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Re: Lucky's Adventures
« Reply #30 on: January 10, 2012, 05:44:46 AM »

Nossie, I did calculate the volume, with the measurements my parents gave me, it did work out at 125 litres.
When it came here, I double checked, the measurements were the same as what my parents had told me. Therefore it would work out the same as the volume I had calculated before.

I have filled, as I said, the tank with 90 litres. Yes it is, probably slightly more than this, with the gap at the top and the gravel/driftwood in place, but how is it not accurate? I know how much water is in there, which is pretty important for dosages etc, and I already know roughly the full volume of the tank from what I worked out before.

In fact I just re-measured everything and this time used the back of the tank to measure, instead of the front and it came out to around 110 litres. So it is still roughly a similar size to what I originally thought in the first place.

Please remember I am still learning here, this is the first time I've ever set up a large tank before.

All I was asking about was about the filter size and tank volume, I am sorry for being a little unsure at times, but like I said, I am still learning, there was no need to even mention my parents and to then make assumptions about their knowledge. That's pretty un fair.
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Re: Lucky's Adventures
« Reply #31 on: January 10, 2012, 04:25:51 PM »

It wouldn't be very accurate counting the volume while the ornaments are in as they're taking up space, as does the gravel. You know, if you fill up a bathtub and jump in it, the water level will raise. As well as the fact that you won't ever be filling a tank up completely to the very edge, which is also from where you measure, clearly you'll fit less water in there in practice compared to the theoretical measurements.

Of course I understand that you're still learning, which is why I explained these things in the first place, you know, people can learn from others Tongue

And don't take the "mentioning of your parents" personally, it was an example, and an assumption, I didn't even know that you had measured the tank at all. I based it on the fact that my parents for instance don't know that much about fish even if there's a tank at home, I don't look down on either of them at all. I have a great respect for people in general, especially those I don't know.
So, calm down a bit, won't you? Wink
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Re: Lucky's Adventures
« Reply #32 on: January 10, 2012, 06:25:00 PM »

Well nothing to worry about Smiley

It is probably a 100 litres then or so, when you consider the displacement.
I've been advised to try and fix the 'tilt' as it were, as apparently pressure in one direction may cause a crack or leak. Best avoided really, so I'm going to try and sort it out. Not entirely sure how though, I guess I need to slightly raise the left hand side, where it's around 1mm from the lid, as on the right hand side of the tank is 5mm. Hmmm, I'll try and get a spirit level tomorrow and see if I can figure it out..... Then I guess I'll have to find some shims or something.... man oh man, every time I get something done, something else comes up >.>
Looks like Lucky will have to wait a little longer, so I can get everything sorted out.

I managed to get some stress coat water conditioner yesterday at the LFS, it's by the same company as stress zyme so should be fine. It also has aloe vera in it and can be used at a higher dosage to help heal fish that may be sick/recovering that kind of thing. So I guess it's like a water conditioner and melafix in one!
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Re: Lucky's Adventures
« Reply #33 on: January 11, 2012, 03:14:16 AM »

The "stand" I used for mine was slightly tilting forward, so I put a few layers of some hard kind of foam under the front of the legs until it was level. Just to make sure, in case the top was uneven, I put another two layers and a tablecloth under the tank itself.

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So I guess it's like a water conditioner and melafix in one!

But better Wink As far as I know, the products are meant to work together so that you add both during a water change.
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Re: Lucky's Adventures
« Reply #34 on: January 11, 2012, 04:24:27 AM »

Yeah that's what I thought! Smiley
Do you reckon it'd be okay to use on the snails tank too? I intend to sort their tank out once Lucky's moved.

Layers of hard foam? Interesting.... I intend to get a spirit level today and see where the angle is, the stand is on wheels, I can't really put anything 'under' the stand. My house mate pointed out, it could quite possibly be the floor. So it may be a case of swapping the sofa around with the tank or something, if that area is more level - so wheels are handy in this situation as I won't have to empty it, just give it a little budge Cheesy
All depends where the un-even is coming from.....
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Re: Lucky's Adventures
« Reply #35 on: January 11, 2012, 04:40:15 AM »

If the floor is uneven do as Nossie says and put some styrine foam or similar under the tank itself, my brother had a 6 footer on a stand on a wooden floor supported by the old pile type house footings (not a concrete slab like nowadays), Anyway the floor twisted slightly with the soil movement from summer to winter, one day he came home to find the tank had  cracked right down the middle, adding the foam between the tank and stand stopped it happening again after the tank was fixed. Cheers all.

