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Skwishee
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Re: Ichy Situation:( Any Ideas?
« Reply #30 on: November 29, 2011, 06:01:56 PM »

Salt not medicine? But I thought you had been treating the ich with Aquari-sol?

Sorry think I got a little confused along the way, so you got rid of the ich using salt only?
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Re: Ichy Situation:( Any Ideas?
« Reply #31 on: November 29, 2011, 06:13:06 PM »

Salt was the treatment i used to get rid of the ich.   The Petsmart guy told me to USE aquari-sol that for the fin rot

just took pics uploading now
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Re: Ichy Situation:( Any Ideas?
« Reply #32 on: November 29, 2011, 06:15:24 PM »

Ahh I see, I see, sorry!

Wonderful that the salt got rid of the ich! I would keep up with the salt treatment and deal with the fin rot then Smiley

You can always keep Aquari-sol on hand, just in case Smiley I still have no idea why the employee at Petsmart would have recommended it!?
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Re: Ichy Situation:( Any Ideas?
« Reply #33 on: November 29, 2011, 06:16:16 PM »

have you ever been to a petsmart?
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Re: Ichy Situation:( Any Ideas?
« Reply #34 on: November 29, 2011, 06:20:53 PM »

We have Pets at Home here in the UK where I am! So I've never been to a Pet Smart, why what it's like?
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Re: Ichy Situation:( Any Ideas?
« Reply #35 on: November 29, 2011, 06:25:06 PM »

kinda like a walmart (do you even have walmarts in the UK or is it just an american thing?)of the petstore world.....we dont have a REPUTABLE LFS around here so that was my only option.
for all i know NOW it could have been someone from the dog section that helped me...it seems very likely now with the plethora of new info ive learned these last couple days

I told the man there that like 10 of his tanks had ich and he was totally indifferent about it:(
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Re: Ichy Situation:( Any Ideas?
« Reply #36 on: November 29, 2011, 06:32:15 PM »

Yeah I'm afraid some pet store employee's are a little un-reliable. We don't have a walmart here either XD
It is sad the conditions that some fish have to live in  Sad

I take comfort knowing my little goldfish is away from all that and I try to help people on here when I can, I learn something new here everyday! It's crazy the amount I've learned and I've only had my goldfish for 3 months!

I often find, if I'm unsure about something, I ask around here and on one or two other fish forums I belong to, as well as googling the heck out of it!
That way I get lots of product information and google will often bring up forum threads of people talking/asking about the things I'm looking for. It's the easiest way I've found for finding stuff out Smiley

Don't worry too much, the Aquari-sol will be handy to have around anyway, so it wouldn't have been a waste Smiley I hope the hydrogen peroxide and salt help with the fin rot! Keep us updated!

Anyways I am off to sleep! Good night!
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Re: Ichy Situation:( Any Ideas?
« Reply #37 on: November 29, 2011, 06:33:49 PM »

Stewart the red capped oranda was so white and reflective that i couldnt snap a pic of that darn little critter- but the tips of his tail are covered in red stripes like Cooper(Orange oranda) was.  

The baby orange one is torn up too but he's too small to even see the details

poor Moby (Black moor--irony of the name the big white whale but when i got him he was the size of a nickel Tongue)looks like he got chewed up and spit out

Cooper is probably the best looking of the 4 his tail is frayed but not as bad as the others

Sorry about the pics i cant figure out how to down size them:/
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Re: Ichy Situation:( Any Ideas?
« Reply #38 on: November 29, 2011, 06:58:05 PM »

*One last sneaky post, then I really must go, it's almost midnight here!*

Yes I see what you mean in the photos now, poor little Moor! Hopefully the hydrogen peroxide will help him out!

Best of luck! They will be fine I am sure Cheesy
Good luck with getting a bigger tank too  Smiley If your parents are un sure, maybe show them this;
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Although the chart is for single tailed goldfish, i.e. commons, comets, it can give you the idea of goldfish growth.
Fancy varieties will grow up to 6 - 8 inches usaully, sometimes they can be a bit bigger, depending on the variety.

