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Nossie
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Re: Lucky's Adventures
« Reply #60 on: January 17, 2012, 12:37:16 PM »

I didn't ever put an airstone with my plants, just pouring out some old water and adding some new would be fine Smiley
Since you won't really get any sensitive plants to keep with Lucky, it should be an okay method Smiley

I always had bad luck with heaters... :/ The one I got with the 20 gallon was broken as well... :/
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Re: Lucky's Adventures
« Reply #61 on: January 17, 2012, 03:22:18 PM »

Really?

Hmmmm, I'm not sure a heater is worth it at the moment, the bigger tank is actually only a degree or so colder than her tank at the moment. So it's not much of a difference. Plus it will be hit or miss with whether my Dad's actually works or not XD

I think I'll try a salt bath for the plants, at least I know any snail eggs will be gotten rid of, but I'll make sure it's very brief, like 5 or 10 minutes, then a good 4 or 5 day soak in tank water. I intend to check the plants for live snails and if I find any, they will be chucked into my snail tub Smiley Maybe this time I'll find some Ramshorns? That would be nice to have a little variety  Grin
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Re: Lucky's Adventures
« Reply #62 on: January 18, 2012, 04:30:05 AM »

It might warm up once the light is on for longer periods maybe? Smiley

Hope the snails wouldn't decide to breed between species... xD
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Re: Lucky's Adventures
« Reply #63 on: January 18, 2012, 05:10:04 AM »

Yeah that would be a madhouse.
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Re: Lucky's Adventures
« Reply #64 on: January 18, 2012, 06:36:32 PM »

Well the tank currently has no light...... since I won't be having the lid on, because of the external pipe, the lid is at an angle towards the back and well... that just bugs the heck out of me. I kinda prefer it off. I'm thinking maybe just a clip on lamp?
Or is a light really necessary? Unless it happens to be a dark day, this room gets quite a lot of light during the day. I think I can get away without it for now, she hasn't had any man-made light on in the little tank -apart from the bedroom light being on in the evenings- both her and the plant have been doing fine.

I think with the temperature it doesn't help that the weathers been a little chillier lately, so it does get a little cold in here. But Lucky's fine so far, I will be keeping an eye on her in the tank so if things do get below 10 degrees Celsius, I will take action! But I doubt it'll get that bad. The lowest I've ever seen her tank so far is around 14/15 degrees Celsius, plus the larger tank will retain heat a lot better than the little one!  Smiley

I'm going to check temperature and PH tomorrow, between the tanks and hopefully should be good to go on the tank move!!

Haha a ramshorn and a bladder snail combined? That would be interesting! Well let's hope with the plants I get at the weekend, I shall win the snail lottery and have some new types to introduce. I wonder if it's possible for snails to inter breed too much?
Also, found another empty shell when cleaning the snails today Sad R.I.P Mr Snail.
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Re: Lucky's Adventures
« Reply #65 on: January 19, 2012, 03:41:18 AM »

The fish needs light, their skin and color will be healthier and more vibrant with a good light Smiley Did you think about maybe cutting the corners of the lid to make it fit better?
If you have a light, Lucky will also have a healthier day/night cycle and get better rest etc... Smiley

It's a bit colder here too, but the temperatures in my tanks only dropped 1 degree each! I'm quite happy for that Cheesy

Interbreeding never is good, that's why you shouldn't keep platies and swordtails together, they readily interbreed giving the offspring all kinds of problems. I have no idea if that's true for snails... Tongue
Sorry that you lost another one Sad
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Re: Lucky's Adventures
« Reply #66 on: January 19, 2012, 05:39:15 AM »

She's been doing fine with natural light so far.... But the external pipe lifts up slightly at the back because the intake is literally almost on the floor of the tank, it can't go any lower, and cutting the corner of the lid would make no difference when it's the height causing the issue.

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A clamp on lamp. I could easily fit one or two to the back of the tank without a problem as long as I check the size of the clip and space on the tank above the glass lid.