Ps: thanks fantailer for answering my Question on the 3 Kings Day, sounds like a good excuse to get more presents, or eat the grass, lol. cheers
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Re: Lucky's Adventures
« Reply #36 on: January 11, 2012, 10:39:05 AM »

Thanks Ron and Nossie. Yes... the floor is the culprit... the entire floor is un-even  Lips sealed In fact oddly enough the tank is in the most even part of the floor, so I'm lucky there. The bubble in between the markers, is literally off by a fraction, so the edge touches the left hand line. So it looks like this - IO  I

I spoke to a man in the shop, when I was buying the spirit level and he suggested putting something under the wheels of the stand.
They didn't have any shims and the man wasn't sure where I could get some either.

So I think sticking something under the wheels or tank is going to be more achievable. I was thinking maybe getting some thick card -after the delivery I have lots of the stuff- and maybe rolling the wheels on to some? But how long is thick corrugated card going to last?

Where would I get tough enough styrene foam from? Like a stationery shop in the post office section?

Either way, looks like I'm going to have fun emptying the tank XD
Oh well, a good chance to see how my gravel cleaner get's on with the slightly bigger gravel....

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So just finished emptying the tank and someone on another forum points out 'it might be okay like that' XD
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So I don't really know what to do. The stand is on wheels, so I can't put any Styrofoam under them? Unless I followed the man's advice in the store and put plastic dishes under the wheels and then place Styrofoam or something like that underneath? I imagine if I take the tank off, get the stand even, pop the tank back on top, check it's even. Should be good to go?

I'm not sure if Styrofoam between the tank and stand will do much good, when it's the floor that's the problem, not the tank or stand? As long as the tank is 100% on top of the stand, should be okay there?

Or alternatively I could just leave it. There was after all only 4mm difference, 1mm on the left hand side and 5 mm on the right hand side.....
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Re: Lucky's Adventures
« Reply #37 on: January 11, 2012, 01:43:29 PM »

I just took one of these old sheets of foam to sleep on in sleepingbags, if you know what I mean, they're usually rolled up and can be found in the sports and hunting section of most shops Smiley

Your tank is still so small, I bet it'll be fine the way it is if you can't find anything to put under it Smiley
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Re: Lucky's Adventures
« Reply #38 on: January 11, 2012, 03:15:27 PM »

Oh you mean a ground mat? I'll keep that in mind for the future  Smiley

Yeah ironically, just after I'd emptied it, someone showed me that article, so I reckon I could have left it filled after all >.< 4mm is such a small difference. I doubt I'd be able to get it exactly flat without throwing it off even more.

Oh well, I did say I wanted to do the entire tank in one day XD So now I get to!
Although the carbon that came with the filter is baffling me, the instructions say to wash the filter media, until it runs clear? This seems nigh impossible with carbon!
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Re: Lucky's Adventures
« Reply #39 on: January 11, 2012, 04:22:13 PM »

Someone said a good idea might be to take the wheels off the stand so I can level it out properly, so might give that a go! If they are removable. I can always keep the wheels and screws and attach them again later if we move to somewhere that has a flat floor!

I also don't understand this in the slightest.....

So the spirit level I got today, it has a ruler on top of it right? So you'd assume you look at it, with the numbers the right way around, right?

However when I turn it around so the numbers go backwards, the bubble on the spirit level goes completely different. I really do not understand why it does this? I thought it would be the same no matter what way I looked at it?

Added pictures, so you can see what I mean.
First pic, is numbers facing me, you can see the bubble is just off centre.
Second pic, numbers facing away from me and the bubble goes completely off centre, over to the far right  Huh

I must seem really d*mb I know but I am tired, if only my OH was here, he would explain this strangeness to me  Grin
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Re: Lucky's Adventures
« Reply #40 on: January 12, 2012, 04:38:31 AM »

Probably! I just didn't know the name in English c:

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Although the carbon that came with the filter is baffling me, the instructions say to wash the filter media, until it runs clear? This seems nigh impossible with carbon!

Not at all, my carbon pad stops smearing stuff already from the start actually, I just rinse it in case. So go right ahead and rinse as well as you can!

Now that you mention it, it sounds really weird to have wheels on an aquarium stand. I mean, a tank is heavy, regardless of size! I would never put wheels on a stand if I was a manufacturer and knew more about it xD Go right ahead and remove them.
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Re: Lucky's Adventures
« Reply #41 on: January 12, 2012, 04:52:12 AM »

I'm not sure when wheels got added to the aquarium, they've always been there from what I remember.