But anyway, hopefully this helps! Let us know how you get on with the hydrogen peroxide!

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Re: Ichy Situation:( Any Ideas?
« Reply #39 on: November 30, 2011, 04:46:20 AM »

Skwishee: Very helpful answers, I'll give you karma for that Wink

smokeysgirl: I actually don't see any fin rot symptoms on these photos, just torn fins. And it's pretty natural that goldfish get torn fins if they're attacked by parasites due to the stress the pathogens and treatment cause. Keep up the salt for at least 2 weeks, or else it might keep returning and in the end kill one or more of your fish Sad

I'll post a picture here of how fin rot would look:
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(I'm more or less spamming the forum with this picture, it's just so clear and good)

You see the white edges on the lower part of the tail? That's the fin rot eating it away. If your baby goldfish have the same white edges by the rips (should be particularly clear on the moor), they have fin rot as well. But if they don't, all you need to do is keep the water quality good and the salt concentration constant Smiley
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Re: Ichy Situation:( Any Ideas?
« Reply #40 on: November 30, 2011, 12:44:12 PM »

Thanks Noss, at least I was helpful even if I did get confused XD

Ah so perhaps not treat any further with hydrogen peroxide?
To me it did look like only the moor had it... but I'm not hugely experienced with fin rot, so I'm still learning!

I didn't know fish could get shredded fins from stress, something new I've learned today!

Also on Scrivens information, it said to treat ick with salt for 10 days, so 2 weeks as Nossie suggested would suffice  Smiley
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Re: Ichy Situation:( Any Ideas?
« Reply #41 on: November 30, 2011, 12:52:48 PM »

Peroxide can be used even as a preventative of fin rot whenever a small tear in the fin is detected, but like Nossie said...those are just torn fins that display no whitish outline or other fin rot symptoms. Shredded fins often come from poor water quality, not always illness. But I think everybody else covered that so I'll just shut up.  Cheesy
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Re: Ichy Situation:( Any Ideas?
« Reply #42 on: November 30, 2011, 01:19:17 PM »

Ahh I didn't know that Goldiegirl, thanks  Cheesy At least it wouldn't have hurt adding it  Wink
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Re: Ichy Situation:( Any Ideas?
« Reply #43 on: November 30, 2011, 03:47:07 PM »

there is definitely white on the edges of the shredded tails, just not as much as the picture posted above....so keep going on with the peroxide?
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Re: Ichy Situation:( Any Ideas?
« Reply #44 on: November 30, 2011, 04:31:50 PM »

Absolutely, if it's not any more severe than this, the peroxide will for sure help Smiley But it's important that you keep the water quality good as well, or else the treatments won't work!
Change the water weekly or even twice a week, and add salt to the new water to be sure that you keep the concentration up, as I mentioned in the earlier post. But it bears repeating since it's essential for your fishes' recovery Smiley
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Re: Ichy Situation:( Any Ideas?
« Reply #45 on: November 30, 2011, 07:55:41 PM »

Now the little one can't swim and is just floating around in the current...is there a humane way to put the little thing out of its misery?
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Re: Ichy Situation:( Any Ideas?
« Reply #46 on: November 30, 2011, 08:15:24 PM »

oh no  Undecided putting the fish in a container of tank water and placing him in the freezer will basically put him into hibernation and then his heart will stop. supposed to be painless. you sure it's time for this?  Sad
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Re: Ichy Situation:( Any Ideas?
« Reply #47 on: November 30, 2011, 08:19:04 PM »

Yes his fins are beyond repair he can't move by himself and he is twitching...this is not the result I wanted but I have to think about him....isn't there a way with clove oil and vodka too? I thought that freezing is supposed to hurt...
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Re: Ichy Situation:( Any Ideas?
« Reply #48 on: November 30, 2011, 11:31:47 PM »