Yeah I imagine your tank is so big, temperature fluctuations must be a rare thing!
Will have to investigate about snails interbreeding.... Thanks Noss, I am keeping their empty shells in a little box. They are so pretty, I don't really want to throw them away!
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Re: Lucky's Adventures
« Reply #67 on: January 19, 2012, 08:40:00 AM »

Wonderful news. PH and temperature were the same, so I have now successfully moved my baby fishy to her new home. I turned the spray bar to face the back of the tank as when I first put her in there, she would swim so far forward and then drift backwards XD She seems much better with it this way  Smiley

I also quite like the gravel in the tights, it's like having nice big rocks! I am very tempted to leave them in there as decor haha XD
The internal filter is in there as well, I tucked it in next to the spray bar. I've added some stress zyme to help the bacteria out and intend to test the water tomorrow morning and see where it's at, keep an eye on it for this week  Smiley

I can't get over how TINY she is, in the larger tank. I knew she was small, but this really puts things into perspective.
She seems to have settled fine and is currently exploring the tank and gravel. It is so incredible to see her swim super fast without knocking into the glass of a tank. Interestingly enough she hasn't lost of her habit of staring out one side of the tank and swimming up and down, checking everything out, so she is still as inquisitive as ever.

She didn't appreciate being handled that much and fidgeted in my hand like crazy!

But can I just say again, thank you so much everyone, I know I'm a pain with my constant questions and un-certainty!
But from myself and Lucky, thank you so much.

Here is a video, I apologise for the terrible quality, it was done on my phone!
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 Grin She is like a speck in this new tank....
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Re: Lucky's Adventures
« Reply #68 on: January 19, 2012, 11:08:29 AM »

Aw I bet she is so happy.
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Re: Lucky's Adventures
« Reply #69 on: January 19, 2012, 11:57:58 AM »

That lamp seems to be a good solution! I love LED lights, and this one doesn't seem to pricey either Smiley It's really good too that you can dim the light, I loved my LED for that reason, it just seems more natural with the light gradually switching off instead of a complete blackout within seconds.

I'd keep the shells too, when I was little I loved collecting the really huge (about one centimeter thick) shells by the water where grandma lives, it was very muddy and the water was pretty low, so the snails were everywhere! I was very careful always to take only the empty shells Smiley But they were pretty fragile so they broke even before I got them home :C

Had to smile when I read about the gravel in tights! Grin They do look funky there like that! Wink And big rocks are hard to find and from my experience, pretty expensive @_@

Lucky is so cute in the tank! I felt just the same when I let my goldfish into this one Wink Just the little baby fantails and moors at first Cheesy Later I got the orandas in, that were slightly bigger, but it's still a bit hard to notice how they grow unless I measure... c: I bet she's so happy that she can stretch her fins now! And the tank is still very beautiful with the wood details and stand Smiley Hope everything goes well with the cycling too! Cheesy
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« Reply #70 on: January 19, 2012, 03:25:37 PM »

Ah I collect shells too, I have some gorgeous ones I got on holiday 2 years ago. When I was younger and on holiday in the Channel Islands, I once picked up a massive rock, which my Mum told me to put back, I stuck it in my bag, because it was a piece of Jersey for my Dad XD My mum said the customs people were laughing at my bag as it went through x-ray scanner and she didn't realise why until we got home and I still had this massive rock  Grin

I'm very tempted to put some of the shells from the beach in the snails tank! The flat ones anyway, I worry with the curved ones they'd lay a ton of eggs in there, that I couldn't see. Would it be okay to use them?
I doubt anything's still living on it when they were in my room in Devon on a bookshelf for 2 years.

I think I'll leave the gravel in the tights, I kinda want to do something with it.... but I'm not sure what yet. It would be cool to have plants growing out of it, or some moss or something....

Well cycling will be revealed tomorrow. My theory is that because I'm using the same filter and have included the same gravel, it shouldn't really need to cycle, because all the bacteria that were there before are still there.
Everything was 0ppm before I put her in. So will see tomorrow.

I have also noticed when I look through the side of the tank it is a little cloudy, it was like that this morning before I put everything in, debating on whether to just stick the UV on for a while? Would that clear it?
I'm not too bothered, I don't really look through the side of the tank anyway XD

Well hopefully plants at the weekend and then sorting out a light!
Might try and pick up an extra air stone and some silk plants for the snails..... I figure they can make do with an air stone instead of a filter for the time being. I quite like watching them crawl along the surface upside down, so don't want too much surface movement to stop them from doing that.

