All fish have ich, some not as bad as others, should I separate the lesser covered from the greater covered fish?
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Re: Ichy Situation:( Any Ideas?
« Reply #1 on: November 27, 2011, 05:52:49 AM »

First to let you know you need a 40 gallon tank to hold all those fish. To cure those fish you need to raise the water tempature and add aquarium salt.
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Re: Ichy Situation:( Any Ideas?
« Reply #2 on: November 27, 2011, 06:07:13 AM »

As fantailer has pointed out, your tank is over stocked, what size are the goldfish currently?

Also may I ask why you only do 2 water changes a month? Goldfish are quite messy creatures, so it is more beneficial for them to have a partial water change every week. Did you do a big water change on their tank before you left for your holiday?

I would say treat all the fish together, they all have ich to some degree.
Have you vacuumed the gravel? Also what is de-ich-a-fier that you refer to? I've never heard of anything that gets rid of ich and goes into your filter.

This article here, explains how to treat your whole tank with salt (Link is not visible to guests. Please register to view.)

Let us know how the fish get along, good luck!
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Re: Ichy Situation:( Any Ideas?
« Reply #3 on: November 27, 2011, 06:45:44 AM »

Cure and treatment for ich

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(modedit: Post has been edited: reason rule #9 - You can quote a few words from an external source, but for a very long article it's best to post a direct link to the source.)
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Re: Ichy Situation:( Any Ideas?
« Reply #4 on: November 27, 2011, 09:21:42 AM »

I inherited the tank from one of my cousins who was going to flush them all down the toilet. I have a 3" oranda, 2"oranda, 1.5"black Moore and a 1" fantail I think... I just got them and just did what my cousin said that she did, no big water change before leaving but a month ago I had those little white planaria things and I was told to strip the whole tank down to get rid of them.
 The ich medicine is ick guard. on the back it said to take the carbon out while you are treating with it. No but i'm pretty sure I have one  I've just never used it before ...how would I go about that?

I'll start with the salt today and keep updating

Thanks so much
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Re: Ichy Situation:( Any Ideas?
« Reply #5 on: November 27, 2011, 04:46:00 PM »

The best thing to be doing, is to change out a really big amount of water, it has to be badly polluted by now, which is why the fish got sick in the first place Smiley A 60-70% change would definitely be good before you add any treatment at any time!

Next, I'd start looking for a bigger tank. These are four goldfish and two of them are orandas, the biggest variety in the fancy goldfish world, they can grow up to a foot long! But these probably won't since they're not show- or breeding quality goldfish. At least a 40 gallon tank would be good to have. You could try looking for something while treating the fish!

When you say "No but I'm pretty sure I have one", do you mean a gravel vacuum? Here: (Link is not visible to guests. Please register to view.) is a guide with pictures showing how to vacuum the gravel and how often to do it.
These parasites were probably thriving in the gravel and decided to attack your fish once they were weakened enough by the dirty water. It's hard to believe how dirty goldfish are before you start vacuuming the gravel weekly... Wink

I do hope they'll be alright! Just remember to keep the salt concentration at one tablespoon per gallon for at least a week, change the water, and just in case add another dose for the water you removed. That way you're sure to get rid of the parasites.
Good luck, and keep us updated! Smiley
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Re: Ichy Situation:( Any Ideas?
« Reply #6 on: November 28, 2011, 07:56:35 PM »

I have been treating since saturday and the ich appears to be gone and the fish are doing much better they are more active!   Been putting the salt in religiously noon and midnight (not to fond of the midnight salt though).

I put some airstone things in the tank and they seem to love them.

Looking for a bigger tank the only thing stopping me is those darn parents Undecided but will keep pestering them!!

It looks like the fish have some kind of fin damage I'll try to take pics of them and post any help is appreciated
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Re: Ichy Situation:( Any Ideas?
« Reply #7 on: November 28, 2011, 09:29:19 PM »

how would i go about posting pics?
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Re: Ichy Situation:( Any Ideas?
« Reply #8 on: November 29, 2011, 05:32:56 AM »

You can either click the little "reply" button the last post, or you can open the "Preview" menu from the quick reply window below Smiley
There you can browse for pictures on your computer and click "More attachments" if you need to post more pictures than one, two or three Smiley
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Re: Ichy Situation:( Any Ideas?
« Reply #9 on: November 29, 2011, 07:26:40 AM »

Glad to hear the Ich has gone! Get a gravel cleaner when you can and remember to change the water weekly.

