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Ryukin Goldfish w/"blisters" on tail. Need help
« on: March 06, 2010, 04:54:59 PM »

I had two Ryukin goldfish in a 16 gallon tank. They were super happy and healthy until our pet sitter over fed (by about 8000%) while we were away.  I lost one of my fish although upon returning I immediately cleaned the tank and aggressively treated with a fungal cure.  The second one had a "bubble" appear in the V of it's tail fin.  It looked like a blister in the fin, no odd coloring or fraying.  The bubble ultimately went away but the tail was then eaten away at the V and took on a black color.
After a full second treatment I just let it go hoping it was just dead fin and the infection was gone.  Now his tail has two or three of these small blisters on the ends (not the base) of the fin.  Anyone know what this is?  I don't know how to treat it and I hate to see him suffer the same fate as the last fish.  Help!
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Re: Ryukin Goldfish w/"blisters" on tail. Need help
« Reply #1 on: March 06, 2010, 05:11:52 PM »

Check your water parameters, especially ammonia. Since you recently cleaned the tank, you probably got rid of most of the beneficial bacteria that convert ammonia to less harmful chemicals.  The black color could be ammonia burn.  The tail being eaten away sounds like tail rot.  The blisters on the fins are probably bacterial infections also.  The tail rot and blisters can be treated with fish anti-bacterial medicated food.  If your tank is trying to cycle again, keep checking the water parameters to make sure they are safe for the goldfish and perform partial water changes as required.
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Re: Ryukin Goldfish w/"blisters" on tail. Need help
« Reply #2 on: March 06, 2010, 07:36:43 PM »

Hrm.. I thought I could help you until you said that the fin has spots that turned black. Did you notice any red streaking at all? I know when my Sonorus was sick, she had bubbles appear on her fins, which were soon accompanied with red streaks. Check your pH and ammonia, nitrates and nitrites. Like the person before, it could be ammonia burn and bacterial infection.

My advice for next time you go away is to pre-package the food into bags so that whoever looks after your fish doesnt overfeed. Just a thought. Smiley I wish I could help more. I really do
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Re: Ryukin Goldfish w/"blisters" on tail. Need help
« Reply #3 on: March 07, 2010, 03:31:51 AM »

The black spots may be a condition called Mela-Nophore Migration (generally when the fish's skin is blackening) it could be caused by several reasons, but here I believe it would be bad water quality after the kid over-fed your fish. Next time, leave CLEAR NOTES in writing as to how much and when he should feed Wink It might also be good, as Katarine said, to keep the daily dose of fish food in little bags.

Anyway, back to the black. Another reason why his tail is bit black could be that he's healing from the blisters you found on his tail.
But check the "bad water quality" problem as the first thing you do! If the water's fine, you could just go ahead and treat him for a bacterial or fungal infection. I suggest finding the symptoms in a book or something, they tend to have good instructions, and it's easier to get a good diagnose if you can find it yourself (: Since you're the only one knowing exactly what his condition looks like Wink

Either way, good luck! Hope he gets better (:
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« Reply #4 on: April 28, 2010, 10:03:41 PM »

Hi everybody,

I have kind of a related problem and I'm not super familiar with forums so I thought I could just post it as a reply Smiley.  I have 3 goldfishes, 2 are common and they are about five years old now, 1 is a fancy, I think about 3 years old.  The biggest one, who is about 6 inches long now, was having swim bladder problems (I think).  He would be ok in the morning, but by the time I got home from work he would be upside down by the tube for the air rock.  He didn't appear to have difficulty breathing, just hanging out upside down.  I think my boyfriend was feeding too much, but maybe it was just because he didn't have peas Smiley.  I gave them some peas last night and a bit of peas and brine shrimp today and so far there has been no upside down business Smiley.  Maybe he was backed up.  Anyway, I noticed today that he had lost a scale, but maybe it came off when I was cleaning the tank yesterday because I left the air rock fixture in, so maybe he brushed it.