But if there is a slight un-even tilt going on, you have a point, it may be much safer to take them off, so there is maximum contact between the stand and floor.

I e-mailed Wetwebmedia and they were the ones who suggested if the wheels were removable to take them off and add shims this way. I've e-mailed them about how necessary it is to level it out.
It is such a small difference, I could take the wheels off and leave it at that. I worry that shims would create gaps where the stand wouldn't be touching the floor. Speaking of which this handy video actually explains things rather well...... hmmmmm.... so it's not that difficult to do as I'd only be dealing with left side of the tank, so pop two shims into the corner, to level it, with the point of the triangle facing towards the middle of the tank... so the front and back should be un affected in terms of contact with the floor.... then just stick a few more shims in the left side... it's just a case of finding shims that's my problem!

Plus I would rather fix it now, as I've already emptied it, than fill it again and risk the tank cracking, I really can't afford to let something like that happen! I'd rather wait another week or two and get everything sorted out properly, better to be safe than sorry  Smiley

Not to mention every time I've rushed to do something, I've paid the price XD Rushed to order my filter and now APS have a discount available! Rushed to fill the tank and I discovered it was wonky! Haha well at least I know what NOT to do, the next time I have to set up a tank again  Roll Eyes

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Re: Lucky's Adventures
« Reply #42 on: January 12, 2012, 02:20:07 PM »

Nevermind the shims, I think that would just be more trouble than it's worth :/
Just remove the wheels and it'll be fine Wink

...funny how things tend to screw up when one's in a hurry.. I almost cracked my 300L in half when I forgot to attach the supporting aluminum piece to the center before filling it @_@ Luckily we managed to screw it in place even with the tank full... but man, the panic when something that huge is about to burst over the floor! D:
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« Reply #43 on: January 12, 2012, 03:47:13 PM »

Hmmm I might just leave things as they are. My Dad thinks it will be okay..... and so do you guys and a few other people I've asked... maybe I'm just over thinking again?

I could set it all up on Saturday and move Lucky on the Monday or Tuesday. I am getting concerned about her.
I went to put something away in one of the drawers, I must have startled her because she swam head first into the tank side again  Embarrassed
Even worse I also think she might have stopped growing. You guys remember how I said she grew an inch in the first 3 months or so? Well it's almost 5 months now, she grew to around 3 inches, but hasn't really grown anything more since her little growth spurt.

I might leave the wheels on, I *again* worry taking them off will make the angle worse. Plus the tank has had these wheels on for years, so I know it is capable of holding the weight.
My Dad said if I did want to change it, he could possibly get the right sized wedges for me and post them up.

But maybe I should just stop faffing around and get on with things? I do apologize, I must sound like a complete nut, going on and on all the time. I don't mean to be XD
I could have left the tank filled the other day and just got on with things, but I panicked when I heard people mention the tank would crack or blow out XD Which of course is more likely to happen in larger tanks, than my little 110 litre/29 gallon and I imagine won't happen with a 4mm difference XD

Gosh, almost cracking a 300L does sound a little scary! I guess us fish keepers get so excited and carried away we forget to double check things sometimes!
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Re: Lucky's Adventures
« Reply #44 on: January 13, 2012, 02:08:29 AM »

She probably did stop growing. I think she's pretty stunted by now :/ I had the fantails in too small tank (40 liters) for about 8 months. They started growing by now after a year in the 300L, but needless to say, Samurai that I bought as a baby just a few months ago is already their size!
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Re: Lucky's Adventures
« Reply #45 on: January 13, 2012, 05:20:42 AM »

Yeah I thought the same too Nossie  Embarrassed I'm still not 100% sure on how old she was when I first got her, but she must be 10 months old or similar by now. She was definitely around 2 inches when I first had her, so I would assume she was 6 months or something like that?
Thing is I have no idea on the conditions she was kept in before and how much that affected her as well.

I'll set up the tank tomorrow, double check the difference is no more than 4 mm and then I'll go ahead and move her on Monday.
I've been doing some digging around about the difference in tank water level and it's usually recommended that if it's under 1/8 inch it should be fine. I would have been moving her this weekend, so it's only an extra few days than I originally intended Smiley

Then only time will tell..... I'll put up some pic's once I get her in there  Cheesy Was thinking it might be nice to record the moment I let her out of the bag as I intend to let her rest in a little bag to acclimatise.

