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Andrea
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Male or Female? Comet or Common?
« on: June 26, 2010, 02:33:57 AM »

Hi everyone Smiley

I took some photos of Sunshine the other day so you guys can try and help me gender him as I can't see anything but then I'm not to sure what I'm looking for bar bumps on the gills? I tried to get as close up as possible and cropped some of the photos. I noticed in the past Hanna posted photos of her fishies rears, should I do that too? I tried to get some photos of it but found it impossible. Sunshine doesn't seem to swim in a way that I can see it.

Also another question, I always thought Sunshine was a comet and he was sold to me as a comet, and I still do think he is comet. But I just have some slight doubts after seeing some of the comets on this forum and researching common goldfish. Clab's and Hanna's comets have extremely long fins/tails and I know every fish is different, but that is on of the main characteristics of a comet, right? Anyway just wondering Smiley
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Andrea
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Re: Male or Female? Comet or Common?
« Reply #1 on: June 26, 2010, 02:35:35 AM »

Oh and ignore the gross grime on the back of the tank. It is on the outside and every time I open my lid water drips down, so I gave up cleaning it awhile ago  Undecided
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Re: Male or Female? Comet or Common?
« Reply #2 on: June 26, 2010, 05:04:19 AM »

One thing about comets/goldfish in general, is that in pet stores, the fish usually have some smaller flaws on the fins or body shape, and that's why they're sold in pet shops Smiley Moors usually have butterfly tails, but mine has a normal fantail (and a single anal) and that's probably why he was culled, for an example Smiley I get the feeling that his body is a bit short for a comet, and the rest of the fins look quite short, because a comet usually has all the fins a bit longer than a common goldie. I dunno, if I was you, I'd say it's a sweet mix Smiley

And about the gender... The gill covers look really smooth, so I would guess that it's a little girl Smiley But I've judged most of my fish from their vent, so I haven't got a trained eye for gill covers yet xD Let's see what the others have to say! Cheesy
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Re: Male or Female? Comet or Common?
« Reply #3 on: June 26, 2010, 07:04:03 AM »

I cannot see anything on the gill covers, but I admit I never seen breeding tubercules before.
So Sunshine could be a girl and I vote she is a COMET, maybe with a little common in her like Nossie said.
Common goldfish do have a very compact tail fin, and yours Andrea is nice and wide, maybe not as forked as"pure" comets but still very nice and long  Grin
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Re: Male or Female? Comet or Common?
« Reply #4 on: June 26, 2010, 07:04:57 AM »

UUUPS, LOL, not like YOURS, Andrea, but like Sunshines, ..... sorrrry, LOL  Cheesy
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Re: Male or Female? Comet or Common?
« Reply #5 on: June 26, 2010, 12:24:37 PM »

Wow, Andrea these are some fantastic pictures!! Smiley
I almost think Sunshne might be a boy from the first picture.
If you raise the water temp a bit by adding a bit warmer water at the next water change, you might see the tubercles more pronounced.  Of course if you got another fish, you would definately see some spawning behavior whether they were both boys or girls. Grin
Look for the tubercules on the front fins, along the inside, down the fins in a straight line and on the head and gill plates.
Body shape is a good clue too and Sunshine doesn't seem to have the shape of an egg bearer. Wink
I think Sunshine is a comet because of his beautiful tail but probably a cross between a comet and a common like the rest said.
What a gorgeous fish he is anyways!!! Wink
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Re: Male or Female? Comet or Common?
« Reply #6 on: June 26, 2010, 01:24:25 PM »

Here is a picture I scanned of male and female goldfish.
Once you would see those tubercles you will very easily be able to spot them on other fish.
The top fish is of a male shubunkin.  The bottom of a female common.
Can you see the difference now? Wink
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Re: Male or Female? Comet or Common?
« Reply #7 on: June 26, 2010, 05:27:41 PM »

Ima say female comet. The gill plates dont have the fun little spots like in Mindemae's picture. and the tail is long, like my Sonorus'.
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Re: Male or Female? Comet or Common?
« Reply #8 on: June 26, 2010, 05:46:26 PM »

Very good pics Mindemae, they will help us all. THX  Wink
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Re: Male or Female? Comet or Common?
« Reply #9 on: June 27, 2010, 02:28:38 AM »

Thankks guys  Grin Glad to hear I have a little mixture just like my dog Tongue I'm thinking she is a female now too as I'm looking where Mindemae said and I can't see any bumps. But next time I do a water change I'll add some slightly warmer water and have a closer look. It's weird though because to me Sunshine has always seemed like a boy, just a feeling I guess. But I am a bit confused about she's body shape, it does seem a bit more boxed up than a females should be.

