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Elliriyanna
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Is something wrong with my fish?
« on: July 22, 2010, 01:57:40 PM »

Ok I have been doing water changes and everything else recommended and I noticed today that they have black patches starting to show ... It looks like maybe ammonia burn but I want a second opinion. And I know there is a thread about a sick fancy with burns but I wanna know what he has before I start treating them. They are already on Melafix and my Water conditioner has stresscoat

Please tell me what this looks like. and I am already doing water changes what else can I do? I will do anything for the little guys.

Sorry about the pictures my fish hate pictures... If I get any better ones I will post.

And I also added a pic of the new set up Smiley

a faint black is starting to show across Spaz's belly is it his color or what?

the very clear black dot on each side of his tail is coloration Smiley I just wanted to show that some if not all is normal coloration
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Re: Is something wrong with my fish?
« Reply #1 on: July 22, 2010, 06:48:14 PM »

From looking at your setup and what you've said so far, i would lean more towards ammonia burn. The only way to know for sure is by doing a water test to check for the ammonia level.  While you are waiting to get a test kit, i suggest you reduce their feeding to at most one time per day and do a 10-15 %   water change daily.  Once you know the exact water parameters with the api test kit, you can adjust the feeding and water change schedule to make sure the levels stay in the safe zone.
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Elliriyanna
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Re: Is something wrong with my fish?
« Reply #2 on: July 22, 2010, 07:28:52 PM »

Ok I am looking at water test kits online I think I may just splurge and get one ... yeah I need to save my money but I need to take care of them more importantly.... Anyway i'm going to get the API master kit. Smiley
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Re: Is something wrong with my fish?
« Reply #3 on: July 23, 2010, 02:05:16 AM »

Ellirianna, take a water sample (about half a glass full is plenty - just in case they need to repeat a test ) to the pet shop to test it and watch how they are doing it and how they read it. They should do it in your presence, while you're watching. Those tests should be free of charge. Please do it ASAP. This is very important

I tend to say ammonia burn too.
Also very important now, that you do those waterchanges daily.

I like your new set up very much. Maybe later on you can add a few more Elodea or Hornworth.

API Master Test Kit is very good, this is what I am using too.
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Re: Is something wrong with my fish?
« Reply #4 on: July 23, 2010, 03:39:04 AM »

Considering your position, it's most likely ammonia burns, BUT since you added meds, it could also be that the fish are healing from previous burns. The skin cells of fish turn black when they're healing from wounds and the like Smiley

But please, grab some water and go have it tested at the pet shop to know for sure! Smiley It's important business!

Other than that, just follow the already given advice, that's what I'd do Tongue
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Re: Is something wrong with my fish?
« Reply #5 on: July 23, 2010, 09:43:00 AM »

I actually got this test kit (Link is not visible to guests. Please register to view.) It has good reviews and if you read them it does have a nitrate test and is just like the API test kit but cheaper only 20 with shipping. And I will go to the pet store to have a water test. But how is knowing going to help? I mean i'm already doing all I can for everything.
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Re: Is something wrong with my fish?
« Reply #6 on: July 23, 2010, 04:19:45 PM »

Having the test results you will know WHAT is wrong. You will know WHERE you stand with the cycling. You learn how to interprete the results.
Write them down and let us know. We guide you through.  Wink

Continue with your 15% daily waterchanges, You are doing well. Smiley
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Re: Is something wrong with my fish?
« Reply #7 on: July 23, 2010, 10:03:31 PM »

I didnt get to the pet store today my ride is not very dependable.

and i am doing every other day water changes. And thank you Smiley
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Re: Is something wrong with my fish?
« Reply #8 on: July 24, 2010, 03:53:42 AM »

No worries, just go there as soon as you can Wink
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Re: Is something wrong with my fish?
« Reply #9 on: July 24, 2010, 09:32:06 AM »

I am going to try to go today and maybe also get some ammonia neutralizer they have ammonia burns and i'm not sure if they are healing or what but if the test comes back with high ammonia ( as it probably will) Then I will get it.

