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April
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Mr. Tailer has another hole in his tail :(
« on: November 02, 2010, 02:22:38 PM »

I just discovered today that Tailer has another hole in his lovely tail Sad I am on day 6 of Melafix treatment as I noticed about a week ago that that area of his tail was beginning to fray somewhat. I am at a loss as to what the problem is so added Pimafix today as well and the water parameters are fine. Now I am starting to wonder if it is an organism that has attached itself to that part of his tail and feeds on the tissue every few weeks. I am going to a huge fish and aquarium warehouse store tomorrow and will be bringing this picture in with me to ask the staff if they've seen this anomaly before. Will let you know how it goes.
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Re: Mr. Tailer has another hole in his tail :(
« Reply #1 on: November 02, 2010, 04:12:47 PM »

HI APRIL, yep this is strange !?   Undecided Please keep us updatet. Anyway you're doing the right thing, Pimafix and Melafix
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Re: Mr. Tailer has another hole in his tail :(
« Reply #2 on: November 02, 2010, 07:59:33 PM »

Honestly, I am almost at the point of giving up. In the past 3 hours the hole has dissolved and there is now a small tear like the first time this happened. I feel helpless as I sit and watch this sh*te go down. There have been choice words and a lot of screaming in the sheer frustration of this. My poor little Tailer  Cry
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Re: Mr. Tailer has another hole in his tail :(
« Reply #3 on: November 03, 2010, 12:19:21 AM »

I read this as "..another hole in his HEAD" and I was like  Shocked At least it isn't that April. Now I have theory of why he has this, you've been having all the problems with the tank cycling and though Mr. Tailer was acting fine throughout it all, it might have taken a bit out of him and it is only just showing up now. Just like how you have can feel a little sick for awhile and then BAM your real sick.

Same thing has happened to Sunshine, acting fine during my mini cycle all done and he has a tiny bit of fin rot which I am now treating him for. The water quality is fine so that's why I have this theory Smiley

I'm sorry to hear about this though Sad Keep up with the melafix and I think it's great you are going to go ask the pet shop with a photo, maybe they can recommend some medication. It might be some sort of parasite  Undecided Hopefully Nossie or Mindemae can add something that might help.
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Re: Mr. Tailer has another hole in his tail :(
« Reply #4 on: November 03, 2010, 03:27:13 AM »

Hey April, you are not the type of girl who gives up, no, not you.
Mr. Tailer will be fine, sure.
He may have suffered a small injury ( like our Sunshine must have during the move because she has got a bit fin rot but I am treating with Pimafix and Melafix and it is getting better every day ) As long as Mr. Tailer behaves normal you shouldn't worry too much, concentrate on waterquality on regular waterchanges and treat with Pimafix and Melafix.
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Re: Mr. Tailer has another hole in his tail :(
« Reply #5 on: November 03, 2010, 08:31:15 AM »

April are your water parameters under control now?  ammonia and nitrite both zero?
Sometimes I've noticd that some fish are very sensitive to nitrites even a little bit.  I have seen fish get a tear or two in their tail fin when the nitrites are anything more than zero.  I usually just do a water change and maybe add some salt and wait and see if it heals on it's own. Smiley
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Re: Mr. Tailer has another hole in his tail :(
« Reply #6 on: November 03, 2010, 06:32:05 PM »

I am back from the BIG fish store and shared that photo with the staff there. I was lucky to get a 'goldie' girl too! who keeps many goldfish. After the pic was passed around, they all agreed to stick with the melafix and pimafix. Also to change out 1/3 of the water every 7 days and begin treatment again until it has healed completely for as long as a month. The use of salt was advised as well but I am not sure about adding it after that treatment using ammo lock several weeks ago.

To add insult to injury, I tested the tap water and it is again showing low levels of nitrite so any fresh water I add back to the tank already contains it. As for the ammonia levels, well with that darn ammo lock, the levels still show very high (4.0) even though they can't possibly be. I will NEVER use that stuff again! Nitrates are very low (5 to 10) which is excellent. The water is looking a little cloudy after adding more of the medicines today and a thin film is coating the tank walls. Lots of aeration and a new media insert (not the biofilter).

