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negusma
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is this a good tank?
« on: December 15, 2010, 02:12:51 AM »

Hi.
ive recently decided to get some goldfish.
i have brought the tank which also came with a filter and light.
its a vitapet marine master ezistart 35L tank.

i was just wondering if this is a good tank to get.
also, is a 35 liter tank big enough for 3 goldfish.



i would also like to note that the shop where i brought the tank from didn't sell tanks larger than 35L.
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Re: is this a good tank?
« Reply #1 on: December 15, 2010, 02:26:56 AM »

if my calculation is right, that's a ten gallon tank: much too small for three goldfish.

You want to stay with this general rule of thumb -> 10 gallons (35 L) per goldfish. this gives them enough room to move, and it keeps your water from becoming too polluted too quickly.
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negusma
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« Reply #2 on: December 15, 2010, 02:34:19 AM »

well, 35 liter tank looks big
and i have a friend with a smaller tank (around 20 liters) and he has 4 goldfish and hes fish are going alright.
do you think 35 liters is at least enough for 2 goldfish?
because i would really like to at least have 2.
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« Reply #3 on: December 15, 2010, 03:17:21 AM »

It's not big enough for 2 and if you only kept one goldfish it would eventually become too small once it starts to grow. I had a small goldfish in a 10 gallon and fought with keeping water clean for months before I bought a 27 gallon.  And I ran 2 power filters on that 10 gallon.  Even when I transferred my fish into the larger tank after cycling it first for approx. a month, I still had spikes in ammonia and nitrites both of which are harmful to your fish. It's been 3 weeks since switching tanks and everything is finally settling down. Save yourself the frustration and get a bigger tank, set it up and cycle it and by the early new year, you can get some fish friends Smiley
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« Reply #4 on: December 15, 2010, 03:50:46 AM »

No, no, no, nooooo!!! If you can't get anything bigger, put a betta in there or some other tropical fish. Goldfish need alot of room to live a long, happy and healthy life. As already said a minimum of 10 gallons or about 40 litres, so you may be able to keep ONE goldfish in there but with lots of water maintenance!

By any chance are you from Australia and this tank is from Big W?? If so I've seen the tank, it is not big, I have the 22L tank and had lots of problems with that just with one goldfish in it! Go somewhere else, there is plenty of other pet shops which have bigger tanks if you must have 3 goldfish.

I have a friend who barely feeds her dog but the dog is still going alright  Roll Eyes If you catch my drift....
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« Reply #5 on: December 15, 2010, 04:13:21 AM »

yes, i am from australia and yes this tank is from big w.
i would love to get a bigger tank but it really comes down to 2 limiting factors,
cash (of which i have little of) and space (of which i also have little of).

is there any good tropical fish that you could recommend me to get?
something that would live for a long time, look nice and preferably something that isn't really small.


and i suppose i could just get 1 goldfish, i don't really mind.

is it possible to have 1 goldfish and 1 or 2 smaller fish in this tank?
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« Reply #6 on: December 15, 2010, 04:26:37 AM »

Well you couldn't get anything to big in a 35 litre tank, I am no expert on tropical fish, but I think the rule is 1 litre to every 2cm of fish. That is when they are fully grown as some fish start off small such as clown loachs and ghost knife fish but grow huge!!

Hopefully someone can came on later and help you out. I know Hanna has some great tropical tanks which aren't too big so she should could help you stock your tank Smiley

I could say fish like:
*fighting fish
*platys
*mollies
*bristlenose
*dwarf gourami
*upside down catfish

All very interesting fish in my mind and some share the same personalities as goldfish if you ask me  Wink

I really hope you go with the tropical fish instead but remember not to overstock that tank either and cycle it first Smiley Look up the nitrogen cycle if you don't know what I'm talking about.
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« Reply #7 on: December 15, 2010, 04:29:35 AM »

Just saw the last bit of your post. No, because goldfish need 40 litres each so there would be no room left over for this other fish and soon you would see very high nitrates which would kill your fish. You may also see ammonia which you should never see in a cycled tank and is extremely toxic to fish.

Either just ONE goldfish OR some tropical fish. I think the tropical fish option would be better as it is a bit small for a goldfish Smiley
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« Reply #8 on: December 15, 2010, 04:46:16 AM »

Check and see if you can find a used setup.
Sometimes people post right at the pet stores their used aquarium for sale.
You might get  a lot more for your money that way!! Smiley
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« Reply #9 on: December 15, 2010, 05:11:08 AM »