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Re: Is something wrong with my fish?
« Reply #10 on: July 24, 2010, 03:29:59 PM »

they used test strips so the readings arent overly great but ... ammonia .75 , nitrite less than 1, nitrate over 1 and PH is 8
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Re: Is something wrong with my fish?
« Reply #11 on: July 24, 2010, 04:48:15 PM »

Your tank is getting there, keep doing those waterchanges.
Ammonia and Nitrite should show 0 and Nitrate no more than 40, less is better.
You'll make it girl Cheesy
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Re: Is something wrong with my fish?
« Reply #12 on: July 24, 2010, 05:50:09 PM »

well I found out when I went today that the melafix isnt working cuz i didnt take out the carbon so GRR gotta retreat them. They had the most beautiful bettas today .... SO MUCH TEMPTATION a beautiful orange and blue crowntail and a dark blue and red male with iridescent green on his tail ... I wanted one so bad Sad   
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Re: Is something wrong with my fish?
« Reply #13 on: July 25, 2010, 04:58:24 AM »

Oh crap, I forgot to warn you (or anyone) about the carbon filters since I'm not using any myself Sad Well, just take the carbon pads out and dose again Tongue

The bettas sound so beautiful Smiley I was thinking about getting one to my 8 gallon. And placing some other small fish with him Smiley Didn't quite decide which ones yet... there was a beautiful cream-purple one and a glowing red one in the pet shop lately Smiley
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Re: Is something wrong with my fish?
« Reply #14 on: July 25, 2010, 06:30:16 AM »

I've seen some more pretty betta beauties lately too... ooohh aren't they gorgeous fish. and so intelligent too Cheesy

and i can cuddle our golden babies all the time, lol... must tell you sth funny I ROFLMAO... had this grass in the tank and Hepsiba ate one thinn grass.... the whole thing came out her vent again, without any damage. was so funny seeing a piece of grass hanging out her behind  Grin
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Re: Is something wrong with my fish?
« Reply #15 on: July 25, 2010, 08:34:33 AM »

LOL thats terrible. My fish refuse to eat the plants lol. And looks like i may be getting that lovely male very soon Smiley I think I found a person with a nice pond for them Smiley
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Re: Is something wrong with my fish?
« Reply #16 on: July 25, 2010, 02:48:28 PM »

Hanna: AWW! That's just... xD I don't know what to say! Lololo. Something similar happened today with my mom's female molly xD It was something HUGE coming out of her o_O to think that something this big would fit in something relatively small...

and one of our molly babies was eaten today Sad My fiance pointed at two of them saying "Oh look at them babies! How cute! Cheesy" And then our little fantail, Pliskin, came by casually and swallowed one of them whole. I wonder why it's like that that most things he point out that are cute die soon after xD It happened to a small bird too that he saw and commented how adorable it is when running on the ground and then our cat jumped at it and took it away xD Sad stories...

Elli: Be sure to post pics once you have him! Grin
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Re: Is something wrong with my fish?
« Reply #17 on: July 25, 2010, 05:24:48 PM »

The guy told me my goldfish are not worth it and flush them Sad So I am not getting my betta soon but I am also NOT taking his advice. Yes I want a betta and it suits me better but not if I have to do something that horrible to my babies
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Re: Is something wrong with my fish?
« Reply #18 on: July 26, 2010, 05:49:19 AM »

Hi Elli, I think if sbdy would say sth like this to me, that person would have felt my hand in his face.
I really wonder about some people how disrespectful they can be. Those ones really do not deserve anything grrr can you see those clouds in the sky??? they are not really clouds, this is me fuming....

anyway, Elli I am sure you can look after them, you've got all our support on here Wink
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Re: Is something wrong with my fish?
« Reply #19 on: July 26, 2010, 10:03:26 AM »

well I called him because he said he had a few ponds he could keep them in. And I know I can take care of them. I also just found out that I can get a two gallon for my dorm and put my betta in it Smiley * squeals *

Of course I have to take care of things first like school and family and buying things for the present my friends are getting me ( I cant say what it is cuz its expensive and everyone keeps scolding me for liking it so much Sad ( its nothing bad though)
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Re: Is something wrong with my fish?
« Reply #20 on: July 27, 2010, 05:35:31 AM »

They're getting it because they want to, don't feel bad about it d:
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Re: Is something wrong with my fish?
« Reply #21 on: July 27, 2010, 08:28:39 AM »

LOL I dont feel bed about getting her she is lovely ... ( though I'm a tomboy so its surprising i like her lol ) its everyone else that has a problem with it.