Anyway, my other comet, Maverick, has recently developed these sort of blister looking bumps on his side.  It is only on one side and there are about three bumps.  They are a paler color of his orange.  It doesn't seem to be causing any pain, but I don't want it to turn into anything worse :/.

Also, you guys talk a lot of about testing the water, which I probably should.  My tank is currently 30 gallons.  The thing is, I don't know how the tests work.  Can you buy a kit and use it more than once?  Or do you have to buy a new one each time?  Sorry it probably sounds rediculous.  Thanks for any input/help Smiley.
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Re: Ryukin Goldfish w/"blisters" on tail. Need help
« Reply #5 on: April 28, 2010, 10:45:21 PM »

Hi Shannon,

Test Kits are available in pet stores which sell fish as well.
I recommend the API Master Test Kit, here in Australia it costs about 50-60 AU$. You can perform about 80 tests with it.
You can test for Ammonia, Nitrite, Nitrate and pH normal range and pH high range. You also may need pH Up and pH down powder.

Testing the water is very important to be able to provide best water quality for your fish.

Good remedial medications are Melafix and Pimafix which I recommend to get both of them too.
For preparing the water API StressZyme and API StressCoat is recommended.

Now to your fish:
What kind of  distress symptoms does Maverick show?
Is it real blisters or are they some white patches on his body? Or are they raised scales?

It could be a bacterial or fungal infection, it also could be poisoning with Nitrogens.

So first of all test your water. I recommend to buy your own test kit, then you know exactly the test results; not to take a water sample to the pet store and they may tell you all is fine, even if there may be traces of Nitrogens, which is NOT fine
Do a 30% waterchange, prepare with conditioner (API StressZyme and API StressCoat) to remove chloramines and other harmfull chemicals of the tap water. Please follow the instructions on the bottle.
The waterchange may need to be done daily in case Nitrogens show up, until Ammonia, Nitrite is 0ppm and Nitrate about 10ppm or lower. And please be careful with the temp. It should be constant, the same as the tank water.
Add Melafix / Pimafix according to instructions.

Hope this helps and Maverick will be fine soon
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Re: Ryukin Goldfish w/"blisters" on tail. Need help
« Reply #6 on: April 29, 2010, 01:56:16 AM »

Bumps may be tumors, if they are lighter than his skin, and as long as he doesn't show any discomfort it should be okay (: But keep an eye on him, just in case!

Try looking if any of your common fish are attacking your fancy goldfish! Or if any more scales come off. If you see either one of the cases, it might be good to keep him away from the commons, because they are faster swimmers and more boisterous than a fancy variety resulting in bullying. If the scales are falling off on their own, or if he seems to be rubbing himself against the tank sides or decor, you should treat him for a bacterial infection (or possibly parasites), but he needs to be in his own tank for the treatment or you might end up having your filter bacteria killed :C It's also better for a sick fish to be in peace and quiet for a while (:
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« Reply #7 on: April 29, 2010, 09:58:38 PM »

Hi guys,
Thanks for the tips!  I bought the test kit, hopefully it is the right thing, it was only $20 here or something like that but it says it can do 250 tests - it must not include some of those tests you say i should do.  i picked up a couple of those medicines that you guys recommend, melafix and pimafix.  I am nervous to use it though, there aren't much instructions.. it just says to remove the carbon before applying.  will it be ok to use in my tank with all the fish in there?  How often do you have to treat and for how long?  can you use them together or should i try one and then the other if it doesn't resolve?  so confusing, i don't want to hurt my fishies  Undecided.

As far as Maverick's bumps go, they look kind of fuzzy or squishy.  None of the fish have scales sticking out.  The fish that lost a scale is actually my other common, Baracuda.  My fancy is named Gidget, and I have a plecostamus (sp?) named Valdemort.  All of them are acting ok, I just have been lucky I guess and never had any issues with them until now so I am a bit clueless.  I really appreciate all your help, hope everyone has a good weekend  Smiley.
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Re: Ryukin Goldfish w/"blisters" on tail. Need help
« Reply #8 on: April 29, 2010, 11:34:42 PM »

Hi Shannon,
fuzzy looking bumps or spots can indicate bacterial and fungal infection.
As harmfull bacteria grow best in stagnant water or water with less movement and water with no or less oxygenation , good aeration and circulation is one step. Harmful bacteria also thrive in higher water temp. All beneficial bacteria love cooler temp and watercirculation and oxygenation.