Yep, I agree, don't even think about putting a goldfish in there. Get some tropical fish, maybe some gouramis? They grow to be a very suitable size Smiley Not too small, and not too big Cheesy The most common one is the three spot gourami, it's blue, with two black spots on the body. You might want to buy a pair, a female and a male, you can gender them by looking at the dorsal fin, the males have pointier fin than the girls Wink Two males would simply kill eachother. These should grow to be about 10cm each... now, to stock the tank correctly, you will want to provide 2liters of water per cm of fish body, so each fish needs 20 liters. If you'd go for these gouramis, you wouldn't be able to keep anything more at all, if you'd get only one gourami, you could use the remaining 15 liters for a few bristlenoses or some live bearers? Smiley Just check that their water quality requirements match, and DON'T BUY ANYTHING TOO BIG FOR THE TANK. You put yourself in a pretty tight situation buying such a small tank, so you can't stock it with anything too exquisite.
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« Reply #10 on: December 15, 2010, 05:14:36 AM »

ok, i just had a thought.
right now i cant afford a bigger tank.
but in the future, maybe 2-3 years time i will be able to afford a bigger tank.
so, if i get 2 goldfish in this 35L tank now, and in 2-3 years i buy a bigger tank, would this be good?

of coarse, i will probably go with tropical fish anyway. im just wondering if this is an option.
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« Reply #11 on: December 15, 2010, 05:19:19 AM »

NO!!! and again no way!!
Goldfish grow extremely fast.
It would be like keeping your large dog in a tiny crate all the time.
They would be miserable!!
PLease do no not get 2 goldfish.
ONE ONLY!!
Your friend may have 4 goldfish in a smaller tank but they are suffering and soon they will die of lack of oxygen or ammonia poisoning.  You would have to do water changes everyday almost!!  Save yourself, heartache and alot of work....get something smaller.  How about a nice school of neon tetras? Wink
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Re: is this a good tank?
« Reply #12 on: December 15, 2010, 05:35:35 AM »

The bare max of time with keeping 2 goldfish in a 10 gallon tank would be 10 months.
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« Reply #13 on: December 15, 2010, 05:39:13 AM »

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The bare max of time with keeping 2 goldfish in a 10 gallon tank would be 10 months.

wow, i didn't realize they grew that fast.

tomorrow i will go to the pet shop and see what they have to say about it.
in the end, i'll probably either go with tropical fish or one goldfish then later when i can buy a bigger tank, get a second one.
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« Reply #14 on: December 15, 2010, 05:41:38 AM »

I don't think the people in the pet shop will know anymore than us about stocking  Roll Eyes Especially if it is a chain store.
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« Reply #15 on: December 15, 2010, 06:56:20 AM »

yeah we would all be good petstore enployeses
Sorry me and my sister were fighting and she was messing with the keys.
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« Reply #16 on: December 15, 2010, 10:42:22 AM »

No don't bother asking in the pet shop. I'll be unfair and assume that you go to bigger stores where the staff knows nothing about fish-keeping except that "a bowl is fine for two-three goldfish." I would definitely recommend you getting your own knowledge. Borrow some books from the library and read about different species that won't outgrow the tank for now.

Actually, it usually won't end well if you have the kind of attitude that tells you that "I can buy a few fish now and upgrade later" because most fish won't like until "later". Especially not goldfish. The key to keeping fish, is planning in advance how many you want to keep, and buy a tank appropriate for that, or even bigger.
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« Reply #17 on: December 15, 2010, 01:20:25 PM »

I'm not understanding why you are not accepting these recommendations above.  The list of tropicals posted are of very fun fish to have as you can have a small group Smiley I wish you great success.
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« Reply #18 on: December 15, 2010, 03:36:07 PM »

HI negusma,
WELCOME to the forum,

I've seen those tanks too at BigW and at Kmart. I know they are advertised as Goldfish Starter Kit, unfortunately....
I learned the harder way too, had a much to small tank, 34 l for 2 goldfish about 4-5 cm big. They grew quick, after only 2 months I had to get a 3ft tank, now they are about 12 cm big in less than 10 months.

I advise you too: 10 gal = about 40 l per goldfish.
Or you want to stock your 34 l with other species. I keep one Siamese Fighter with 6 Rasboras and 2 Cory Panda in a 20 l tank, in the 34 l  there are 10 Neons, 6 Glowlights and 3 Yoyo loaches.

Apart from that if you want to keep fish you need the following too:

Freshwater testkit for Ammonia, Nitrite, Nitrate and pH  ( API MasterTestKit for Freshwater )
Waterconditioner to remove chlorine, chloramine and heavy metals from tapwater. ( Prime from Seachem )
Beneficial bacteria ( STABILITY from Seachem )
Very good filter
Airstone and pump
Pimafix and Melafix
LIVE plants
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« Reply #19 on: December 15, 2010, 03:38:58 PM »

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The bare max of time with keeping 2 goldfish in a 10 gallon tank would be 10 months.

Wrong fantailer... 2 months max, they grow quick, very quick.
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« Reply #20 on: December 15, 2010, 03:47:10 PM »

Sth else, negusma

Fishkeeping is not about putting water in a tank and put the fish in.
Fishkeeping is about planning in advance as Nossie said ( tank size in relation to how many and what kind of fish you wanna stock) , patience to let the tank cycle first. It also is science to understand whats going on in the tank according to Nitrogen Cycle, Photosynthesis, etc.

