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Black Spots
« on: February 12, 2011, 08:49:23 PM »

Okay so I had a red and white comet and he'd been with me for about 5 months when I thought he looked lonely so I bought a bigger tank and added another red and white comet. They seemed fine, so I bought 2 more fish but these were smaller gold fish that I bought from a pet store that sold them as feeder fish however it being a petco they assured me that the fish would be fine. A couple of weeks after adding these fish and my old fish to a big tank my oldest one died suddenly. When I went to ask the pet store they said it sounded like constipation and that he should be fine since I had been putting peas in his tank. It didn't help and he left me. That was 2 weeks ago and now the other fish are starting to show similar signs and just recently I noticed that one of the feeder fish has black dots and at first I thought it was part of a pattern but then I noticed every day there were different ones and others were disappearing and it was very odd. I decided after finding this fish lying at the bottom of the tank hiding to put him in quarentee because it was concerning me. When I put him in a white bowl to transfer him to a different tank some of the black rubbed off. My red and white comet had a little bit of black starting to appear so I put him in fresh water for a little bit and managed to get off. I've changed the water and washed everything in the other tank with my 2 other fish but I was wondering what to do with the one covered in black spots. I've attached some pictures I took.
I could really use some help, I don't want to lose any more fish.
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Re: Black Spots
« Reply #1 on: February 12, 2011, 09:13:25 PM »

Sorry to say you have done alot of things wrong and it looks like you have a very sick fish there Sad It's not your fault, unfortunately alot of has been there ourselves though we should have done our research first.

Now how big is your tank??? What are your ammonia, nitrite and nitrate levels?? You can take some water down to petco and get it tested!! This is vital as your fish will not get better unless their water quality is perfect, they may need some medication on top of this.

First off never ever clean everything in a tank. You should be doing 40-70% water changes a week or so depending on your water quality. Rarely clean filter media and only half at a time if needed. Please go research the nitrogen cycle on the internet and here is a link from here about it (Link is not visible to guests. Please register to view.)

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Goldfish need 10 gallon minimum per fish!! Some even suggest more for comets/commons/shubunkins as they are pond fish who grow big and love to swim. Goldfish are messy and you need to account for this with a strong filter, regular water maintenance and plenty of room.

Do you use water conditioner? Do you have any beneficial bacteria?? If not, when you go to petco to get your water tested also buy some of these and follow the instructions on the bottles Smiley

Best of luck, please keep us updated and ask away if you have any questions. I know it is alot to take it in but unfortunately if you don't act on these things, you WILL lose some more fish Sad

Oh and I should add the black spots are ammonia burn meaning you definitely did or have ammonia in your tank. This is toxic to all fish and will kill them. You may have to do water changes every day for the next few days to keep it at a safe level which is zero.
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Re: Black Spots
« Reply #2 on: February 12, 2011, 11:13:34 PM »

Thank you so much for all your help, I am going to do all of those things immediately!
I have a very good filter and I guess I just need to do more partial water changes more often. I do use water conditioner and I added a pH buffer most recently.
Thank you so much and I'll let you know what happens in the next couple of weeks.
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Re: Black Spots
« Reply #3 on: February 13, 2011, 01:42:45 AM »

Don't both with the ph buffer. Why do you use this?? What is your ph? As long as your ph is stable it is fine so therefore it is probably the least of your problems!! By using the ph buffer you are probably constantly changing your ph and just adding to the stress of your fish.

You also didn't answer many of my questions. How big is your tank? Have you got the water tested?

Buy some beneficial bacteria, you should probably be able to find some stress zyme by API. Add some straight to the filter Smiley However if you can find Stability by Seachem that would be even better. Though stress zyme will do. You could also pick up some stress coat and use that as a water conditioner and it will help to heal your fish Smiley

You should also ALWAYS quarantine any new fish for 2-4 weeks treating them for parasites or any bacterial infections.
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Re: Black Spots
« Reply #4 on: February 13, 2011, 01:44:12 AM »

*bother

(Where'd the modify button go  Huh  Angry )
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Re: Black Spots
« Reply #5 on: February 13, 2011, 11:01:21 AM »