Pimafix treats  fungal infections and internal and external bacterial infections. You need to add 4 ml per 40 l aquarium water and do this daily for 7 days. Ideally remove the carbon filter as the activated carbon in there makes every medication less effective. After 7 days you'll need to perform a 25% waterchange. If necessary this treatment can be continued.
You can use Pimafix with Melafix. Melafix is meant  to treat scratches, open wounds, ulcers, damaged tissue ( I used this one when our Humphrey got stuck in a rockhole and lost some scales )

Pimafix and Melafix are natural medications they do not destroy the beneficial bacteria. Your fishies will be fine.
Pimafix is bay oil and Melafix is tea tree oil. Here in Australia we also use tea tree oil cosmetics for humans though.
The tea tree is native here.

In more severe cases, you may need to use antibiotics or Malachite Green, again without carbon filter. But after a while they destroy the beneficial bacteria and your tank may not be cycled properly anymore.

So what else did you get?
Did you get API StressZyme and StressCoat? StressZyme contains beneficial bacteria, it boosts up the performance of the biological filter. StressCoat contains AloeVera. It also removes chlorines, chloramines, ammonia from tap water. I use those with every waterchange.

While you do have the test kit now, please test for:  Ammonia, Nitrate, Nitrite and pH

Please keep us updated.

By the way, I like your fishies names  Wink
We do have 2 comet goldfish, a boy and a girl: Humphrey and Hepsiba, sometimes we nickname them Hump and Hep or Humpsi and Hepsi  Cheesy

Shannon, I hope there is less confusion now, never hesitate to ask, please.
And THANKS, have a good weekend too

                             Hanna


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Re: Ryukin Goldfish w/"blisters" on tail. Need help
« Reply #9 on: April 30, 2010, 12:05:51 AM »

Shannon, I hope this site will not be removed by the mod, as it really helps to find out what kind of desease the fish can have: (Link is not visible to guests. Please register to view.)

otherwise you can google with " fish desease photos"
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« Reply #10 on: May 02, 2010, 12:07:23 AM »

Hi Hanna,

I bought stresscoat, but forgot the stresszyme, so no doubt i will be back at the pet store soon Tongue.  I'll go ahead an try to use both of those medicines, one of them should work Smiley.  Maverick seems to be his usual self so it must not be too bad, whatever it is.  I will have to read how to use my Ph test Smiley, but the water has been a lot clearer.  We used to use goldfish "crisps", but they tend to make the water murky red :/.  Gross!  Do you guys feed veggies?  I heard that you can feed them spinach..  have you given them that before?  you must have to shred it so that they can actually swallow it?

Thanks again for all the helpful tips Smiley.  Hope everyone is having a good weekend.
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Re: Ryukin Goldfish w/"blisters" on tail. Need help
« Reply #11 on: May 02, 2010, 02:30:38 AM »

I feed peas at least once a week, sometimes in between, to tell the truth always I cook sth for us with mixed veggies or peas I put 4 peas aside thaw them, shell them and cut them in tiny pieces and feed. Humpsi and Hepsi just wuff them down, it is incredible, like two hamsters, they get all they can in their little mouth and then they chew on it and if there is another piece of pea somewhere it gets gulped, regardless if they stil have sth in their mouth.

Otherwise I feed flakes( 3 different types ), small floating pellets and crisps, we also bought frozen brine shrimp. I feed this one once a week. I tried oranges, they did not fancy this one, zucchini is not on the hitlist either. I want to try strawberries too.