People have told me different methods of using buckets, or half old tank water, half new, but I feel most comfortable with the bag method! It's what you would do with a fish from a shop anyway and their tank water must generally be pretty different!

Haha well, I get to have my day of setting up the tank all in one go after all!
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Re: Lucky's Adventures
« Reply #46 on: January 13, 2012, 05:58:31 AM »

Like I mentioned earlier, a bag is a waste of time, unless there's a big temperature difference, which is impossible since it's in the same room, and you'll let the tank stand for a few days.

I used some old tank water when I set up my new tank, mostly for cycling purposes, so I put it in the first time I filled the tank.
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Re: Lucky's Adventures
« Reply #47 on: January 13, 2012, 06:21:34 AM »

Hmm I could keep the old tank water from her water change tomorrow then? And use that to fill part of it? Good idea!

I'll also be sticking the gravel in some old tights and running the internal filter alongside the external for a while.
Just need to pick up an extension cable so I can plug everything in and then I can set it all up Cheesy
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Re: Lucky's Adventures
« Reply #48 on: January 15, 2012, 02:26:25 PM »

Finally some real progress!!

The tank is level thanks to some sketchbooks, the backs of which are pretty tough, so along with a cutting mat, they are keeping things steady. The tank is also filled *phew*. Had to rush out earlier to grab an extension cable, found a handy one, that has separate on/off switches for each plug, also picked up two extra buckets.

I have roughly set up the air pump, but when I took the air stone out of Lucky's tank and put it in the big one, fiddled about with the air pipe, I turned around and she was bottom sitting. She would only move and swim on the spot when I spoke to her, but wouldn't budge from under the filter, not even when I stuck in my hand in the tank to say hi.
I put the air stone back in and she started to just swim in the corner, but I wasn't sure what was going on.
Water test, showed up a little ammonia, 0.25ppm (no idea where that could have come from? everything seemed perfectly fine this morning) so I went ahead with her normal weekly water change, which I would have done anyway.  She is all better now *thank goodness* and was healthy/active enough to get in my way a bunch of times when I was cleaning the gravel but didn't half give me a fright there!
Agh! And I just realised I completely forgot to use her old tank water to fill the new tank with  Sad I was so distracted with making sure she was okay XD

The filter is mostly set up, I'm going to finish it tomorrow morning. Although I accidentally broke of a little of the tanks glass rim (there's a glass rim above the glass lid) when fitting the pipes for the filter as it was a bit of squeeze for the in flow pipe *oops* it doesn't affect how the lid sits, but the pipe work for the filter does. So I'll probably leave the lid off.
Can I fix the bit of glass later with some aquarium sealent?

The small air stone my dad had spare is in the large tank, but being very temperamental. I had it going earlier, but then I when I was altering the air flow on the valve it just stopped? I have no idea why, I'll see if it starts going by itself during the night.

So apart from that, I'm very nearly there.
Tomorrow I'll borrow some tights from my house mate and prepare the gravel in Lucky's tank. Finish the filter and get that going.
Then hopefully Tuesday or Wednesday I can move everything and finally be finished!

Then I can move on and do the snails tank! Which will be easy as pie, compared to this lol!
Time for some ocarina fun I think after all this! XD
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Re: Lucky's Adventures
« Reply #49 on: January 15, 2012, 03:00:17 PM »

Okay wow I am late again. Your welcome Ron H. I cant forgot the herbage!
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Re: Lucky's Adventures
« Reply #50 on: January 16, 2012, 12:55:42 AM »

Great idea Nossie using the old tankwater to kickstart the cycling process, and an exercise mat/camping mat would be just as good if not better than using styrine under the tank. And Skwishee I hope the tank goes well for you but watch out leaving the lid off, sometimes fish jump out for whatever reason, would hate to hear it happened again to someone. Oo and nearly forgot, you should be able to fix the broken bit of glass with the aquarium sealant, hold it in place with some masking tape or similar for 24 hours then remove the tape and it should be all good. If the sealant spills out a bit, scrape it off later with a sharp razor blade. Cheers > Ron
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Re: Lucky's Adventures
« Reply #51 on: January 16, 2012, 04:28:51 AM »

Thanks Ron!

The tank itself has a glass lid, with sliders, that was originally there when my Dad kept tarantulas. So Lucky won't be able to jump out if I leave the wooden lid off Smiley
The hard cardboard and cutting mat I used to level it seem to be doing the trick, so no worries there.
Cheers for the info on the aquarium sealent, I'm hoping to fix the bit of glass later on this week.