Oh also, maybe something you guys could help me with, the bar airstone I had in the old tank, is in this one.
But I have also hooked up my Dad's spare air stone, so there are two.

For some reason before, my Dad's wasn't working but the bar air stone was. Now it's the other way around.
My dad's air stone on the left hand side of the tank is working lovely, but my bar airstone is giving off hardly any bubbles at all  Undecided The air pump I have claims it can take up to 4 ornaments, so maybe I just need to play with the pressure a little bit more? I'm not sure... the last time I played around with it one would stop and then other would start, finding it hard to get a balance.
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Re: Lucky's Adventures
« Reply #71 on: January 20, 2012, 03:52:26 AM »

I think you could easily put the shells in, and even if the snails would lay eggs in them, what's the problem? I don't think snails have any particular shell-brooding behavior anyway (some cichlids do) so that should be fine.

Maybe you could try growing some anubias or java fern on the gravel balls? Smiley Otherwise I'd just spread it out on the bottom, just like gravel.

The cycling will probably take a few days, it did for me using the same technique Smiley And nevermind the UV sterilizer for now, if it's cloudy it's usually a sign that the bacteria are spreading and finding places to live. I'd use the sterilizer when I'd introduce new plants or fish, even after quarantine.

Nevermind the airstones, they really don't matter. I had the same problem when I tried to hook up two air stones, so in the end I decided to keep just the longer, prettier one Smiley I use to cover it with gravel, the bubbles look bigger and nicer then, and I do have it purely for ornamental reasons.
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Re: Lucky's Adventures
« Reply #72 on: January 20, 2012, 05:02:17 PM »

Hmmm how could the tank have started cycling before I put anything in there though? It isn't cloudy like it was when the bacteria bloomed in the little tank.

You know it's funny you should say that Nossie, I was thinking about buying some cheap tights, splitting the gravel up smaller and having plants on the little balls. It'd make it easier to move them out the way for cleaning too.

Hmm interesting you had the same issue with the air pump. I might fiddle around with it some more, I like having both in there and was hoping to hook up a third for the snails tank, so will have a bit of a play. I think it's how I have them connected or the size of the air stones themselves. Will have a play tomorrow. Lucky seems to be doing fine though, it is nice to sit back and watch her swim.... swim some more.... swim even more and then turn around and go back the other way Smiley

I intend to check the water tomorrow morning, I was a little busier today than expected, but at least with it being a Saturday I can carry out any water changes as needed.
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Re: Lucky's Adventures
« Reply #73 on: January 21, 2012, 07:37:09 AM »

Water test today has revealed, Ammonia - 0.25ppm and Nitrites -0ppm.
Looks like I'll need to do a water change!

See this is weird for me now, usually I would change 80% of the little tank, but that was only 21 litres!
I think I'm going to try and change around 30% on the larger tank, so change around 20 - 30 litres or so, out of the 90 litres in total Smiley

I'm surprised ammonia's shown up, when I've transferred all the bacteria from the old tank?
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Re: Lucky's Adventures
« Reply #74 on: January 21, 2012, 10:57:45 AM »

Tanks can cycle without anything in itas mine did.
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Re: Lucky's Adventures
« Reply #75 on: January 21, 2012, 02:20:09 PM »

Ah really? Intriguing, I have noticed the cloudiness is less now, I didn't realise it was the bacteria... the cloud in the smaller tank was slightly different and far more noticeable! Have had water sitting for most of the day now, so will get on to the water change tonight  Smiley

Then I'll test it again tomorrow and do another change if needs be.
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Re: Lucky's Adventures
« Reply #76 on: January 21, 2012, 04:21:06 PM »

Yes cycling can be strange.
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Re: Lucky's Adventures
« Reply #77 on: January 21, 2012, 04:28:10 PM »

Well my water change was some what smaller than I intended, I am not used to a large tank at all!
So I think a mammoth water change is in order tomorrow!  Smiley
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Re: Lucky's Adventures
« Reply #78 on: January 21, 2012, 04:33:31 PM »

I'm pretty sure there has to be some kind of waste for the tank to cycle...although having established media and gravel it can go quickly or almost instantly. After all if you leave a gallon of water on the counter it is not going to cycle.
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Re: Lucky's Adventures
« Reply #79 on: January 21, 2012, 04:39:54 PM »

Yeah it confused me too Cheri! It was cloudy before I put in the old filter/gravel/plant/Lucky.