As for the filter, a lot of medicines require you to take out the Carbon. This is because some filters come with carbon, it's usaully a black filter pad and it's job is to get rid of chemicals in the water, so when you add medicine to a tank, the carbon will remove it from the water. Hence for the treatment to work, you need to take the carbon out  Wink

Some people have carbon in their filters all the time, but because the carbon has a life span of about 2 - 8 weeks (after this point the carbon is exhausted and will stop working) not everyone likes to use it, as you have to keep buying new ones all the time.

Did you complete the full course of medication for the ick?

Also when you say the fish have fin damage... hmm will be able to help with that once you post pics or a description  Smiley

Good luck with getting the bigger tank!
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Re: Ichy Situation:( Any Ideas?
« Reply #10 on: November 29, 2011, 02:50:17 PM »

Today the fins look frayed and ragged......is it from the salt?
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Re: Ichy Situation:( Any Ideas?
« Reply #11 on: November 29, 2011, 02:52:21 PM »

sorry about the picks....with the orange and white one his tail has like lines of red streaking through it and on the same fin it keeps curling in and not being able to use it....the black moore is losing the color now
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Re: Ichy Situation:( Any Ideas?
« Reply #12 on: November 29, 2011, 03:13:50 PM »

Haha those are some giant pictures!

Is your orange and white fish displaying any other symptoms apart from the red streaks in the tail? Such as darting around, being lethargic, not eating, red streaks on the body as well etc?
Have there been any changes to its tail i.e. white edges appearing on the tail or the fin shrinking in size? Or is it just red streaks?

What are your current water parameters? So the ammonia, nitrite and nitrate levels of the water in the tank.

At the moment I think it may be either fin rot or a bacterial infection both of which can be caused by poor water quality, which is why I asked about your parameters.
Both are treatable so don't worry, it's just a case of figuring out what we're dealing with here  Smiley
I'm sure the others will be along soon, to have further input!

The moors fins looks fine from those photos, how do you mean his losing colour?
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Re: Ichy Situation:( Any Ideas?
« Reply #13 on: November 29, 2011, 03:19:43 PM »

he's losing color as in it looks like his fins are disinigrating now the edges are very jagged on all fins and tails...they look pretty horrible
i put some fin rot medicine in theh tank today and it hasn't been helping i feel so bad im pretty sure they are all dying and its my fault.
I dont know the parameters i dont have test strips at the moment
There is now red streaks and misisng chunks of fins
Don't know what to do!!!!!
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Re: Ichy Situation:( Any Ideas?
« Reply #14 on: November 29, 2011, 03:25:55 PM »

Okay so we are definitely dealing with fin rot.

The medicine you've added today, is going to take a while to take effect, keep that in mind okay? Follow the dosages on the bottle and it'll be okay.
You still have the carbon removed from the filter right? If you feel after using the full course of the fin rot medicine, it hasn't helped, you can also treat fin rot with Hydrogen Peroxide. There is a very useful thread stickied in the health and illness section on here with instructions on how to do it  Smiley

Get a water test kit when you can, liquid one's last longer and can be more accurate than the strips, so if you are able to pick something up, please do!

Did you finish the ick treatment? When did you add the final dose for that?
How are the fish otherwise? Do they seem okay?

Try not to worry too much at this point, if you've added the medicine for them, then it's just a case of continuing the dosages and waiting it out, to see how they do.
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Re: Ichy Situation:( Any Ideas?
« Reply #15 on: November 29, 2011, 03:30:28 PM »

The carbon is out of the filter has been since i started this whole ordeal...
Yes i finished the ich treatment this morning before school... the fish are swimming around but slower than normal
will keep updating but i think they might  be swimming with Jesus real soon:(
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« Reply #16 on: November 29, 2011, 03:36:49 PM »

So you've added the final ich dose this morning and then immediately after that the fin rot treatment?

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« Reply #17 on: November 29, 2011, 03:37:37 PM »

yes i added that when i got home at about 2:45pm
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« Reply #18 on: November 29, 2011, 03:40:31 PM »

Hmm okay, that may not have helped, with one medication already being in the water and then adding another one the same day, could have caused them stress, which may be why their acting off.

What days does your dosage for fin rot suggest? So is it something you add every day, or the 1st, 5th and 7th days?
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« Reply #19 on: November 29, 2011, 03:43:15 PM »

add twelve drops (per ten gallons)  daily until cleared up
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« Reply #20 on: November 29, 2011, 03:44:23 PM »

Are the two products (the fin rot and ick treatment) safe to use together?
Which two products are they?
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Re: Ichy Situation:( Any Ideas?
« Reply #21 on: November 29, 2011, 03:47:39 PM »

I've been using the salt treatment but the fin rot is called aquari-sol...its a treatment for ick, fin rot, body fungus, velvet and parasite infestations
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« Reply #22 on: November 29, 2011, 03:54:47 PM »

Oh okay, so you're just continuing the dosage of the same medicine?