I am glad Maverick is doing ok.  Wink

Did you test for Nitrogens yet?
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« Reply #12 on: May 02, 2010, 03:44:10 AM »

Veggies are very important and good for goldfish since they contain lots of fibers which are important for the fish's digestive system (:
So feed them peas, cucumber, lettuce, spinach, zucchini... I tried cucumber and lettuce already, but my fish didn't seem to get the point d: I'll have to come up with another strategy...
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« Reply #13 on: May 02, 2010, 01:40:22 PM »

Have you tried red lettuce or salad greens?  When my fish got bored of leaf lettuce, they tucked right into the greens.  But yeah, fish do seem to refuse food sometimes.  Sunshine has decided that he no longer wants to eat peas.
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« Reply #14 on: May 02, 2010, 08:17:24 PM »

Hi guys,

Hanna - unfortunately, I did get the wrong test set, it only tests for pH.  I tested it, but I think it is higher because I took out the carbon today and started the meds - boy those have a strong smell Smiley!  Now I just have to remember to keep adding meds every day til next Sunday.  So I need to go to the pet store and find something that will test for nitrogens?  and the stresszyme, and you mentioned pH upper and downer?  Let me know if I miss anything Smiley.

Nossie - when you tried lettuce did you just pop a piece of it into the tank?  It seems like that is what they do at the pet stores, I have seen some weird stuff floating around in there!  We've got some spinach so I may give that a try when I get home from work tomorrow.

Maybe you have the right idea Hanna with just keeping a mixture of flakes/types of flakes on-hand.  I have freeze dried brine shrimp and freeze-dried bloodworms (nummy Wink), but the shrimps usually come out as dust and disappear into the abyss of the filter Smiley.

how often do you guys do water changes?  do you have a favorite filter system?
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« Reply #15 on: May 03, 2010, 04:07:09 AM »

Hi Shannon,
I do have a pH test kit, it contains a test tube testing drops and 2 bottles of powder: one is to get the pH up and the other is to get it down. According to test results you will need to add either a bit of one OR the other, mix the water well and after about 10 min test again for pH. I recommend to adjust only in small steps, especially the first time, after a while you will know how much you need.

For Nitrogens I do have the API Master Test Kit. It contains 4 test tubes and  test solutions for Ammonia, Nitrite, Nitrate and pH normal range and pH high range. I bought this one, because it is cheaper than buying every single test by itself, even if you buy only the first three.  ( this is why I got "double" for pH, because I started first with this one too, as they said in the store this all I need.... it turned out that we DO need the other one too)

Pimafix and Melafix do not affect the pH, as far as I know; and yes they smell strong, it is natural oil though... as I mentioned, I use Tea Tree Oil for scratches, wounds for myself, but NOT the Melafix one Grin

I do waterchange once a week, about 25 %. I prepare the water the day before adding conditioner to get rid of chlorine and chloramines, Algae Control, beneficial bacteria.
At the moment I do waterchanges a bit more often about 20% daily because some Ammonia is showing up since we installed the undergravel filter 1 week ago. This means the tank is undergoing a minor cycle again.

For filtration we do have towards the UG filter the one which comes with the tank: It comes down from the cover, sucks the water up which flows through a wool-carbon cartridge and ceramic noodles.

Just have a read through our other posts on here like "old tank water" , "change of filter pads" "what filtration do YOU use" in Tank and Equipment" and "nitrate and nitrite levels" in Health and Illness" in 'General Discussion" there are some good posts about cycling too, also go through the posts Nossie, Mindemae, Katharine, Andrea, Nicole, Anne wrote or Salty... hope I did not miss sbdy we discussed things with during the last 2 months....


Hope this helps and does not create confusion
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« Reply #16 on: May 03, 2010, 04:58:34 AM »

Shannon:: I tucked the lettuce down into the gravel, like a plant. And I got quite surprised when they didn't want to eat it since they loved eating a smaller plant I kept with them before! But maybe I should try another kind of lettuce, or some different feeding technique c: Picky babies~

It's quite important to keep a few different kinds of foods for the fish! The nutritional values are usually different from brand to brand, and it's really good to keep some sinking pellets along with the floating flakes/pellets, since the sinking food usually contain more protein, and the fish will only be healthier receiving a varied diet!