All that the tank had was the new gravel, new driftwood and filter set up. Although since adding in everything, the cloudiness is starting to go now. 50% water change tomorrow morning after my failed water change tonight XD Then I'll see what everything's doing come Monday.... Lucky is fine, she loves swimming around and nibbling on everything in the tank, I wonder how the driftwood tastes Cheesy

My theory was that all the old bacteria are still there, so there shouldn't be any need for it to cycle. But hopefully it won't be too long.
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Re: Lucky's Adventures
« Reply #80 on: January 22, 2012, 04:53:51 AM »

Of course there's waste, if you have live plants for instance, or if you add gravel or water from the old system Smiley

My tank had some ammonia showing, never over .5 though, just small hints of it during the first few days, a tiny bit of nitrite (I'm talking another .5) and suddenly there was 5 nitrates after only 10 days Grin Everything will show, but if you use beneficial bacteria and filter media/gravel from an old system, you'll speed it up significantly Smiley
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Re: Lucky's Adventures
« Reply #81 on: January 22, 2012, 06:29:13 AM »

Yeah, the ammonia was even less this morning, the colour was slightly paler than 0.25ppm but not light enough to be 0ppm. Nitrite and Nitrate are still at 0ppm.
So I'm going to do a 50% water change, only this time buckets will only have an hour to sit. I don't have enough to get the entire 45 litres ready XD Really need to get some larger buckets XD It would make this so much easier!
So I'm going to take out 50%, top it up with the 30 litres, I currently have sitting, then top it up again an hour later with the last 15 litres  Smiley

Then I'll see what things are doing tomorrow morning!

Also I realised, that when I added stress zyme a few days ago, I forgot to shake the bottle again!! I keep doing that XD Do you guys reckon it'll be okay? I'm meant to add some more in 4 days, so it should be okay till then I hope... I might stick a giant sticker on the bottle saying 'Shake me' though because this wouldn't be the first time I've done it XD
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Re: Lucky's Adventures
« Reply #82 on: January 22, 2012, 02:28:57 PM »

It'll only be less effective, and the stresszyme will be getting thicker later. But that usually happens to any beneficial bacteria on bottle anyway Tongue

...I still don't understand why you leave the water to sit Huh
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Re: Lucky's Adventures
« Reply #83 on: January 22, 2012, 03:47:44 PM »

I bet Lucky is now lucky for a second time!.
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Re: Lucky's Adventures
« Reply #84 on: January 22, 2012, 06:57:52 PM »

Thanks fantailer! She is one lucky fishy!

Nossie; in case you hadn't notice, I'm a crazy cautious person Grin

The idea was to get the temperature to match, with the smaller tank it worked better, because I would prepare the water in the morning and do the change in the evening, so the temperature wouldn't fluctuate. It would only need 2 buckets most, to fill back up.
But changing 50% on the bigger tank, where it needs more 4 - 6 buckets, it's a little crazy to have that many buckets sat around the room all day.

When I did my change earlier the water went down by around 2 degree's celsius, so it's not the end of the world really.
Apart from the filter going weird, the change went rather well!

I got lots of fish nibbles from Lucky, so I'm glad she's doing okay in there Cheesy
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Re: Lucky's Adventures
« Reply #85 on: January 24, 2012, 08:28:37 PM »

Skwishee- I let my water sit too, used to be 24 hours, now with multiple large tanks, only 30 minutes. I think my fish are used to it, the one time I didn't they were all shocked. I know it isn't really necessary but I feel better doing it.
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Re: Lucky's Adventures
« Reply #86 on: February 09, 2012, 09:57:15 AM »

Hey everyone, just a little update, I'll get some pictures when I can, the tanks been re-arranged and I brought a nice amount of Elodea Densa which is currently Lucky's salad bar. I'm hoping that with a large amount, even if she does nibble it, it will grow back before she can eat all of it.

