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Elliriyanna
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Is this normal for a goldfish?
« on: July 16, 2010, 01:32:10 PM »

I recently bought two baby goldfish and am housing them in a ten gallon aquarium ( with my two baby guppies that i had nowhere else to put). Everyone seems to be getting along great the water is clear and good temp and all the basic stuff is right. But my goldfish hide in there log ALL the time and when i approach the tank to feed them if they are out they swim away as fast as they can. Also i feed them plenty to keep them happy and not bloated but they are always scavenging and begging like they aren't eating.

also my tank is not planted but if that will help them i will get them plants and they only swim on the bottom but as far as i can tell are still very active.

But my one little one has eaten fins( he had them when i bought him) is there anything that will help them heal or will it affect him? he seems to be fine

PS. I know ten gallons is not enough for them but i already bought them and I will release them into a pond when they are older if need be. But my dorm will only allow up to ten gallons  
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Re: Is this normal for a goldfish?
« Reply #1 on: July 16, 2010, 02:16:11 PM »

first off get a water test kit and use it

if u have fish it is a good thing to get primafix and melafix melafix will help heaL FINS it might take a while for your fish to used to u just give it time.
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Re: Is this normal for a goldfish?
« Reply #2 on: July 16, 2010, 03:34:21 PM »

Where can i get a water test kit relatively inexpensive?

I will look into primafix and melafix

what is the best fish food for them? I want them healthy
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Re: Is this normal for a goldfish?
« Reply #3 on: July 16, 2010, 07:50:37 PM »

Your local petstore will have everything you'll need to keep happy and healthy fish.
I recommend the API MasterTestKit for Freshwater fish. It is not "cheap" but you'll get the best value out of it
You will need to test for the following: Ammonia, Nitrite, Nitrate and pH.

But there is sth else: Your tank is OVERSTOCKED. ...as you know... so why did you buy them now in the first place knowing this?
According to their behavoiur they feel stressed, uncomfortable and unhappy
Goldfish grow fairly quick, rule of thumb is 10 gallons per goldfish... and you DO have 2 guppies in there as well, if they are male and female, they will have babies very soon. They are livebearers!

Another mistake: DO NOT FEED PLENTY,  P L E A S E  only feed as much as they eat in 1-2 minutes and only twice a day. Goldfish are messy fish, they would eat the whole day if you give them food the whole day. They produce lots of waste. So overfeeding - sorry, but you've done that - will cause your fish to be constipated, to feel stressed and it will be prone to have deseases. As they produce LOTs of waste they pollute the water very quickly and swim in their own sewerage. You MUST provide best filtration and aeration.

Another thing to mention: Goldfish are coldwater fish, Guppies are tropicals. They also do have different dietary requirements. Sure you've seen the different foods for different species.

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Re: Is this normal for a goldfish?
« Reply #4 on: July 16, 2010, 08:18:20 PM »

i feed them a little once a day how is that overfeeding? when i said plenty i meant enough to keep them healthy and i found out overstocked AFTER i got them. Both of my guppies are female so no babies and the guppies were born in my old tank.

all the stuff you are saying i know the bloating and how much space they need and dietary requirements ... i know all the basics i just needed advice from fish owners not to be fed facts

i wanted to know if anyone has seen the behavior. Plus soon i am rehoming them and staring a betta tank but i am keeping them til they are long enough for them to be ready for a pond. but i wanna keep them as happy and healthy as possible
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Re: Is this normal for a goldfish?
« Reply #5 on: July 16, 2010, 08:45:13 PM »

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I recently bought two baby goldfish and am housing them in a ten gallon aquarium ( with my two baby guppies that i had nowhere else to put). Everyone seems to be getting along great the water is clear and good temp and all the basic stuff is right. But my goldfish hide in there log ALL the time and when i approach the tank to feed them if they are out they swim away as fast as they can. Also i feed them plenty to keep them happy and not bloated but they are always scavenging and begging like they aren't eating.

also my tank is not planted but if that will help them i will get them plants and they only swim on the bottom but as far as i can tell are still very active.

