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cdale
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My cycle, any advice?
« on: March 11, 2012, 08:23:30 AM »

Hey guys its me! Smiley
I have been cycling for approx. five weeks now and I'm still at the same stage! Ammonia levels just above 0 but nothing else seems to be moving?
I have been doing water changes every other day because of the ammonia and adding beneficial bacteria. Anyone have any advice about what more I can do or is it just a waiting game? Am I doing anything wrong?
Here's a picture to show you what it has looked like for the last 5 weeks! 
Sorry if I'm getting annoying because if posted about my ammonia worries before and got told it takes a while to cycle, just wondering though because I haven't even moved into a stage yet... ?
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Re: My cycle, any advice?
« Reply #1 on: March 11, 2012, 09:06:49 AM »

well, there does appear to be some nitrate there, no nitrite..so I guess it is cycled Grin

 
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Re: My cycle, any advice?
« Reply #2 on: March 11, 2012, 12:49:48 PM »

If those were my levels after 5 weeks I'd call it cycled.
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Re: My cycle, any advice?
« Reply #3 on: March 11, 2012, 01:43:49 PM »

Oh really? The thing is the nitrate test is really confusing, it comes out of the bottle at that orange colour? Or maybe it's just me thinking it's not cycled? There has never been any nitrites? Unless there was some in the first week without the fish in? Because I didn't have the liquid tests to tell then...Do you all think I'm OK then? Smiley
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Re: My cycle, any advice?
« Reply #4 on: March 11, 2012, 01:57:23 PM »

yep, you are looking good Grin
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Re: My cycle, any advice?
« Reply #5 on: March 11, 2012, 01:58:58 PM »

Oh great thanks! I'm so HAPPY!  Grin Yay! Another few months and I'll be cycling another tank, but a lot bigger! Smiley
Hope your fish gets better by the way Scrivens!
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Re: My cycle, any advice?
« Reply #6 on: March 12, 2012, 08:19:10 AM »

Hmmmm that ammonia..... Is it still showing 0.25ppm? Because that's what it looks like from here...

I've been having mixed feelings about the ammonia test from API, mine has ALWAYS shown a hint of green. Apart from when I first set up the new tank, that is the only time, I have ever seen the darn thing yellow.
I would say keep up with the water changes, maybe cut down on them a little, to twice a week, if you have nitrates showing and no nitrites. But you really want to get the ammonia to 0ppm.

I'm still on my water change marathon and might even resort to getting a second ammonia test kit from another brand, because it annoys me that it is consistently there, I used to often wonder if its something wrong with the test, but obviously it works because it showed up as yellow/0ppm when I first set up the tank.

Hmmm I'm just speaking from experience cdale, after that ammonia poisoning scare and my moment of 'oh crap the test was right this entire time' I wouldn't want the same thing to happen to you hun.

Have you been cleaning the filter? I'm beginning to suspect my un-cleaned external filter is the reason for my annoying level of ammonia, so I intend to clean it this week, just to make sure there's no debris or anything!
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Re: My cycle, any advice?
« Reply #7 on: March 12, 2012, 08:48:44 AM »

I have never seen the yellow! Mine also only shows a tint of green, the colour above every time I test :/ Just like yours, it's nice to think that it's not only me that has this annoying problem, scares me because I think of the long term damage that it might be doing to Carlos?

Yeah I was thinking cut down to twice a week, I have been doing it every other day but now I have learnt that it is probably cycled I will lay off a little! Smiley Just the ammonia that is getting to me... The test always shows that but I have a little ammonia indicator in the tank and it never goes above the safe level, so I trust that!

Let me know if you buy another test and let me know what it says...I will buy one if this one is a bit of a fluke? Thanks for reassurance! Smiley

Yeah I have been cleaning the filter every other water change, hope that is OK? It seems to get dirty really easily so I always clean it in the old tank water...
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Re: My cycle, any advice?
« Reply #8 on: March 12, 2012, 09:14:51 AM »

every time you feed your fishies you are adding ammonia, every time they pooh they add ammonia...keep an eye on it and if it starts to rise despite weekly water changes then you need to take action...i usually do a mid-week gravel clean in addition to the normal water change at the week-end

what's your filtration to tank size ratio?
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Re: My cycle, any advice?
« Reply #9 on: March 12, 2012, 12:01:11 PM »

I hoover the gravel every time I water change because there is always a few poops floating around, don't think I could be cleaning it anymore than I do?!  Undecided

I'm not sure of my ratio, I have a Interpet PF1 filter which has a max Flow Rate:380L/hr and is suitable for tanks of 45-68Litres, mines 48 at the minute so I thought that was pretty good. Is it?
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Re: My cycle, any advice?
« Reply #10 on: March 12, 2012, 12:07:41 PM »

that's a tad under-filtered, but is reasonable. As long as your fish are happy, keep doing what you're doing Grin
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Re: My cycle, any advice?
« Reply #11 on: March 12, 2012, 12:12:02 PM »

Well there is the PF2 at a reasonable price for tanks from 40-90L I think but all I am worried about is that even this filter has quite a strong current, if I went and bought the other he wouldn't even be able to swim because of the strong current? He will only have this filter for another 3 and a half months, then it's big tank time! Cheesy So He'll be OK won't he? If I just carry on doing regular water changes for the ammonia?
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Re: My cycle, any advice?
« Reply #12 on: March 12, 2012, 12:28:01 PM »

yes, it should be OK. Try cutting back the water changes to twice a week, and see how you go from there.
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Re: My cycle, any advice?
« Reply #13 on: March 12, 2012, 12:32:20 PM »

OK thanks, will do! I did one yesterday so I'll do one like wednesday! Smiley It feels strange leaving the water alone! Got so used to my water changing marathon!  Grin

Hope your fishy is OK Scrivens?
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Re: My cycle, any advice?
« Reply #14 on: March 12, 2012, 01:05:21 PM »

he seems a bit brighter today thanks. Put him back in the big tank and the other ryukin kept cuddling up to him...really sweet Grin
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Re: My cycle, any advice?
« Reply #15 on: March 12, 2012, 01:08:52 PM »

Oh good, I'm glad to hear! Smiley Hope he gets better soon!
Awwwh how sweet! Trying to make him feel better and must have missed him!  Smiley
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Re: My cycle, any advice?
« Reply #16 on: March 14, 2012, 04:56:28 AM »

Aww ryukin cuddles sounds very cute Scrivens!

