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cambojnr
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is this a disease?
« on: April 29, 2012, 05:49:01 PM »

bought this shubunkin today for my 60l tank and was wondering if this is a disease? as I didint notice this until earlier, our is this just something normal that will go away as I have 3 more shubunkins 2 in another tank and none of them have this,could it be anchor worm? so any help will be appreciated thanks.
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Nossie
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Re: is this a disease?
« Reply #1 on: April 30, 2012, 02:07:37 AM »

Anchor worms don't look like that. If you bought the fish just recently you should have it separated in a quarantine tank with a .3% concentration of salt for two weeks, that way you can be sure. From the picture, I can't really tell anything Undecided

How big are your tanks?
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cambojnr
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Re: is this a disease?
« Reply #2 on: April 30, 2012, 04:30:36 AM »

one 60 litre & a 20l I have 2 shubunkins in each as the 20l is my old tank and the shubunkins have been in there a few months and there very active and i'll be moving them in to the bigger tank in a couple of weeks once the other 2 are settled, and the other fish I bought yesterday are in my new 60l tank which has been up a week and cycled using nutrafin cycle which worked fine wth my other tank and seems to be the same case with the newbies so far, and  they fish both look fine except from that little thing, i'll try get better pic
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Skwishee
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Re: is this a disease?
« Reply #3 on: April 30, 2012, 06:19:44 AM »

So is the string thing, hanging from underneath the fishes mouth?
Is it acting oddly in any way? Such as bottom sitting, flashing, not eating etc.

May I ask what tank the shubunkins are being upgraded too? How big are they now?
Being single tailed fish they need a lot of room for swimming, ideally a tank that's around 6 foot minimum in length or a decent sized pond Smiley
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Re: is this a disease?
« Reply #4 on: April 30, 2012, 06:51:20 AM »

I agree with Skwishee Smiley You should really consider getting larger tanks, the 60 liter is barely enough to hold one fantail (which are rounder, smaller and slower than shubunkins...) so you get the point. I wouldn't keep a singletailed fish in anything smaller than a 200 liter, and even that is pushing it.

That kind of small things are usually nothing to worry about, most likely a small wound or something that it'll shrug right off.
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cambojnr
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Re: is this a disease?
« Reply #5 on: April 30, 2012, 07:48:59 AM »

the fish are all 4-5 cm and at 2litres per cm 60 litres is fine for them atm cause I dont have room for a bigger tank, the 2 shubunkins I've had for 2 months now are doing great in there 20l, and the ones I got yesterday are still getting used to there new habitat, they mainly hide in the statue thing I have put in for them and come out and swim about when am not areound, I havent fed them yet as i was told to leave them for 24 hours before feeding, and that thing has nearly gone now as it was much bigger yesterday than it is now.
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Skwishee
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Re: is this a disease?
« Reply #6 on: May 01, 2012, 05:16:38 AM »

Hi Cambonjr,

I can appreciate the fish are small right now, but they need space to grow.
Shubunkins can easily reach up to 30cm's in size. With single tailed goldfish I personally don't think counting litres per cm of the fish is adequate enough. Can you imagine one 30cm adult goldfish swimming happily in your 60 litre tank?!

A rule I came across, which I think suits goldfish more, is having a tank size that is 6x the length of the fish.
For example I currently have a common goldfish in a 100 litre/3 foot tank by herself, she is only around 3 1/2 inches, so using the 6x fish length rule, I know she needs to be moved as soon as she hits 6 inches.

I will be upgrading her to a pond, whether that pond is with me or someone else I'm not entirely sure, but she is getting a pond next Spring regardless. Because it will be much better for her, than being stuck in some tank.

Also those shubunkin may be doing okay in a 20 litre for now, but please upgrade their tank size as soon as you can. The issue's that keeping goldfish in a tank that is too small, is that their growth will be affected, water quality can become an issue too as the fish grow and the tank becomes over stocked.
Believe me, I've had it happen. I was in a similar situation to yourself, with keeping two goldfish in a 21 litre tank, I lost one and the one that survived is now stunted, because I was un able to get a larger tank right away. She was in the 21 litre tank for only 5 months and it's already slowed her growth.