I promise to never give up on my best little fish friend I was just so frustrated and worried. I tend to be ultra sensitive when it comes to my animal friends as I love them so much  Smiley
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Re: Mr. Tailer has another hole in his tail :(
« Reply #7 on: November 03, 2010, 06:54:01 PM »

April, if you don't mind, I will ask my friend fish guru here what's the most similar to get from American manufactures compared with our SuperChlor (which he manufactures for aquariums and ponds)

If you don't mind, I'd like to show him Mr.Tailers tail too inform him about your tap water.

Then I'll let you know
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Re: Mr. Tailer has another hole in his tail :(
« Reply #8 on: November 03, 2010, 07:05:39 PM »

Please do Hanna - thank you Smiley much appreciated.
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« Reply #9 on: November 03, 2010, 07:08:11 PM »

OK, will do it just now, wanted your confirmation that you are fine with it  Grin
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Re: Mr. Tailer has another hole in his tail :(
« Reply #10 on: November 03, 2010, 07:23:05 PM »

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Please do Hanna - thank you Smiley much appreciated.

Just send an email to him, now we must be patient... all will be fine  Wink
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Re: Mr. Tailer has another hole in his tail :(
« Reply #11 on: November 03, 2010, 07:54:56 PM »

Thanks so much Hanna Cheesy
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Re: Mr. Tailer has another hole in his tail :(
« Reply #12 on: November 03, 2010, 09:29:08 PM »

The Melafix and Pimafix will make your tank seem cloudy.  I almost see a film on the tanks sides when I use it.  It has natural oils in it and I think it builds up on the glass of the tank.
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Re: Mr. Tailer has another hole in his tail :(
« Reply #13 on: November 04, 2010, 01:00:15 AM »

Oh thanks for the heads up Minde Smiley I cleaned it off with the tank sponge. Started adding some gravel to the new tank today. Do you think that nasty Ammo Lock will have left a residue on the rock? I don't want anything to mess up the cycle on that one and as Hanna says, I must be patient grasshopper Wink 
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Re: Mr. Tailer has another hole in his tail :(
« Reply #14 on: November 04, 2010, 03:28:08 AM »

I bet he'll be just fine Smiley After all, one hole or tear in the tail is one of the easiest thing to care for and you usually don't even have to treat! Besides, I wouldn't worry about the nitrite in the tap water, it will all be handled by the beneficial bacteria in the tank once it'd done cycling Smiley

And again, not to worry about the ammo lock, as long as you rinsed the gravel well (preferably in a bucket of tank water) it should be perfect! Cheesy
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Re: Mr. Tailer has another hole in his tail :(
« Reply #15 on: November 04, 2010, 03:39:51 AM »

Hi April,

Mr. Tailers hole in his tail seems to be a slight fungal infection, due to too much w/c's. Here's the link which explains it. A new thing to learn and think about.

If you can get Purigen and Prime in Canada, it should do the trick. But I think Graham will explain this to you too.
I had a look and read the discussion and it explains why Sunshine got a bit of fin rot: too much fresh water -even if treated with conditioner, etc- and a bit of stress when we changed the tank over

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Re: Mr. Tailer has another hole in his tail :(
« Reply #16 on: November 04, 2010, 07:40:35 AM »

Hello April,
Graham is my name and I am Hanna's friend that she mentioned, I read through this thread and have given it some thought, firstly Ammo lock may not have caused ammonia problems in your tank, the active ingredient in all of these type of products on the market is, (apart from some other things), formaldehyde. This chemical may interfere with your test and give you a false reading, it is possible you have no commonly understood problems with your water.
Before I start I would also add that almost all diseases are caused by a water condition and the least understood condition is the tap water itself, specifically hydrated lime. Hydrated Lime or Caustic soda, (which turns into Hydrated lime when in contact with calcium) are added to drinking water by recommendation of the World Health Organisation  to all developed countries. If your tap water comes out of the tap at 7.6 pH it is as a result of lime, unless your drinking water come from glacial ice, which is possible.