I change about a bucket of water in each of my tanks (bucket =10 liters and my tanks are 30 and 40 liters) and I always add water conditioner to it, about once a week or more depending on the water quality (: It's important to test the water before the water changes to determine how much you need to change!

In my current tanks I have a power filter rated 170l/h for the 40 liter one, and something quite similar to an undergravel filter in the 30 liter one. There's a tube in the middle of it with an airstone that creates a suction that draws the debris into the gravel, and up through activated carbon and into a sponge filter.

But I'll soon be getting an 83 gallon (depending on when it'll arrive to the store Wink) and there should be a power filter coming with it. I do like power filters, they're easy to clean and maintain and they seem to be working quite well!

Hanna:: How is the ammonia? I noticed that you're changing pretty much of water at a time, so you may be disturbing the filter bacteria that are establishing! So try changing at most 10% of the water every other day. And absolutely nothing more than 10% a day!
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Re: Ryukin Goldfish w/"blisters" on tail. Need help
« Reply #17 on: May 03, 2010, 05:18:42 AM »

HI Nossie,
today before the waterchange it was 1.0ppm
after about 0.25 ppm.
This just happened after we installed the UG filter. Cry

I do not touch the filters at all, only change the water, but thanks, I'll reduce the amount.  Smiley

Hump and Hep still OK so far, begging as usual, I think a bit more because I reduced the amount of food a little due to the Ammonia showing. And Humpsi is a champ in pooping... not that much Hep, but she can go too, lol  Wink
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Re: Ryukin Goldfish w/"blisters" on tail. Need help
« Reply #18 on: May 03, 2010, 06:01:20 AM »

Good to hear (:
You thought of lots of good things to do about the ammonia, I'm so happy! :'D
I'm so glad that your fish are alright (: Oh, and I was wondering, did you notice ever that Hump might be eating much more than Hep?
I found that mr. Popo (strangely enough) seems to be finding food absolutely everywhere outside of the feeding schedules so he usually has something trailing after him xD So it could be good to make sure that Hep is getting enough food too (: Not that it's a VERY bad thing, but in the long run, it might be less fun for Hep Wink
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« Reply #19 on: May 04, 2010, 04:13:04 AM »

Yes, of course, because we DO LOVE our fishies, care for them, look after them....
We want the best for our babies, and to make sure they get the best, we are on this forum  Wink
Humpsi may eat a bit more than Hepsi, but I make sure they both eat, I try to feed them in different corners, but don't succeed all the time, most times they gulp together, sticking their head out of the water when I approach with food in my fingers  Grin

Maybe Hep is to shy to trail in front of me, LOL, but I could see her spaghetti today, lol  Cheesy

Will do a small waterchange now, will keep you updated with my ammonia levels.
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« Reply #20 on: May 04, 2010, 04:53:58 AM »

Before water change ammonia was between  0.5 an 0.25 ppm, now after it is about 0.25ppm.
Hump and Hep watching me what I as doing, helping me counting the drops... lol
... and now my hubby and me we'll have fish & chips for dinner... Wink
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Re: Ryukin Goldfish w/"blisters" on tail. Need help
« Reply #21 on: May 14, 2010, 07:11:10 PM »

hey dudes and dudettes ( yay i am registered member Tongue),
unfortunately, the melafix and pimafix didn't seem to have any affect on Maverick's weird scale problem.  Since everyone is up to their usual trouble though, it must not be anything major.  just wanted to let you guys know since you were nice enough to help me out Smiley.  hope everyone has a good weekend!
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Re: Ryukin Goldfish w/"blisters" on tail. Need help
« Reply #22 on: May 14, 2010, 09:37:58 PM »

