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Katarine
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My Calico seems to be losing his scales... is this normal?
« on: January 09, 2010, 08:22:45 PM »

I just bought a new calico, along with another goldfish, and they seem to be doing pretty well in terms of space and getting along ( i mean they arent killing each other), and I know the water is fine, I check it all the time.

However, My Calico goldfish seems to be losing some scales in the water, and I have no idea if this is a disease or not! I did a lot of research to try and pin SOMETHING but i cant put a finger on it. Perhaps its just growth?Huh??  He's not my first fish. but i still feel like a newbie when it comes to illness and irregularity. Can someone please please help?

Thank you soo soo much!
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Mindemae
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Re: My Calico seems to be losing his scales... is this normal?
« Reply #1 on: January 10, 2010, 10:50:47 AM »

Are you sure that your goldfish haven't been spawning?  Maybe bumping up on something in your tank. Sometimes during aggressive spawning or chasing  a fish will lose some scales.  You can add salt and or melafix to your tank for 3 days or so as a precaution if you are worried.
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Re: My Calico seems to be losing his scales... is this normal?
« Reply #2 on: January 10, 2010, 03:12:51 PM »

Okay thanks! I have a funny feeling all my fish are girls though... and they dont really swim much... but I'll try and find some Mellafix and hopefully that'll fix it.
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Re: My Calico seems to be losing his scales... is this normal?
« Reply #3 on: January 10, 2010, 08:49:16 PM »

yeah, melafix should do it...although that stuff is weird. sometimes its alkaline, other times it zaps the water acidic and the formula seems to change every time i buy a new bottle. however, the company states that melafix shouldn't change pH. go figure.
make sure you keep your water at 7.o flat, only allow a deviation of o.1 point on the pH scale because if you let it slide, your fish will really start losing scales and that kills them 90% of the time.
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Re: My Calico seems to be losing his scales... is this normal?
« Reply #4 on: January 10, 2010, 09:22:36 PM »

Ill make sure to keep an eye on him (or her! I HATE trying to gender my fish... Tongue)
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Re: My Calico seems to be losing his scales... is this normal?
« Reply #5 on: January 12, 2010, 10:34:25 AM »

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yeah, melafix should do it...although that stuff is weird. sometimes its alkaline, other times it zaps the water acidic and the formula seems to change every time i buy a new bottle. however, the company states that melafix shouldn't change pH. go figure.
make sure you keep your water at 7.o flat, only allow a deviation of o.1 point on the pH scale because if you let it slide, your fish will really start losing scales and that kills them 90% of the time.

Actually higher pH is best for goldfish.  A pH of 7.0 is too low and may drop, causing a pH crash and this can kill the fish.  I have low pH where I live, so I use dissolved baking soda to buffer it each water change.  I keep mine at 7.8-8.0.
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Re: My Calico seems to be losing his scales... is this normal?
« Reply #6 on: January 14, 2010, 03:51:49 PM »

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Actually higher pH is best for goldfish.  A pH of 7.0 is too low and may drop, causing a pH crash and this can kill the fish.  I have low pH where I live, so I use dissolved baking soda to buffer it each water change.  I keep mine at 7.8-8.0.

That's very interesting! How much baking soda do you dissolve? I have a little problem with my pH value as of now, and I'd need to raise both that and the kH. It said on my water tests that if the kH is low, the pH is automatically unstable and might drop. Do you think it would help if I would try to raise the pH without enhancing the kH first?
(I don't have the special conditioners needed to change the values for now... and it'll take a week to get them since there's no pet store around here.)

Sorry for going offtopic, everyone!
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Re: My Calico seems to be losing his scales... is this normal?
« Reply #7 on: January 14, 2010, 07:19:29 PM »

I tried using crushed coral to keep the GH higher, but the stuff was such a mess that I threw it out.  Now, instead of trying to raise the GH and making a huge mess in the tank, I just use dissolved baking soda at each water change.  For my 30g, Iuse about 4 rounded teaspoons full, dissolved before adding, and I add it as I am putting the new water in.  For my 150g stock tank, I use 10 rounded teaspoons full, dissolved.  This keeps my pH high for 7 days.  It may keep it steady longer than that, but I do a big water change on all my tanks once a week, so I don't know.  Baking soda is good because:
1.  It is cheap!
2.  It will only raise the pH to 8.3 no matter how much you add in the tank, so you can never overdose it.  8.3 is baking soda's maximum buffering capacity. 

I have a friend who keeps her tank at 8.3-8.5 pH and her fish don't have a problem with it being that high.  Low pH is much more deadly than high pH.
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Re: My Calico seems to be losing his scales... is this normal?
« Reply #8 on: January 14, 2010, 11:07:57 PM »

AH! Baking soda! I knew that! I knew that! I knew that! -facepalm- paaahhhh... why didnt I think of that?! Tongue
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Re: My Calico seems to be losing his scales... is this normal?
« Reply #9 on: January 15, 2010, 11:06:52 AM »

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I tried using crushed coral to keep the GH higher, but the stuff was such a mess that I threw it out.  Now, instead of trying to raise the GH and making a huge mess in the tank, I just use dissolved baking soda at each water change.  For my 30g, Iuse about 4 rounded teaspoons full, dissolved before adding, and I add it as I am putting the new water in.  For my 150g stock tank, I use 10 rounded teaspoons full, dissolved.  This keeps my pH high for 7 days.  It may keep it steady longer than that, but I do a big water change on all my tanks once a week, so I don't know.  Baking soda is good because:
1.  It is cheap!
2.  It will only raise the pH to 8.3 no matter how much you add in the tank, so you can never overdose it.  8.3 is baking soda's maximum buffering capacity. 

I have a friend who keeps her tank at 8.3-8.5 pH and her fish don't have a problem with it being that high.  Low pH is much more deadly than high pH.

Thank you! (: I think I might add some already this weekend! (water change isn't due until after next.)

I decided to check on that pH yesterday, like how much is a suitable level for goldfish in particular, and it said that they should have at least 7.4, but rather higher. So you could be right! Wink
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Re: My Calico seems to be losing his scales... is this normal?
« Reply #10 on: January 15, 2010, 11:18:07 AM »

Ihave friends on my other forum that live in FL and some in Minnesota and their pH is naturally high and there is nothing that they can do to bring it down.  In Florida, the pH runs about 8.5 and in Minnesota, the pH is about 8.3.  Neither of these friends alters their pH in any way and their fish thrive.
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Re: My Calico seems to be losing his scales... is this normal?
« Reply #11 on: January 26, 2010, 10:55:42 PM »

baking soda... seriously why didnt I think of that? But wouldnt that be unhealthy for the fish? I mean, I know its very very basic in a solution but the chemicals they put into that stuff these days.... :S
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Re: My Calico seems to be losing his scales... is this normal?
« Reply #12 on: January 27, 2010, 09:38:03 AM »

My baking soda is rather pure, there aren't any extra things added, but I don't know about them American sodas if they're any different...
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