If you have turned you tank white with the cures you are using, stop there addition now, you have used to much, don't add any more and do a 50% water change to remove them from your tank, ammo lock won't be leaving that residual.
Even though I have recommended this big water change, I would not have recommended any change for another 2 weeks at least, the melafix in particular is an oil (tea tree oil) and you may have gone a bit far with it, understandably of course.

The reason I recommend less water change is because the only way to stop the cause of your problem (lime) is to allow the biology of your tank to break it down, which it will do with time. My products remove lime but you can't get them in your country at the moment.
You have the very early stages of a fungal infection, that could have been caused by your tank cycling, but it is as likely to be hydrated lime. The reason I say this is because your tank is crystal clear, aged tanks that have absorbed lime have a very slight amber tinge, well planted tanks are a good example of this.
 Seachems prime or any water conditioner that can remove toxic metals are what you need to use when you do your water change, they will have EDTA in them and this will soften the water to some extent, Calgon is the chemical I use as well as Edta, but this toxin (lime) is largely misunderstood and I am the only manufacturer I know that uses it, there's a story in that as well.
To keep your aquarium in good order in future never add cures unless it is your last resort (your problem is not bad) monitor your pH, make sure it isn't becoming acid, don't worry to much about nitrates, goldfish are quite happy with very high levels. I would try to get away with no more than about 20% per fortnight, you need to get to that amber colour.

You can read more in detail about water changing with respect to lime removal by clicking on the link below, I had an in depth discussion on another forum which helped develop my own understanding.
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I hope this helps
Regards Graham Lloyd-Jones
 
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Re: Mr. Tailer has another hole in his tail :(
« Reply #17 on: November 04, 2010, 07:53:29 PM »

I have a fish who has had two holes in his tail for about 3 months. He came like that. Other than the holes he is perfectly healthy. I used medication for fin rot and they cleared up perfectly fine exept for one on his ventral fin. Just thought I'd share that Smiley
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Re: Mr. Tailer has another hole in his tail :(
« Reply #18 on: November 04, 2010, 08:09:54 PM »

Thank you Graham for your great post, I believe this will help lots of members on this forum towards a better understanding whats happening with and in the water, including me.  Grin  See you and Kerry on Sunday  Smiley

Thank you goldiegirl for sharing  Smiley so we know it is nothing strange  Wink
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Re: Mr. Tailer has another hole in his tail :(
« Reply #19 on: November 04, 2010, 09:21:46 PM »

I bought my goldfish Fanta with a little hole in his fin. It has been there for a year now and it has never caused any problems. I actually think its kind of cute Tongue
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Re: Mr. Tailer has another hole in his tail :(
« Reply #20 on: November 04, 2010, 10:31:13 PM »

Thanks to Graham for this very informative post! You are absolutely right - the pH of my tap water is 7.5 and it is not from glacial ice. For many years I have used a Brita filtration device on the tap itself because I simply hated the taste of this city's tap water. Not long ago I discovered that my nitrate readings were off the chart coming thru the filter itself as I have always used filtered water for the aquarium. I have since removed that filter and started using plain tap water with a suitable water conditioner before adding it to the tank. I now understand how everything got so messed up and you're right - I went overboard with water changes in an attempt to free up some of my tank parameter readings. All the while throwing the balance completely out. Several other forum members have warned me about this as well. I have done as you suggested and changed half of the water and will hold off any further additions of medicines. Hanna I must thank you again for sharing my dilema and getting your friend involved Cheesy I had no idea about the nature of the city water coming out of my taps. I hope to see Graham's products in Canada in the future or I will just have to pay a visit down under! All the best Cheesy
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Re: Mr. Tailer has another hole in his tail :(
« Reply #21 on: November 04, 2010, 10:35:25 PM »

Goldiegirl and Abbiesaurus it is comforting to be hearing that this is not a serious matter - thanks for sharing that Wink
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« Reply #22 on: November 04, 2010, 10:44:27 PM »

Fortunate to have a chance meeting a guy like Graham and his wife Kerry, otherwise I woudn't have known much about town water either  Smiley
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Re: Mr. Tailer has another hole in his tail :(
« Reply #23 on: November 04, 2010, 11:45:48 PM »

Hey April, you can sleep in the Teddy Bear Room, lol  Grin

Here are the products I recommend for you at this stage: Purigen is the same as Macropore and Prime comes close to Grahams Supa Chlor, only that it doesn't remove hydrated lime  Ca(OH)2  like Supa Chlor does.