In the 5 months she was in the 21 litre tank, she grew an inch or two, in the 3 or 4 months she's been in the 100 litre tank, she's grown half an inch, if that.

Goldfish do most of their growing in the first few years, which is why tank size is important.
It may seem like a 5 cm fish doesn't need a bigger tank right now, but it's not going to be that size for long, if it has sufficient space to grow.

Sorry for rambling slightly, I can appreciate if you don't have the space for a bigger tank, I don't have the space for a bigger tank either, which is why I've been considering ponds.

I did put together a thread about housing single tailed goldfish, some of what I wrote, I've repeated here, but do have a look, it might give you some idea's on other ways to accommodate the fish; (Link is not visible to guests. Please register to view.)

Let us know how you get on Smiley
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Re: is this a disease?
« Reply #7 on: May 01, 2012, 05:43:55 AM »

Tank Recommendations
 

Common Goldfish:

40 gallons (48 US gallons, 180 litres) for the first fish with an extra 12 gallons (14 US gallons, 55 litres) for each extra fish. The tank needs to have a minimum length of 4 feet (120cm) to allow swimming room. Single tail goldfish are more suited to a pond when they are near full size to give them swimming room.

 

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Re: is this a disease?
« Reply #8 on: May 01, 2012, 07:24:28 AM »

well if they get to big my next door neighbour has a pond, so i'll just put them in there and get some babys again.
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Re: is this a disease?
« Reply #9 on: May 01, 2012, 07:28:27 AM »

and also for the 60litre do you think putting some shrimp in to help clean up scraps will be good?
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Re: is this a disease?
« Reply #10 on: May 01, 2012, 07:44:48 AM »

The fish will get too big, it's not really a case of 'if' more 'when' Smiley they'll get stunted being kept in a 20 or 60 litre tank. So if your neighbour has space to take the fish, then once the weather is suitable (depending on where you live) they could be moved.

I wouldn't get baby shubunkin goldfish again, you'll only end up in the same situation.

I'm not sure about shrimp in your 60 litre, it depends on what other fish you have in there Smiley Shrimp have their own requirements, such as needing a mature tank, they are very sensitive. They also need a gentle current and the inlet of your filter may need to be altered, such as the inlet being covered with a sponge or something similar, otherwise baby shrimp can and will be sucked up. A planted tank is also a good idea with shrimp, they like things like java moss and areas to hide in I believe.

I would suggest researching them, I don't know much about them Smiley
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Re: is this a disease?
« Reply #11 on: May 01, 2012, 08:33:32 AM »

 Forget Goldfish completely until you are prepared to invest in a suitable tank, and care for them properly.

Why not go tropical, If you only want a small tank? 60L could house ONE small plec or a small shoal of Tetra
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« Reply #12 on: May 01, 2012, 09:03:44 AM »

A few platies would do great in a 60 liter! Or danios, maybe guppies? There are so many other nice fish to keep if you aren't prepared to invest for the goldfish. It doesn't matter how small the fish are, the tanks are too small. This is easy to notice if you compare your fish to others that have been in a pond or a large tank.

I have two soon 3-year old goldfish and they're both about the same size as my 2-year-olds because they were originally kept in a 30 liter tank for less than a year! It really has an impact on them, and it will show sooner than you think.
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Re: is this a disease?
« Reply #13 on: May 01, 2012, 10:03:23 AM »

well when they get to big i'll put them in the pond next door if he has room and convert it to a tropical tank as I got a heater with with tank, would i just be able to keep the same water and just put the heater in and change the filter cartridges to the tropical ones as I have a marina s15
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Re: is this a disease?
« Reply #14 on: May 01, 2012, 11:29:46 AM »

They already are too big Wink
It depends on what fish you want to get, you need to do the research yourself on whatever species you're interested in and learn about their requirements.We can't serve it all on a silver platter for you here since we don't know what you want.
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Re: is this a disease?
« Reply #15 on: May 01, 2012, 11:39:12 AM »

Nossie, to quote from the Good Book___Eyes have they and see not, Ears have they and hear not...
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Re: is this a disease?
« Reply #16 on: May 01, 2012, 11:40:33 AM »

Nice one, scrivens! I'm going to remember that quote... Smiley
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