I've always heard that its painless. I know there is a clove oil thing but im not sure the amount
So sorry about the little guy, that's so sad Sad
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Re: Ichy Situation:( Any Ideas?
« Reply #49 on: December 01, 2011, 03:28:44 AM »

Freezing doesn't hurt, because the fish will sleep and pass away far before he will freeze. Just be sure not to open the freezer at all for at least a few hours, you don't want to make the little baby stressed and uncomfortable, it's very calming to be in the dark.
Clove oil would work as well, but I don't know the dosage needed at all Sad I've never heard of using vodka though.

When fish are losing control of themselves this way, they would hardly recover from illness, but struggle with that along with the stress from trying to swim straight. In some cases it works removing some water or just putting the fish into a container with more shallow water level, removing most of the stress on the swim bladder, but it might be a bit late for that. You'll know better yourself when you think it's enough. Really sorry he got worse Sad
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Re: Ichy Situation:( Any Ideas?
« Reply #50 on: December 01, 2011, 07:43:23 PM »

Awww sorry to hear it's too late for your little fishy. I hate having to watch them suffer, also putting them down is so hard too.  Cry
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Re: Ichy Situation:( Any Ideas?
« Reply #51 on: December 02, 2011, 05:40:55 AM »

There's always that little hope that "Maybe he/she'll make it after all?" but it rarely comes true Sad
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Re: Ichy Situation:( Any Ideas?
« Reply #52 on: December 02, 2011, 06:10:06 AM »

Goodness, I'm so sorry to hear about the little baby  Embarrassed

There's an article here about euthanasia - (Link is not visible to guests. Please register to view.)

"Oil Of Clove
Add 12 drops of Oil of Clove per 1 gallon (3.84 liters) of dechlorinated water. Oil of clove is very hard to mix so you may want to emulsify the clove oil by placing it in a smaller amount of water in a glass jar and shake well. Place the fish in a container large enough for it to move around freely along with an airstone on the highest setting and add the clove oil solution. The airstone will help keep the clove oil in solution. Once the fish turns on its side, watch the opercular movements (respiration/gill movements). The fish should be removed from the solution after at least ten minutes have passed since the last observed opercular movements (respiration/gill movements)."


It also says this-

"The following methods are NOT recommended

Freezing
Freezing is very painful to the fish as ice crystals are formed in the body tissue and bloodstream.

Vodka And Oil Of Clove
The combination can be used IF done properly but the majority of the cases of at home euthanasia the fishes gills are burned by the vodka causing a violent death."
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Re: Ichy Situation:( Any Ideas?
« Reply #53 on: December 02, 2011, 01:41:14 PM »

Again, the fish wouldn't feel the ice crystals shaping because it would be long gone by the time the water would actually start freezing over. You probably noticed how long it takes to make ice cubes, for example.
The water will simply get cold, the fish will go into hibernation, and finally, the heart would stop beating.

And one US gallon is 3,79 liters while a UK gallon is 4,55 liters Smiley
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Re: Ichy Situation:( Any Ideas?
« Reply #54 on: December 06, 2011, 03:09:11 PM »

FINAL UPDATE
Thanks to everyone who has helped me along the way I am very grateful for that.

Sadly, everybody died.   Cry I did my darndest to save them but unfortunately I couldn't.  I don't know if ill ever have fish again after this traumatic experience.  Again thanks to everyone who help i am very thankful


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Re: Ichy Situation:( Any Ideas?
« Reply #55 on: December 06, 2011, 04:50:08 PM »

Oh gosh... I am so so so sorry to hear that hun Cry

It's hard to lose a fish I know, I lost Star my goldfish, very early on and everyone else here has had similar experiences.
I am sure even though this experience didn't work out, that you still learnt something on this journey and sometimes that's the best thing we can take from any situation that didn't go as planned.

Just know that we are here, whether you decide to have fish again or not, you are always welcome Smiley


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