I really appreciate your help. You guys are the best  Cheesy
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Re: Male or Female? Comet or Common?
« Reply #10 on: June 27, 2010, 11:03:07 AM »

The tubercles really show up when a male fish is in the breeding/spawning mood.
Other than that, they are almost invisable. You can only see faintly where they had been. Smiley
Well whatever gender Sunshine is, he/she is gorgeous. Wink
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Re: Male or Female? Comet or Common?
« Reply #11 on: June 27, 2010, 04:34:52 PM »

I agree, your Sunshine makes the sun shine in your life. He/She's gorgeous Wink
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Re: Male or Female? Comet or Common?
« Reply #12 on: June 27, 2010, 05:53:47 PM »

It, defently looks like A Female! Smiley
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Re: Male or Female? Comet or Common?
« Reply #13 on: July 03, 2010, 12:17:40 PM »

Yep, there are no breeding tuburcules on your fish.
So, we have YET ANOTER SUNSHINE?  Wow, this is a popular name!  I think we should make a "Parade of Sunshines" thread and just take a poll of how many we have!
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Re: Male or Female? Comet or Common?
« Reply #14 on: July 03, 2010, 01:44:02 PM »

I think I
ll name my next fish Sunshine! Grin
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Re: Male or Female? Comet or Common?
« Reply #15 on: July 04, 2010, 04:28:33 AM »

I thought there was only two Sunshines. Though maybe everyone should get a fish and call it Sunshine, a paradise of Sunshine's sounds lovely Smiley
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Re: Male or Female? Comet or Common?
« Reply #16 on: July 04, 2010, 06:27:07 PM »

According to sexing goldfish I came across some other info on the net.
Apart from breeding tubercules on the male goldfish there are different signs in fineage:
The ventral fin: its first ray is very stiff and thicker on females
The pectoral fin:the first ray of the pectoral fin is thicker and more stiff in males. Its shape is also more pointier than the females one. Female pectoral fins are rounder and the first ray is not that thick.
Another difference is the shape of their vents: male: oval and concave, female: round and convex.

 Grin I can see you getting your magnifiers out now, and inspect, LOL..... well, we wanna know what we've got... Cheesy

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Re: Male or Female? Comet or Common?
« Reply #17 on: July 04, 2010, 06:31:04 PM »

Andrea, I had a closer look at the pix you posted: Sunshine has got rounder pectoral fins. I vote Sunshine is a GIRL. So have a look at her ventral fin. Can you recognoze the first ray? Is it thick and stiff?  Shocked  Roll Eyes
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Re: Male or Female? Comet or Common?
« Reply #18 on: July 04, 2010, 08:50:27 PM »

I think the hardest part of identifying your fish is trying to get them to hold still long enough for a good look.
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Re: Male or Female? Comet or Common?
« Reply #19 on: July 04, 2010, 09:06:50 PM »

LOL, yes, I AGREE  Grin
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Re: Male or Female? Comet or Common?
« Reply #20 on: July 05, 2010, 08:23:15 AM »

Hanna: From what it looks on the pic, the ventral fin does look quite stiff o_O So I think we can more or less rest assured that this is a little girl! Smiley

I noticed breeding tubercles on Horus' pectoral fins, tee hee Smiley I had a feeling he was a boy Wink
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Re: Male or Female? Comet or Common?
« Reply #21 on: July 05, 2010, 04:31:34 PM »

wooohooo, we are getting better in noticing important differences,  Grin
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Re: Male or Female? Comet or Common?
« Reply #22 on: July 06, 2010, 02:30:25 AM »

Hanna that was perfect information and I do believe I have a little girl In Sunshine. The first ray is alot thicker and stiff and is incredibly noticeable now that I see it.
Thanks guys Smiley I gotta spread the news now haha.
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Re: Male or Female? Comet or Common?
« Reply #23 on: July 06, 2010, 03:42:35 AM »

LOL, Andrea, you need to get a BOY now for your GIRL, they should enjoy each other. Now you know what to look for  Grin

Fishies need to have joy too,  Grin
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Re: Male or Female? Comet or Common?
« Reply #24 on: July 06, 2010, 04:53:23 PM »

I can't help but being a tad suspicious about our gender decisions! xD
Even though it's somehow so clear to see on our fish, the rough gill covers, the fin rays, the vents... why does it say in every book, and on every internet source that it's so HARD to distinguish genders in goldfish?
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Re: Male or Female? Comet or Common?
« Reply #25 on: July 07, 2010, 02:11:57 AM »

No! No! No! I don't want to be grandma yet Tongue I'll be quite happy if I get another girl and Sunshine can just be best friends with it hehe. I'm definitely giving it a girl's name, though it makes no difference, it gives off girly vibes haha.

Nossie, I don't really know I'm just trusting you guys.
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Re: Male or Female? Comet or Common?
« Reply #26 on: July 07, 2010, 03:43:19 AM »

Nossie, I dunno either, perhaps if they are VERY young and as every one is unique, like us humans Grin, sometimes it may be easier and sometimes a bit harder to recognize. I always believed there MUST be sth else bar the tubercules, so I kept searching and looking as close as I can at our fish... Cheesy

LOL Andrea, it is lovely to be a young OMA..... btw, our little granddaughter calls me OMA ELMO, bwahahaha Cheesy Grin
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Re: Male or Female? Comet or Common?
« Reply #27 on: July 07, 2010, 05:50:28 PM »

I thought that it could be because it's more complicated with goldfish than with bettas or different tropicals. Usually there's a big difference in color, size, shape of the body or fins. So if you compare it that way, it's pretty hard with goldfish d:

But I don't know myself o__o it's just a thought Wink
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Re: Male or Female? Comet or Common?
« Reply #28 on: July 08, 2010, 04:25:53 AM »

 ;DYou may be pretty right there, Nossie Grin
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Andrea
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Re: Male or Female? Comet or Common?
« Reply #29 on: July 08, 2010, 05:39:41 AM »

You're an Oma Hanna? I always thought you and your husband were a newly married couple in their 20's. Don't ask why but I think was a bit wrong Tongue
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