She was quite funny chasing one of the leaves that she bit off just now  Cheesy

The tank is cycling really oddly, as in, it hasn't really cycled at all Undecided I've been testing and changing the water every couple of days, but it's a little weird.... to begin with ammonia was 0.25ppm, nitrites 0ppm and nitrates 0ppm.
The ammonia hasn't gone any higher than 0.25ppm thank goodness and the colour slowly got lighter, but then just went back to 0.25ppm again on Sunday XD So a 50% change on Sunday and I did a 30% change yesterday. I'll do another change tomorrow or Saturday.

The tank's been set up for 3 weeks now, I've been making sure there isn't any debris in the gravel, I gave it a thorough clean after the first week and have been cleaning lightly since -maybe I cleaned it too much or something?-
So far nothing else has really showed up, Nitrites have been 0ppm the entire time and Nitrates has only just started to turn a shade darker than 0ppm -but not dark enough to be 5ppm- So hopefully it'll sort itself out soon!

Lucky has been absolutley fine, she occasionally gasps at the surface like she did in the smaller tank, but I'm not sure if this is frequent enough behaviour to be worried about. As it is sporadically throughout the day, not like she's hanging around constantly at the surface or the outlet  Smiley

Oh one other thing, I noticed on my driftwood a sort of.... grey-ish sheen in one or two spots? I'm not sure if this is the lighting in the room? I have checked it over, but it's only visible in water? Not too fussed at the moment, I sometimes wonder if I'm just worrying too much again  Wink
There was some sort of growth on it before, but that was much more noticeable and I made sure to clean that off with lots of scrubbing and boiling water Cheesy

Anyway hope everything is well with everyone else, I'll get a photo of the re-arranged tank soon  Grin
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Re: Lucky's Adventures
« Reply #87 on: February 16, 2012, 03:57:30 AM »

Here's a little photo Smiley

Lucky with the elodea plant, which she has started to nibble at, but I am hoping with lots in there, she can't possibly eat all of it at once, like she did with the cabomba XD Maybe I'll pick some more elodea up at the weekend, I really do quite like it in the tank Cheesy

From yesterdays water test, I also believe the tank has finally cycled! Hooray!
Rather oddly cycled, as Nitrites never showed up, Ammonia never went higher than 0.25ppm and Nitrates have only just started to appear 3 weeks in. So nearly there now, I'll carry on keeping an eye on things.
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Re: Lucky's Adventures
« Reply #88 on: February 16, 2012, 06:38:16 PM »

Thats good news Skwishee and your set up looks great, Lucky looks like he is watching you take the pic.

I have a question about snails, are bladder snails those small black ones? I put some in with Snowie and Bowie the Ryukins, I saw some of the snails for a few days afterwards but it now appears they are either hiding or have been eaten (bugger), yesterday I did find an empty shell, I think the fish must have sucked it right out of there, is that possible? Cheers all > Ron
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Re: Lucky's Adventures
« Reply #89 on: February 17, 2012, 04:50:52 AM »

Hey Ron,

Bladder snails are small, they have black bodies with antennae and I find their shells are more of a brown colour with spots.

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I have my little guys in Lucky's old tank, I do re call that when Lucky did see a snail (before I removed it) her reaction was to 'bite' it, had I left the snails in with her, I'm not sure if she would have eaten them.
Interestingly enough, I have found some empty shells in my snails only tank, no bodies to be seen, so I believe they must have died for some reason and then their buddies ate them up.

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It does mention how loaches are designed to suck out snails, whereas goldfish really aren't. So it could be that the snail died and it's body was then eaten?

It is quite possible that they've found a hiding place, you could chuck in some veg and see if they appear.
I know my snails absolutley love brocolli and peas. So perhaps you could set up a little feeding station for the snails and see if they appear. Maybe a jar with an opening small enough to keep the goldfish away from the food could work?

It is pretty amazing how much the little snails can eat, my little snail family will completely eat an entire stalk of brocolli until all that's left is poo and decaying brocolli mush  Roll Eyes

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