I'll probably add a little bit of her old tank water, when I go to move her as I said, I completely forgot to do this yesterday!
Not long now!!
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Re: Lucky's Adventures
« Reply #52 on: January 16, 2012, 11:30:50 AM »

Ron: CAMPING MAT!! That's what I meant!! Grin

Skwishee: Like Ron says, it'd be easy to fix Smiley But I wonder, do you need to? It doesn't sound like any significant piece came off.. Smiley
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« Reply #53 on: January 16, 2012, 03:11:48 PM »

Oh camping mats XD I've always called them ground mats for some reason!

I was thinking the same about the glass bit, I'm not having the lid on and it'll probably only get in the way of the pipe work again!
I also realised, I don't think I can fit the internal filter! I doubt the plug or the internal head will fit in the corner gap Roll Eyes
Plus with the outlet spray bar and everything, there isn't really any place for it go lol.

I think I'm just going to chuck the filter media from it into the external filter when I move Lucky, maybe squish it in between the ceramic rings on the top tray or something.
Then I can stick the filter back into the little tank with some fresh media ready for the snails  Smiley
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Re: Lucky's Adventures
« Reply #54 on: January 16, 2012, 06:33:00 PM »

Well we have lift off people!!!!

The filter is on and running.
Although the priming button did nothing, I had to suck on one of the pipes to get it going.
Ended up with a mouth full of water, delicious.
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« Reply #55 on: January 17, 2012, 02:25:47 AM »

Maybe it just needs some getting used to Smiley I've figured out just how to avoid getting my mouth full of tank water while setting up the Eheim!
...you just have to watch the water! xD And keep the hose in an almost vertical position, and suck just a little, little bit at a time and wait while the filter fills up... Smiley Then I turn it on and I sort of bend the filter a bit back and forth so that the last little air bubbles can get out Smiley
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« Reply #56 on: January 17, 2012, 04:58:13 AM »

Yeah I found wobbling the canister got the air bubbles out too, as it was occasionally making odd noises, but all sorted now.
I'm so excited!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I will be more careful with sucking water in the future, see I was trying short bursts but it wasn't helping, after one long breath it made such a huge difference, I was like 'Oh if I do this again then it'll be..... agh water!!!!'
Lol luckily when I spat it out, I just missed the extension lead XD

Well now it's just a temperature waiting game, the tank has been filled since Sunday and filter's been going now since Monday night. So when is the best time to move her across? The temperature in the large tank is currently just below 16 degrees celsius/60 degrees farenheit.

Lucky's tank temperature is *moves the thermometer over*.... slightly above 16 degrees celsius/60 degrees farenheit.

So it should be okay to move her tomorrow or Thursday really?

I'm hoping to pick up some plants on the weekend too, I found out that you can give plants a 10-15 minute salt bath, in a strong solution, which should kill most things. I mean we treat a lot of illnesses with salt, so long as I thoroughly wash it under the tap after and maybe let it sit in de-chlorinated water for a little while, just to be extra sure. Should be okay Smiley
I intend to get some tall plants this weekend and ask in the LFS down the road when they'll be getting java fern/anubais in.
I think I'll quarantine their plants longer because their plants are in tanks with other fish.
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Re: Lucky's Adventures
« Reply #57 on: January 17, 2012, 05:45:08 AM »

Yeah I'm quarintining a plant right now.
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Re: Lucky's Adventures
« Reply #58 on: January 17, 2012, 06:07:17 AM »

I think you could move her, yes Smiley Did the heater work? Or maybe you didn't get one with the tank? Just thinking it may be more suitable both for Lucky and the plants if the tank was a few degrees warmer Smiley

Be careful with which plants you buy to quarantine with salt! I rather avoid salting the water while the plants are in, it sort of bothers them. I lost all my bigger Anubias last time I had to treat the tank :/ The java ferns should work alright in salt though...
I quarantined other plants by simply keeping them in an empty quarantine tank or in a bucket. Occasionally changing the water, not adding conditioner Smiley
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Re: Lucky's Adventures
« Reply #59 on: January 17, 2012, 06:31:39 AM »

I haven't tried the heaters my Dads tank came with yet. Will possibly investigate that later. I'm not sure if they work, but can give it a go.

The tank is only a degree or so lower than Lucky's tank at the moment. I think it's only because it's been a little colder these past few days. I mean if Lucky was in a pond right now, it'd much colder than what it is in here.

So with the plants, a week or so in a spare bucket? Would it need an air stone or anything like that?
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