Please take the advice given here from us, you also may like to browse different posts we posted on here

Good Luck and let us know which way you decided to go Wink
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« Reply #21 on: December 15, 2010, 04:05:00 PM »

Hanna know your suprising me!
I never knew they grew that fast! Luckily I am moving my goldies in less than a month.
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« Reply #22 on: December 15, 2010, 09:22:18 PM »

as of this point, i have decided to try and go with siamese fighting fish.
but i have a few questions first,
how many can i safely keep in this tank?
from what my research indicates, 2 males would fight, 1 male and 1 female would mate.
so, should i stick to females?
do i need a air pump?
and can i get away with not having a heater?
i really cant afford to buy a heater nor can i afford the power bill,
i know it wont use a lot of power, but my family is very power conscience.
however, i will get a heater if its absolutely necessary.

of course, i have yet to see if the pet shop has these fish in stock
so i might have to go with something else yet. but i'll cross that bridge when it comes.
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« Reply #23 on: December 15, 2010, 10:04:33 PM »

after thinking about it, i might just stick to my original plan,
get 1 goldfish and me done with it.
im sure one goldfish can live in a 35L tank.
and regardless of what i do, i will eventually get a bigger tank when i can afford it (hopefully within a year).


thanks for all your help.
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« Reply #24 on: December 15, 2010, 10:33:09 PM »

35 L is not enough for one goldfish. Goldfish need at least 38 Liters (10 gallons) and by the time you put in your gravel, ornaments, plants etc...the water volume will be even less.
And sometimes companies measure how much water their tanks would hold if you were to fill it all the way to the top...which you do not do.
Those tanks from Big W aren't that good quality either. They would be fine for a few smaller tropicals but I don't think the filtration that it comes with would be enough to handle the waste produced by a goldfish.
I think you would be better with something like this for a goldfish:
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Scroll down to page 22 there is an aqua one aquarium for $89 including gravel, heater, filter, water conditioner and tropical food. So this tank could be used for 1 goldfish or a nice collection of tropical fish.
I posted the one from Pet Barn because they have a lot of stores around Australia and thats a fairly sweet price.
Let me know what you think Smiley
Ohh and one more thing if you do decide to go with the goldfish I would be sticking with the fancy varieties - do not get a common, comet or shubunkin unless you are planning to get a bigger tank as they tend to grow much bigger and need more room to swim Smiley
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« Reply #25 on: December 15, 2010, 11:49:24 PM »

I think your tossing and turning between what fish you are going to get shows everyone the fact that you shouldn't be getting one yet  Undecided Why waste your money on a tank which you will have to replace in a matter of months? You could just save it for the bigger tank, doesn't that seem like the smart thing to do? Honestly?

Do you know anything else about looking after goldfish?? Please tell me what your next steps would be and what other things you need bar the tank?

Don't you have any other pet shops around you where you can get a bigger and better tank? Surprisingly I think the filters from Big W are pretty good, BUT I just don't see why you are wasting your money on a tank you are going to have to replace??
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« Reply #26 on: December 16, 2010, 12:03:26 AM »

Oh really that is surprising. I have never used one...I just made the assumption based on the brand/price Smiley
But yes you have a lot more research and planning to do before you are ready to buy any fish.
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« Reply #27 on: December 16, 2010, 05:00:44 AM »

It's not great, just good for the price  Wink But no matter what a tank that is too small for a goldfish is going to see a constant build up of nitrates.
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« Reply #28 on: December 16, 2010, 11:48:26 AM »

negusma: For the last time: N-O.
Don't even think about getting a goldfish for that tank. It will be more expensive trying to keep the poor animal alive than to simply WAIT UNTIL YOU CAN AFFORD A BIGGER TANK if you are so determined to have a goldfish.

Besides, I wouldn't keep a goldie in anything smaller than an 80 liter, because of the measurements and space. A 40 liter is surprisingly small and uncomfortable for a fully grown 10-15cm goldfish.
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« Reply #29 on: December 17, 2010, 06:22:35 AM »

negusma: What type of goldfish are getting ? here is a guide for sizes

Common Goldfish: 12 in
Comet Goldfish: 11 in
Shubunkin Goldfish: 10 in
Black Moor Goldfish: 10 in
Panda Moor Goldfish: 10 in
Oranda Goldfish: 10 in
Fantail Goldfish: 8 in
Ryunkin and Ranchu Goldfish: 8 in
Lionhead and Lionchu Goldfish: 8 in
Pearscale Goldfish: 8 in

Other Great Fish
Koi: 35 in
All Kinds of Beta Fish not Including the King Beta: 3 in
King Beta: 6 in
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