I was worried you'd mixed two different medicines there! (Which is a pretty bad thing, unless they are compatible).

It's odd they would develop fin rot, if your medicine deals with that as well, are you sure it treats fin rot? I've looked up the product and it says this "Aquari;Sol is highly effective against Ick (White Spot), closed fins, body fungus, velet, and sluggishness"
No mention of fin rot there  Undecided
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« Reply #23 on: November 29, 2011, 03:56:54 PM »

that is what the guy at the store told me:/  to buy for fin rot!
What should i do now??
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Re: Ichy Situation:( Any Ideas?
« Reply #24 on: November 29, 2011, 04:02:23 PM »

From what I've read apart from the description mentioned above it's a broad spectrum treatment for parasites. Fin rot is caused by bacteria or a fungus, not parasites, so I'm not sure why it would be recommended?
Maybe someone here would know?

Keep up with the salt treatment as that can help with fin rot. I wouldn't add any more aquari-sol for now. Perhaps see how they are in the morning?
If you can, pick up some hydrogen peroxide to have on hand, here's the link for how to use it to treat fin rot (Link is not visible to guests. Please register to view.)

How are the fish? Maybe you could get some updated photos. I wish I could be of more help, but I'm sure someone here will be able to pitch in as well  Smiley
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« Reply #25 on: November 29, 2011, 04:16:39 PM »

I'll post some at about 5:45ish Ill have to use my moms phone because my phone is very bad at taking photos.....
the smallest fish has almost spikes on his dorsal fin because the fin rot is so bad
The black moor is just all torn up
The two oranda are not as bad but the beautiful tail they had were a thing of the past

I have some peroxide now , should i start the treatment?
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« Reply #26 on: November 29, 2011, 05:12:28 PM »

How long did you treat them for the ick? I'm trying to see what I can find about Aquari-sol for fin rot.

You could always add some carbon to clear the water of the aquari-sol and see how treating them with just the salt and hydrogen peroxide goes, it's up to you really. I'm not hugely experienced with fin rot myself, so I'm just going by what other people have told me and what I've read during research. But GoldieGirl in particular has had a lot of success with treating using hydrogen peroxide.

Also how often are you doing water changes?

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Okay! So I cannot see anything anywhere about Aquari-Sol treating fin rot, so I would add in the carbon and do a water change, this should clear the water of most of the meds. The carbon will take care of anything left over.

Remember to add the salt back in to the tank, as any water removed from the tank, will remove the salt too.
So if you take out say 10 gallons, then add back in the dosage of salt for 10 gallons to replace it.

Follow the instructions on the thread I linked, to use the hydrogen peroxide correctly. Be careful and gentle with the fish, they will no doubt be stressed from being ill with the ick.

See how treatment with just hydrogen peroxide and salt goes. I think this will be the best bet, rather than adding a medicine that shouldn't be needed, if the ick is gone  Smiley
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« Reply #27 on: November 29, 2011, 05:21:23 PM »

Since early Saturday for ich..
I'll put the carbon in right now and start with the peroxide now and keep going with the salt
I'm doing 40-50% every two days and vacuuming everyday
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« Reply #28 on: November 29, 2011, 05:30:14 PM »

Since Saturday? Does the medicine say how long to treat for, or just until the ick is gone?
As long as you've finished the full course of medicine for ick (which is really important!) and the ick is really gone, it will be okay to add the carbon and start treating the fin rot.

Hydrogen peroxide will be the best thing to do, as it won't affect the water quality Smiley

Water changes and vacuuming are good! Keep that up. I hope your little guys get better soon!

Are they still active and eating?

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I'm afraid in my part of the world, it is time for sleep! But I really hope the others come along soon as they are much more experienced with this kind of thing and can give you any more help or advice.
Best of luck for the fish, I hope they get better soon hun!

Let us know if the hydrogen peroxide helps Smiley  

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Re: Ichy Situation:( Any Ideas?
« Reply #29 on: November 29, 2011, 05:51:38 PM »

i have just been doing salt not medicine since everyone told me to just do salt
3-5 days but do salt for a week after that

They are still active but not as quick/fast as usual and still mowing down on any food they see
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