I also add this Stability to every water change.
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Re: Mr. Tailer has another hole in his tail :(
« Reply #24 on: November 05, 2010, 12:07:22 AM »

This is fantastic information Hanna thank you for posting, now I will look for similar items here or I will really have to go there to buy these great products - did you hear that???...♪♫♪♫ ding ding ding ding = KARMA Woohoo!!! Aww with all those adorable teddy bears - how sweet Wink
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« Reply #25 on: November 05, 2010, 12:23:19 AM »

HEHE, Karma for you too, lol, THX Grin yeah Grahams products only here available for now, but you should be able to get Seachem products there too. Have a look Wink
Yes would be NICE to see your teddy bear  Grin
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Re: Mr. Tailer has another hole in his tail :(
« Reply #26 on: November 05, 2010, 02:10:12 AM »

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Thanks to Graham for this very informative post! You are absolutely right - the pH of my tap water is 7.5 and it is not from glacial ice. For many years I have used a Brita filtration device on the tap itself because I simply hated the taste of this city's tap water. Not long ago I discovered that my nitrate readings were off the chart coming thru the filter itself as I have always used filtered water for the aquarium. I have since removed that filter and started using plain tap water with a suitable water conditioner before adding it to the tank. I now understand how everything got so messed up and you're right - I went overboard with water changes in an attempt to free up some of my tank parameter readings. All the while throwing the balance completely out. Several other forum members have warned me about this as well. I have done as you suggested and changed half of the water and will hold off any further additions of medicines. Hanna I must thank you again for sharing my dilema and getting your friend involved Cheesy I had no idea about the nature of the city water coming out of my taps. I hope to see Graham's products in Canada in the future or I will just have to pay a visit down under! All the best Cheesy

Hello April,
I would have to say that it is refreshing to see people who treat their Goldfish as pets and are concerned about them as individual animals, enough to give them names, ( even though I was making fun of Hanna on an Australian forum with respect to this) Smiley
What you were doing for Mr Tailer was clearly done with his health in mind, it's a shame more people weren't as caring about there pets as yourself and Hanna.
I would agree with the posts above, that if this is a fungal infection it is very minor. Also if you can't get the products Hanna has displayed look for a Water Conditioner that removes toxic metals. Even though you are unhappy with Ammo Lock, it may do this and may be your only option. Sera and Tetra products will do this, in fact Tetra invented the first product to do it, Supa Chlor goes a little further and removes lime specifically but you can't get it in Canada.

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Re: Mr. Tailer has another hole in his tail :(
« Reply #27 on: November 05, 2010, 06:00:45 AM »

Graham:  Shocked That was very interesting to read and I imagine also explains my ph of 7.6.

I really want to look into getting a new and better water conditioner. Might have a look around for those products Hanna mentioned but I don't think I've ever seen them down here.
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« Reply #28 on: November 05, 2010, 06:11:29 AM »

LOL, Graham, we do have fun on this Aussie Forum, I love it, lol, I played the game   Grin
But you are right, we cherish our fishies, they do have their own personalities and it is just so beautiful as they give so much love back, well this is my impression anyway  Cheesy

Andrea, as you are in Aussie, you should be able to order products of Grahams website, just send Graham a personal message and ask him if you are interested Wink He sure will provide you with the necessary information. Wink
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Re: Mr. Tailer has another hole in his tail :(
« Reply #29 on: November 05, 2010, 02:47:42 PM »

Just had a visit from my Mom, she is amazed at Tailer's increasing size and delighted to see how happy he is when we came near his tank  Grin I shared with her the kind and helpful team of forum members on here and we both feel so very grateful for everyones advice and encouragement regarding my sweet little friends wellbeing. I am truly honored, ahh I could go on but know this, you have made this kooky fish lovin' gal very happy! Peace my friends Wink
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