I don't normally use a pH buffer.
My tank is 10 gallons and right now I only have 1 little fish in it. The fish pictures died, but the weird thing is that there are black things in the water where I had him in quarantine. Do ammonia spots fall off? I'm going to get my water tested today and buy a testing kit myself.
My water conditioner has a stress coat built into it. Also I had 3 fish in the tank and one got black spots the other two didn't however one is not doing so well anyway so I'm going to bring him to the pet store to see what they can do. The third fish is completely fine  Huh I'll definitely get some beneficial bacteria though.
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Re: Black Spots
« Reply #6 on: February 13, 2011, 11:28:53 AM »

The black things could be parasites or flukes. The black on his tail and fin looks like ammonia burns. You need to get your water in better shape, and maybe get some meds to treat parasites or flukes an antibacterial med to prevent any secondary infection. If the fish is weak tho, he won't be able to survive the meds. If you add some Prime to the water, it will neutralize the ammonia immediately, for a temporary solution. Then when your good bacteria grows you won't need to neutralize the ammonia any more.
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Re: Black Spots
« Reply #7 on: February 13, 2011, 11:33:50 AM »

There are many good articles on the internet about cycling a tank, so maybe read some of those to gain a better understanding of the water.
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Re: Black Spots
« Reply #8 on: February 13, 2011, 08:26:38 PM »

Ok well I'd stop with the ph buffer then Smiley

So just to make things clear you had one fish brought another three and they all passed away bar one? Yes? The one in the photo died yet the one that remains does have the black spots on their body aswell?

I wish I could answer you about these black spots, I really don't see how they could fall off but I really don't know  Undecided Are you sure it isn't something else? I wouldn't be treating for parasites now, it could be parasites but as Summer Time said your fish does sound very weak and I would sort out your water quality first!! Alot of things come down to water quality so if a fish gets sick that is the first thing you look at.

I would not take the fish to the pet shop, you may have already done this but people at pet shops often do not know what they are talking about!! This is why your fish got sick in the first place, because they did not care to share all the information you need to know to look after goldfish as they probably don't know themselves. I rarely even bother asking them questions anymore and when I have they barely answer the question, often it is wrong too.

I'm glad you are getting the test kit, it's best to get a liquid one by the way. Please the post the results on here as soon as you can, the prober results and we can tell you where to go from there Smiley

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Re: Black Spots
« Reply #9 on: February 13, 2011, 08:34:19 PM »

Okay, i brought some pictures to petco and they gave me some lifeguard all in one treatment for external fish diseases and I have to put 2 tablets into my tank every day because they said the black spots sounded like a type of worm. I did partial changes of the water a couple of times through out the day to make sure that it clean (this was after testing it and finding there was a bit of a high level of ammonia 1.0 to be exact). The water says there is no ammonia now which is good and I will make sure to test it at least twice a week. After part of the tablet to a small container in which I am keeping the fish with black dots for quarantine a lot of the black dots seemed to fall off leading me to believe it is in fact parasites. Shakespeare (the fish) seems to be doing a bit better and has perked up a bit and I hope from here on in it will be fine.
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Re: Black Spots
« Reply #10 on: February 13, 2011, 08:59:16 PM »

Parasites? Really? Did they even say what type of worm? Did they also explain that if it was a worm that they were the ones to give it to you?? Because they were, why aren't they treating their own fish if they have parasites  Roll Eyes

I still think it was ammonia burn as you did have ammonia present at an extremely high level!! Remember any trace of ammonia is toxic and you had 1.0ppm!

It may have actually been parasites, I dunno, I admit I'm at loss.

You now have to do alot of research so your fish does not get sick again!! Read the links I gave you and look up more stuff on the net, even borrow some books from the local library Smiley
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Re: Black Spots
« Reply #11 on: February 13, 2011, 11:16:23 PM »

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Re: Black Spots
« Reply #12 on: February 14, 2011, 11:44:54 AM »

If you see there is ammonia again, remember you can add some Prime to neutralize it, and then it won't cause any more burns.
I don't think ammonia burns fall off, that's why I thought they were parasites or flukes, but I could be wrong. Glad to hear you're on top of the water changes, one of the best things you can do for your fish.
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