Sounds like you know what to do now Cdale Smiley My ammonia test yesterday was almost yellow, at a glance it was yellow-ish, but when checking properly I became convinced there was a hint of green to it. So I ended up doing a water change yesterday anyway just in case, will see what it's doing tomorrow.

I'm sure Carlos will be fine hun, you've been doing plenty of water changes. Even Lucky (who has been through a lot) is acting much better, although she does still gasp, it doesn't seem to be as frequently as it was before Smiley So slowly getting there!

Might try and do some digging about the ammonia test itself, OH!!! I just remembered something.
Have you tried soaking your test tube and cap in some warm water, completely drying it out and testing it then?
I have heard of people getting mis-readings when their test tubes aren't completely cleaned properly after tests, so residues from previous testing can mess it up.

Just soak the test tube in a bowl of warm water for about 20 minutes, then gently dry it out with a kitchen towel.

It didn't work for me, but it might work for you Grin
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Re: My cycle, any advice?
« Reply #17 on: March 14, 2012, 11:40:12 AM »

Oh cool thanks for the advice Skwishee, I'll try soak them and see what happens! Smiley

I did my first water change of the week, of my new routine 'twice a week' but when I tested it it was higher in ammonia, freaked me out so I a changed a bit more, seems a little less now but still not yellow!!!  Embarrassed But this could be a misreading from doing the two tests in a row?
I might do a water change tomorrow too just be sure?  Smiley

Thanks for the support Skwishee Smiley
I might try a Tetra test instead of API and see what happens? Smiley Have you got API then? I have Tetra nitrite and nitrate and they're pretty good! Might give it a go?...
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Re: My cycle, any advice?
« Reply #18 on: March 14, 2012, 06:32:04 PM »

I have the API Freshwater Master Test Kit  Smiley
I've had no issues with any of the other tests, just the ammonia.

While I do have concern it's the test... I can't help but consider that it was 0ppm when the tank was first set up, it was the most yellow I had ever seen it, I think I just need to be patient and keep at it.
It has to get back to being at yellow at some point, I mean I have ONE goldfish, in a 90 litre tank, with around 1600 lph filtration -it's probably lower than this as filters often do less than the stated amount (the number given is the best possible outcome) because they are usually tested without media and things in them, so when media is added it will be less- this is between two filters and 3 water changes each week, there is no way on earth, that ammonia can stick around this time. At least I sure hope not Grin

It has only been 5 weeks, cycling can take up to 8 weeks, so maybe keep at it for a while?
This tank has been cycling since the end of January so I'm almost at the 8 week mark myself. I think if it goes beyond that and I still have issues, then I'll begin blaming the test again Cheesy
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Re: My cycle, any advice?
« Reply #19 on: March 14, 2012, 07:02:22 PM »

I have the API test too. The water will be yellow, do you hold it up to a white surface (like the back of the card)? I always think "it looks green" when it's just sitting there but if I place it against a white background it is definitely yellow.
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Re: My cycle, any advice?
« Reply #20 on: March 14, 2012, 07:14:45 PM »

Ah good tip Cheri, that hadn't occurred to me Smiley
I find myself getting paranoid about the ammonia test these days, I sometimes wonder if me staring at it, maybe I just convince myself it's green? Roll Eyes It definitely looks green when I'm not holding it up to anything.... One person mentioned to me that they check their water tests in the bathroom because it's the whitest room in the house due to the tiles, perhaps another idea to try as well!
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Re: My cycle, any advice?
« Reply #21 on: March 15, 2012, 03:25:03 PM »

Yeah I figured it just takes time? I have ammonia still now, so I've done a few extra water changes, I am also determined to get rid of the green!! Today it was even darker which freaked me out a bit  Undecided I did a water change and it came down a little...

Yeah Cheri I have always held it up to the white and it's been 0.25 for a while, I also do it in the bathroom as I figured I can see it a lot better! Smiley It can't be the test then, think we need to stop kidding ourselves Skwishee haha!  Grin
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Re: My cycle, any advice?
« Reply #22 on: March 15, 2012, 03:28:37 PM »

I know, kidding myself the test was wrong (because of the testing at the pet store), was what got poor Lucky sick in the first place Sad
I only hope she doesn't have any permanent damage Sad
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Re: My cycle, any advice?
« Reply #23 on: March 15, 2012, 03:31:51 PM »

Don't let yourself get down by it, you know more about it now! Smiley I am worried about Carlos too, he has been in the ammonia for a while now so I too hope he has no lasting damage?! I am beginning to hate the colour green! ha  Grin
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Re: My cycle, any advice?
« Reply #24 on: March 15, 2012, 03:36:55 PM »

Carlos should be okay, his only been in it for a few weeks, whereas Lucky is more like a few months, because of the iffy water quality in the smaller tank. But hopefully she'll be okay Smiley Only time will tell with her, I just hope it's nothing serious!
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Re: My cycle, any advice?
« Reply #25 on: March 15, 2012, 04:00:04 PM »

I think the affects will only last a couple days. Usually after a few days my goldfish are much happier when they leave the ten gallon quarintine tank. Wink
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