The goldfish are doing well Smiley super active but I had to take out my guppies since the goldies were tormenting them. They are now in my half gallon bowl for some reason they only reached less than a half inch each so they are fine Smiley doing water changes and they produce very little waist
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Re: Is something wrong with my fish?
« Reply #22 on: July 30, 2010, 01:40:05 PM »

I just retested the water today and the ammonia is still .25 ppm, PH is still 8, nitrites are 0 and nitrates are 5-10 ppm
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Re: Is something wrong with my fish?
« Reply #23 on: July 30, 2010, 04:49:39 PM »

Hi Elli, I posted for you in "general discussion" Wink
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Re: Is something wrong with my fish?
« Reply #24 on: August 01, 2010, 03:58:09 PM »

Thanks Smiley I went out and bought a one gallon Betta tank today Smiley Filter aerator .. gonna get a heater. Its a temp set up til I can get the ten gallon free ( not that I dont love Bubbles and Spaz Smiley ) But I'm so EXCITED!!!!! I love bettas Smiley

I've decided to get a crowntail Smiley I know its not ideal but they can thrive with proper care ... and we all know I will work my butt off for there health Smiley
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Re: Is something wrong with my fish?
« Reply #25 on: August 02, 2010, 05:15:59 AM »

I read in a previous thread that you were considering giving your goldfish back to the shop. So in that case, maybe you should leave your betta tank waiting until things have sorted out with your goldfish? It could be too much work for you to keep an eye on two cycling tanks at once... Undecided
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Re: Is something wrong with my fish?
« Reply #26 on: August 02, 2010, 08:16:24 AM »

my goldfish tank at the level its at ... should be finished cycling in less than two weeks Smiley YAY Smiley only problem is there ammonia ... But I think if I get something that removes that all will be good Smiley They are doing so much better.
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Re: Is something wrong with my fish?
« Reply #27 on: August 02, 2010, 11:45:53 AM »

Glad to hear the fish are doing well Smiley

By the way, it's not that terrible to have two fish in a 10 gallon, I think the main problem for you happens to be that you didn't know about the nitrogen cycle so your fish kinda overwhelmed the filter system Wink It should be fine once it'll be cycled Smiley
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Re: Is something wrong with my fish?
« Reply #28 on: August 02, 2010, 04:55:49 PM »

Thanks Smiley people just make it sound SO cruel to keep my fish like this when I truly am doing EVERYTHING for them. And noone ever tells you about the cycle ( at the pet store i mean) So I am trying my best.

How do I do a fishless cycle? Or with everything I've learned with the goldfish will a betta be ok to cycle with in another tank?
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Re: Is something wrong with my fish?
« Reply #29 on: August 02, 2010, 06:23:59 PM »

Elli you doing extra well.
But I know what you mean, I went through the same experience. I didn't know anything about cycling, etc.... only get a tank with some gravel, plants, water, filtersystem which comes with the tank and put the fish in, feed them a couple of times per day.... until I found this little forum here and THANKS to Nossie, Mindemae, Kat, Andrea, Katie I learned a lot and stil learning Wink

Like lately I learned that the beneficial bacteria are not all over the place in a tank but mainly in the filter substrate.

Now, how to do a fishless cycle or at least start fishless: get some of your filtersubstrate of your already established tank into the new filter for the new tank. Set the tank up, put some fishfood in it and beneficial bacteria according to instructions on the bottle how much you need to start up a new tank. You may need to repeat this for a few times.

I did use "Stability" from Seachem lately. It sais it avoids the "new tank syndrome". Test the water regularly, including pH as bettas like the more acidic water than goldfish. Your tank will be cycled when ammonia and nitrite are 0 and nitrate is showing. This one should't exceed 40 ppm.

It is exciting setting up a new tank Grin, please post pics soon, cannot wait
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