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sarah1006
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my goldfish have white spot, treating them but they are acting strange... help!
« on: November 04, 2010, 05:45:15 AM »

I noticed that my goldfish had white spots all over them a couple of days ago so began treating them with a spot off treatment. they now just sit at the bottom of the tank and now my bubbled eyed fish eyes have gone kind of cloudy and look as though they are peeling. I have 4 fish in a 65L tank, i since starting the treatment four days ago i have been changing 20% of the water every day or two. Why are my goldfish eyes doing this and how long should i continue with the treatment.
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« Reply #1 on: November 04, 2010, 05:51:56 AM »

What are the instructions on the bottle? Does it say to remove 20% of the water everyday? If not, then the medicine probably isn't working. Also if you have any activated carbon in your filter and haven't removed it, please do as that will also stop the treatment from working.

Have you tested the water quality? Or worked what caused the white spot in the first place? It's always good to work out what caused the problem on top of treating it.

Also 65L for four goldfish is much too small!!! They need 40L's each as they are extremely messy, need lots of oxygen and like to swim around alot. You have bubble eyes? Are they all bubble eyes? They are extremely sensitive/weak and best left for the experts of experts. I don't have much hope that they will survive unfortunately. They are so weak often that the treatment could actually be burning them, just creating a bigger problem.

Please look into getting a 160L tank or giving away three of your fish or will you just have problem after problem. I've been there so I understand. Also follow the instructions on the bottle of the white spot treatment, we can't tell you how to do it. Go talk to your local fish shop too they can often help Smiley
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Re: my goldfish have white spot, treating them but they are acting strange... help!
« Reply #2 on: November 04, 2010, 05:59:58 AM »

I would definitely suggest that you'd buy a bigger tank as soon as you can! Because the degree of overcrowding is most likely what caused their illness. Bubble eyes are really susceptible to infections of the liquid in those sacks under their eyes, and that's why they NEED pristine water quality!

Other than that, Andrea covered it Smiley Test the water as well, that's the only way to help a fish recover! Check the pH, ammonia, nitrite and nitrate level.
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Re: my goldfish have white spot, treating them but they are acting strange... help!
« Reply #3 on: November 04, 2010, 06:04:33 AM »

Hi Sarah, and welcome to the forum.

May I ask a few questions first?
1.Since when are you keeping goldfish?
2. Do you know about the nitrogen cycle?
3. What is your tank equiped with and how is it set up?
4. Did you test the water for Ammonia, Nitrite, Nitrate, pH ?
5. Did you let the tank cycle?
6. If you did, for how long?
7. How big are your fish?
8. Are they all Bubble-Eyes ?
9. Did you add all fish at once?
10. Did you follow the instructions on the bottle and were you 100% sure it was ick?

Other than that your tank is too small, far too small. You'll need at least 10 gal per fish, more would be better.
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Re: my goldfish have white spot, treating them but they are acting strange... help!
« Reply #4 on: November 04, 2010, 07:31:36 PM »

I was given the fish as two of them were in one of those glass bowls and i had then recently got a this tank. The tank has lights, filter etc and they have been in this tank for ages and have had no problems at all. They got the spots soon after i added some snails, could this carry it?? I will go talk to the pet shop, the bottle has very little on it apart from how much to put in, so was not much help at all. I haven't checked the water yet i will do that next. Two of the fish seem to be improving only one has still got lots of spots. I will continue the treatment and check the water. I now have another tank anyway so i may split them up however, why do u need so much? i mean most goldfish tanks are only those bowls
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« Reply #5 on: November 04, 2010, 09:27:56 PM »

Yes, snails can carry any disease and should be quarantined two weeks at least along with any plants or fish you want to add to your tank.
As far as why goldfish need more room, well, think of it like keeping your pet great dane in a small closet. Smiley
Would he live if you fed him, pet him once in awhile, and cleaned up his closet?  Yes, but would he be happy?  Have an enjoyable life?  Probably not.
Goldfish can grow as big as a foot.  Goldfish kept in a bowl are usually unhealthy and stunted and don't live as long.  A well kept goldfish can live 10 years or more. Kept in overcrowded condtions, In a too small tank, they are constantly battling, great flucuations in temperature, polluted water, (just breathing through their gills produces alot of ammonia, not just their excrement), limited space (crowding), and limited oxygen in their water.  An air pump does not put oxygen IN the water.  This is such a misconception!It only provides a better exchange of gasses at the top of a tank.


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« Reply #6 on: November 04, 2010, 10:17:51 PM »

Hi Sarah, yes I said " a few" questions and then I finished up with 10,  Wink Anyway, the more info, the better I can help.