But my one little one has eaten fins( he had them when i bought him) is there anything that will help them heal or will it affect him? he seems to be fine

PS. I know ten gallons is not enough for them but i already bought them and I will release them into a pond when they are older if need be. But my dorm will only allow up to ten gallons 

Hi Ellirianna,

well, sure you admit that according to your first post nobody would be able to understand that you feed little and that you found it out after you got them, and it didn't seem that  the stuff or facts I fed you you already know.

No reason to be upset, as you asked for advice which I gave you according to the content of your first post......

And yes, I mentioned too about the behavoiur...they don't feel well in there. If they would they would come to the front and wiggle and "dance" for you.

Anyway... glad to hear you'll rehome then soon. Good luck with your fishies.
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Re: Is this normal for a goldfish?
« Reply #6 on: July 17, 2010, 04:56:18 AM »

First of all, Guppies HAVE similar water requirements as goldfish do. Both want alkaline water, and guppies want their water in a temp between 21-25 degrees Celsius, which is more or less the ideal temp for goldfish as well. THE PROBLEM IS THAT THE GOLDFISH WILL EAT THE GUPPIES AS THEY GROW. But for now, it's perfectly fine Smiley

I want you to also know that goldfish have no stomach, and especially while they grow, you need to feed them at least 3 times a day. So start feeding them more often but a smaller amount of food, and you should see them being much happier and healthier Smiley Make sure to get yourself a good quality staple pellet for your goldies, and feed your guppies with tropical fish flakes Smiley You could get some freeze-dried tubifex as well, they're usually sold in cubes, so take some small pieces of these and soak them awhile before you feed them to your fish Smiley This will add the extra protein your fish need while growing.

About the torn fins on your fish, I would dose some melafix in the tank, this is a natural remedy that will help your fish recover on its own Smiley

I think you could invest in some plants, because your fish are obviously a bit stressed, so they would probably want somewhere to hide. Java Fern are wonderful plants for this reason! The goldfish don't like how they taste, so they won't be eaten, and these plants have big, thick leaves that grow real densely, and this would be perfect to keep your fish safe Smiley

That's all I wanted to share for now, ask if there's anything you need to know Smiley
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Re: Is this normal for a goldfish?
« Reply #7 on: July 17, 2010, 07:42:08 AM »

Once again I gotta agree with what everyone else has already said. They have it right so if you listen to them all should be good Smiley Just one thing most likely (99.9% sure) your goldfish doesn't have eaten fins but fin rot which is caused by bad water quality and can end in death. Luckily it is very easy to treat first off test your water and make sure is has zero trace of ammonia in it. If it does please perform small water changes for a few days until it is better. Also as Nossie said treat with melafix, it is designed to heal fin rot and will work incredibly well if you also fix up your water.
Best of luck. Hope you can manage to get a new tank for the goldfish soon.
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Re: Is this normal for a goldfish?
« Reply #8 on: July 17, 2010, 08:19:05 PM »

Aww my poor little guy Sad i just assumed they were too crowded and underfed and munched on each other Sad I cant get them a new tank cuz the dorm but I am planning to rehome them. I also have a fourty gallon that i could put them in when i rehome them Smiley I will definetly get some Melafix when i get paid. It does not look like its getting any worse luckily.
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Re: Is this normal for a goldfish?
« Reply #9 on: July 17, 2010, 08:33:27 PM »

How long could i safely keep them in the ten gallon without them suffering?
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Re: Is this normal for a goldfish?
« Reply #10 on: July 17, 2010, 09:01:08 PM »

just some pictures ( not very good cuz they're from my phone but still )
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Re: Is this normal for a goldfish?
« Reply #11 on: July 18, 2010, 03:40:33 AM »

Ellirianna, you shouldn't worry that they are underfed, all our little buggers wanna munch all the time, and they beg all the time. Sure they did not munch on each other bar playing  Wink

Your little babies are very cute and adorable. Cheesy

Well, get your other tank up and running as soon as you can. They really are very small so for now they should be fine for a little while.
Also if you can get them a real plant they can munch on it. I may be wrong, but the one I see in your pics is a fake one?