Hey shannon.. just read your post (man ive been gone a while) are they fuzzy bumps? cause then its like they said and its a fungus (I use fungus clear by jungle.. turns your water all yellow though..) but if not then.. maybe parasites? if so then perhaps picking up parasite clear (also by jungle Tongue) should help...  I know its an old post, I just wanted to get my two cents in..
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Re: Ryukin Goldfish w/"blisters" on tail. Need help
« Reply #23 on: May 22, 2010, 05:54:09 PM »

Hey Katarine, the bumps do look kind of fuzzy.  doesn't melafix or pimafix deal with fungal infections?  i think one of them does.  it doesn't appear to be changing so i have no idea.  i took some pictures i just have to figure out how to upload them Tongue.

on another note, my plecostamus seems to have lost his lust for life.  He is maybe only 5 years old but he looks like he is heading towards the white light if you know what i mean :/. he spends most of his time floating at the top, sometimes upside down Sad.  i can still see his eyes moving but i have no idea if there's anything i can do to save him.  i only noticed it this morning.  do you guys think the chemicals i put in for the goldfish could have been bad for him?  i changed out 2/3 of the water after having applied both of the medicines for 7 days.  i am nervous to try and change more in case it makes him stressed and kick the bucket.  any help is greatly appreciated as always Smiley, and hopefully i didn't post in the wrong place.
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Re: Ryukin Goldfish w/"blisters" on tail. Need help
« Reply #24 on: May 23, 2010, 12:28:26 AM »

Voldemort (pleco) died Sad.. now i will be too scared to get another one.  i read somewhere that they are quite dirty themselves, but i never noticed this.
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Re: Ryukin Goldfish w/"blisters" on tail. Need help
« Reply #25 on: May 23, 2010, 12:41:04 AM »

hopefully this works, these are the bumps you can kind of see on Maverick.  Sorry for all the posts!
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Re: Ryukin Goldfish w/"blisters" on tail. Need help
« Reply #26 on: May 23, 2010, 04:55:02 AM »

Don't be sorry for the posts, as much info as possible is always good (: Besides, we're all here to help! Cheesy

Now, it's pretty hard to see on this pic how they look, like if they're protruding much from his body or not. But to me it does look like some kind of infection around the edges of the scales... So if these are rather fussy, it might be useful to try and treat for fungus.
But if these bumps are protruding much from the body and looks a bit more slimy somehow, it might either be a mild case of fish pox or a small tumor (It doesn't look like a tumor though). Neither of them can, or need to be treated, the fish isn't suffering from the conditions in any way. (Extra info: Fish pox is a viral disease)

It looks most like fungus to me, so just buy yourself a fungus remedy and start treating (:

But I am a bit worried about what might have killed your Voldemort... did he have any signs of disease on him? On his skin, eyes, body shape? Was he swollen in any way or...?
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Re: Ryukin Goldfish w/"blisters" on tail. Need help
« Reply #27 on: May 23, 2010, 05:55:43 AM »

Shannon, I am so sorry to hear that Valdemort passed away.  Sad

I never experienced or seen bumps like this, I only hope that Maverick will get better soon, maybe you should get some more info of your local pet store too?
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Re: Ryukin Goldfish w/"blisters" on tail. Need help
« Reply #28 on: May 23, 2010, 12:26:15 PM »

I'll get out to the pet store today to try and get a fungus treatment.  I thought that the melafix or pimafix was an anti-fungal though?  Also, if it does turn out that it is something viral, it can't be treated right?

As far as Voldemort goes, he looked completely normal, other than the lack of swimming :/.  My boyfriend thinks that the fish may have starved him, which makes me sad.  I hope it wasn't that.  Anyway, thanks again for the help.  I still need to get something to test for nitrites and nitrates.
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« Reply #29 on: May 23, 2010, 01:04:40 PM »

This one can't, no, and like mentioned, it doesn't need to, the fish wouldn't be suffering in any way from it (:
But yes, Pimafix is good against fungus, but any fungus med would work d: It seems to be a mild case!
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