I understand the confusion and unfortunately it still is in peoples mind this cute picture of goldfish kept in a bowl. Looks nice, but research and improved knowlege proves that it is wrong and inapropriate to keep goldfish in such conditions. I had to learn this in the past when I started with our two goldies... I learned very quick and I was open to knew understanding because I love our goldies and want to give them the best life and to be happy and healthy.
No doubt that you want the same for your fishies, otherwise we wouldn't have met on here,  Wink And you will experience it on every single aquatic forum that the members on there will NEVER keep a fish in a plain bowl, except Bettas which are Anabantoids ( this means they have an organ like a lung and can breath atmospheric air ) every single book about aquarium fish will tell you the same.

Mindemae, Andrea and Nossie already covered it.

Basically almost every illness comes from poor waterconditions. It is interesting to understand how everything is connected together: poor water conditions cause stress to the fish. Stress causes a weak immune system ( just like in humans, one can take only as much ) and a weak immune system leads to illness: most likely infections which can be bacterial, fungal or viral.

There is a good possibility that ick was carried by the snails and first infected your weakest fish, the strongest may not get it.
You also can treat natural by using Pimafix, Melafix and aquarium-salt according to instructions and raise the temp by 1-2 degrees. Those natural remedies won't kill the beneficial bacteria which are so important for the nitrogen cycle.

For now step one is to test the water for Ammonia, Nitrite, Nitrate and pH. If you cannot get the API MasterTestKit for freshwater you can take a sample to the pet shop, they should test it for free.
When you got the numerical results, can you please post them to us? Much appreciated Smiley

Give them as much space as posibble as soon as you can. They also need good aeration, filtration and live plants.
Perform regular waterchanges and add watercontitioner and beneficial bacteria to the water. Keep pH right. A pH between 7.0 and 7.2 keeps Ammonia less toxic ( due to the less ammount of H-ions )

Don't hesitate to post and ask, we are here to help and guide you into the right direction, help with our experience, product knowledge, etc.

So what other kind of fishies have you got towards the bubble eye? and what are their names? Smiley
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Re: my goldfish have white spot, treating them but they are acting strange... help!
« Reply #7 on: November 05, 2010, 01:29:10 AM »

Okay thank you. I don't actually know what the other goldfish are  Undecided they just look like normal goldfish and are yet to be named. I did have plants in the tank but are having a little trouble with them, recently i have been getting a black algae growing in the tank, its growing on the plants and is obviously not so good as then they can't photosynthesis. i have taken the plants out and replanted them in a separate tank while i am treating the fish as the medicine said it was bad for the plants. What is causing this growth? I am doing a water change every week with water conditioner. I was putting in plant food is this encouraging it? I will grab a kit tomorrow and test the water. What can i do to make my plants grow healthy

thanks for your help!
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« Reply #8 on: November 05, 2010, 01:33:49 AM »

Basically everything "nasty" comes from poor water quality.

I'd suggest get the test kit, test your water, post the numerical results and then we go from there  Wink
Can you post some pics of your darlings? We sure can help you there too to identify the species Smiley
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Re: my goldfish have white spot, treating them but they are acting strange... help!
« Reply #9 on: November 05, 2010, 01:36:32 AM »

I sure will, after my university exams are finished ill get on to it, and will have to think up names! Smiley
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« Reply #10 on: November 05, 2010, 04:01:47 AM »

The problem with the algae might be too high nitrates, which is completely understandable. You have too many fish in too small space, and the plants can't consume all the nitrogens that are produced Smiley You might also have the light on for too long during the day. Around 10-12 hours is usually recommended Smiley
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Re: my goldfish have white spot, treating them but they are acting strange... help!
« Reply #11 on: November 05, 2010, 05:55:25 AM »

I really hope you look into getting a new tank. Everything can't stay fine for long in a tank that small with so many goldfish Sad Goldfish are meant to live for years not months like some people believe.

You're doing a few things right so I hope you have the want to keep on going and giving those fish the best life possible!
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Re: my goldfish have white spot, treating them but they are acting strange... help!
« Reply #12 on: November 06, 2010, 03:43:52 AM »

of coarse i do hence the reason i am on this forum. Hana i went to the pet shop today, i told them what was happening and have gotten some anti fungal treatment and have added it to the tank which they said would be fine with the white spot treatment. I asked them about testing the water and they said that i can bring a sample in to them and they will do it for me so will do that tomorrow. I don't think they are going to last much longer though  Embarrassed they just keep looking worse
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« Reply #13 on: November 06, 2010, 04:43:58 AM »

Can't you post pics so we can see how they look like?

I would do a 50% waterchange, but WITH ADDING waterconditioner, beneficial bacteria and make sure the pH is right. This should be done ASAP. How big is your tank?
Then add the medication according to instructions.
What kind of treatment have you got?
Can you tell us the name please?

And what other chemicals do you have? Please list them.
You could have taken a water sample today though Sad
I'd like to help more but I need detailed information
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