But sth else interesting I learned 2 days ago when my hubby and me discovered a BEAUTIFUL aquatic pet shop: I looked around and seen this "Garlic Guard". I asked what this is for and the lady in there (very knowledgeable!) said that she soaks the food in it and gives the whole lot to the fishies. It strengthens their immune system. And geez - I bought it - our fishies they just hopped into it... I couldn't believe my eyes.

So maybe this will help your fishies too for their immune system. What do you think?
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Re: Is this normal for a goldfish?
« Reply #12 on: July 18, 2010, 04:56:45 AM »

Hanna: Koi love eating a slice of garlic from time to time, and rubbing new and unfamiliar food in with garlic will usually make the koi eat it without problems even if they didn't like it at first d:

Elliriyanna: As long as you've got good filtration, your fish could survive a couple of months there. But do try to get them into the 40 gallon asap Smiley
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Re: Is this normal for a goldfish?
« Reply #13 on: July 18, 2010, 09:07:01 AM »

well actually i cant get the fourty gallon running for a few years. Not until after college so the babies will have to be rehomed Sad
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Re: Is this normal for a goldfish?
« Reply #14 on: July 19, 2010, 04:10:20 AM »

That's a smaller issue... you can't keep the 40 gallon at your parents' place for a while? For the last 1-2 years in college? You could still have one goldfish with you in your dorm Smiley And you could keep two in the 40 gallon in the meantime ;>
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Re: Is this normal for a goldfish?
« Reply #15 on: July 19, 2010, 05:10:05 AM »

Hey Nossie, this is a very good idea.... I am just feeling so sorry for one guy to be soooooo alone, BUT I know... the tank size.... awww sweet little fish babies.... mabe , if possible, Ellirianna, keep both goldfish in the 40 gallon tank at your parents and a betta in your tank in the dorm?  Huh
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Re: Is this normal for a goldfish?
« Reply #16 on: July 19, 2010, 10:14:15 AM »

My parents have nothing to do with me. I havent seen my dad in months and i see my mom about every month since she kicked me out and she lives in a tiny apartment with my three sisters and hates animals. I really have no options Sad Trust me I'm doing all I can. My dad is great with fish but there is no way to get ahold of him and I think he disowned me like the rest of the family. I'm living with a friend now and they will let me store the forty here but not set it up.

I've thought of everything Sad

And yes I want to do a betta sorority in the ten gallon but I dont have the money for all the plants and the new heater and everything right now since goldfish are coldwater I went with them.

Could you help me with keeping them happy for a while in the ten gallon? This is my only option and I wanna see the little ones happy. I mean look at them how could you not love them? Smiley <3

rehoming is an option but so many people think of goldfish as feeders, I dont wanna risk that for my babies
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Re: Is this normal for a goldfish?
« Reply #17 on: July 19, 2010, 01:28:11 PM »

I'm so sorry to hear that Sad

But yes, there are ways to keep your fish in pretty good condition even though they're in a small space Smiley
First of all, you need to be keen on the water quality, and test it on a weekly basis. You also have to remember the weekly water changes! About 25-30 percent depending on the nitrates Smiley And second, you have a good filter, right? You should save a bucket of tank water (from the water change) and rinse the filter media there and make sure to remove all algae and debris. Make sure that you clean the bottom well too! There are "special" gravel cleaners, just a hose with a sort of plastic "sucking part" in one end, that you can use to clean debris in the gravel. It's very important that you get rid of all the dirt in the tank at least every 2-3 weeks so there won't be any excess nitrates laying around.

You should also feed very small amounts, and rather often during the day 2-3 times a day would be good Smiley Morning and evening if that fits your routines best! Make sure to give them some vegetables from time to time, as these are high in vitamins and fibers. Shelled peas are the easiest to get, prepare and feed, and they're usually not very messy since the fish eat them in one bite Smiley You can also give them lettuce or small pieces of cucumber and melon... more or less anything.

And if you'll get any problems, just ask and we'll help! Smiley
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Re: Is this normal for a goldfish?
« Reply #18 on: July 19, 2010, 02:04:13 PM »

thanks so much Smiley right now my water is cloudy ... but I think I need to replace the filter cartridge. Its a power filter for a 10-15 gallon. And I will get a hose for water changes. And a water test kit. with proper care how long can they live in the ten gallon? and with a dorm i cant get the sucky thing ... but I will look into it. I have a lot I have to pay for right now.


A test kit is around 20. Next time I get paid I will get them a water test kit. And a hose segment when I do water changes I could put it on the both so it sucks out the yucky stuff that way ... would it work?
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Re: Is this normal for a goldfish?
« Reply #19 on: July 19, 2010, 03:07:56 PM »

The water might be cloudy because your tank's cycling. So don't touch the filter cartridge! If you want, you could try to change 10% of the water or something. But if possible, try leaving it alone for a while and do only small changes until you've got the test kit to make sure that it's cycling well Smiley

If you already have a hose, that's enough! It should work fine if you'll just be moving the glass pebbles around with your finger while emptying the tank so you can get most of the debris in between at the same time Smiley That "sucky thing" won't really work on such big things anyway Smiley

I think your fish should survive for... at least a year in that smaller tank if you'll be extra careful with the water! For how long are you intending to keep them there? How much's left of your college?
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Re: Is this normal for a goldfish?
« Reply #20 on: July 19, 2010, 03:26:37 PM »

Honestly I havent even started college. I am keeping them there til they reach a good size for a pond then rehoming them to a home that will love them as much as i do
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Re: Is this normal for a goldfish?
« Reply #21 on: July 19, 2010, 04:00:44 PM »

Sorry to hear that, Ellirianna, this is so sad Sad

Nossie already mentioned the important things for now, so as I said a few times before I keep fingers crossed all goes well  Cry
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Re: Is this normal for a goldfish?
« Reply #22 on: July 19, 2010, 05:35:58 PM »

I think I may give up the aquarium for a while. Or sell it and pick it when I get more money. I was thinking about starting a betta sorority but I just dont know if I have the money.

It'll be weird though since i've never not had something to care for.
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Re: Is this normal for a goldfish?
« Reply #23 on: July 20, 2010, 05:25:04 AM »

How come you decided that? Sad
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Re: Is this normal for a goldfish?
« Reply #24 on: July 20, 2010, 11:11:42 AM »

I hardly have any money. I cant properly plant it for a betta Sorority I mean I could put a single male in there and let him have a HUGE tank ( to a betta anyway) and throw in some neons. But the people who sold it to me forgot to mention the heater is broken. My tank got up to 90 one day my poor fish Sad so i decided to turn it off. Plus my last bettas killed each other cuz i trusted the pet store and they told me a female could go in with my male. they were so wrong Sad

But maybe a decently planted tank with a betta a couple tetras and some dwarf cories. not as high maintenance and I wont need anything special if I remember correctly
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Re: Is this normal for a goldfish?
« Reply #25 on: July 20, 2010, 01:20:57 PM »

A heater at most, but a heater for a small tank use to be really cheap Smiley And you still need to test the water for these fish as well, but it will be much easier to keep the water quality good with less and smaller fish Smiley
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Re: Is this normal for a goldfish?
« Reply #26 on: July 20, 2010, 01:51:03 PM »

YAY!!! my local walmart has a kit for under 20 that is apparently very good. And a heater for a tank that size is about 25 Sad I just dont have the money Sad

I mean I'm gonna save up and get them everything they need. its just like one thing after another in my life right now Sad
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Re: Is this normal for a goldfish?
« Reply #27 on: July 20, 2010, 04:35:08 PM »

What happens with your guppies?
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Re: Is this normal for a goldfish?
« Reply #28 on: July 20, 2010, 05:37:38 PM »

I still have  a bowl ... or i can keep them in the tank with a few friends to keep it cycled until I get my betta. I really just need a heater then I can get my fish  Smiley

well that and this college stuff
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Re: Is this normal for a goldfish?
« Reply #29 on: July 20, 2010, 06:59:51 PM »

You can keep your two goldfish in the ten gallon tank IF you do water changes at least once maybe twice a week.
You will have to really watch the the water chemistry and make sure the water quality stays in safe zones.
ammonia and nitrite should always read ZERO and nitrates should never go over 40 ppm. Smiley
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