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rachelg138
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my orandas have turned black!!!
« on: June 10, 2010, 12:14:34 PM »

hi everyone!
i have 2 orandas, one white, one red and they have both turned black overnight... their tails and fins have gone grey and they look like their bodies are covered in black slime. they were fine yesterday. i spoke to someone at maidenhead aquatics who said it could be ammonia in the water so changed 50% of the water..does anyone have any other ideas? will it kill them? they do seem a little lethargic (but then so would i if covered in slime) and the white one's tail has gone a bit raggedy. Please help - my 3 year old is very distressed.
Thanks x
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Katarine
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Re: my orandas have turned black!!!
« Reply #1 on: June 10, 2010, 12:18:28 PM »

Im gonna say ammonia burns. how long have youhad the fish? test regularily, add cycler,and do NO MORE than 15% water changes every second day or else you risk upsetting the ecological balance. Do you have a test kit? If not, please go out and get one. This will prove to be an invaluble tool to keeping your goldfish alive.

If you do have a test kit, test for ammonia, nitrates, nitrites.. the works. Im sticking with ammonia, because that just seems the most likely. If we can get readings on your water chemistry, thatd also be helpful.

If they turned black overnight, its not normal. Sad please please please test water.
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Katarine
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Re: my orandas have turned black!!!
« Reply #2 on: June 10, 2010, 12:18:52 PM »

also, how big is your tank?
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rachelg138
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Re: my orandas have turned black!!!
« Reply #3 on: June 10, 2010, 12:25:38 PM »

have had the fish about 2 years. don't have a test kit but will get one tomorrow! the tank is 38cmx24cmx27cm, and they have been in it since i got them.
Have washed all the gravel and the filter and removed the ornaments that are in there.
thanks so much x
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Re: my orandas have turned black!!!
« Reply #4 on: June 10, 2010, 01:42:11 PM »

alright... and Im guessing you do regular water changes, change filter media, etc etc too... hmm... had both fish for two years... can you remember doing anything diiferent in the past week? maybe buy a new ornament or change filter media recently?
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Re: my orandas have turned black!!!
« Reply #5 on: June 10, 2010, 01:42:33 PM »

when was the last time you did a water change?
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Re: my orandas have turned black!!!
« Reply #6 on: June 10, 2010, 02:27:50 PM »

Gosh, you never ever want to do a thorough cleaning like that!  Now you may want to add biological booster to your list of things to get.  I would put a water condtioner in the tank too since that will help to protect the natural slime coat of the fish.  ALSO, YOU HAVE 2 FISH IN A 5-7 GALLON TANK?  Goldfish need at least 10 gallons PER FISH!
Your fish have outgrown their tank and you will continue having problems if you don't get something bigger for them.  Also, the filtration you want running in a bigger tank would be double size for that tank.  So if you get a 20 gallon then plan on a 30-40 gallon filter at least!   And extra aeration is important too!  You will need an extra pump with air line and airstone connected to it.  Goldfish are extremely messy fish and they use alot of oxygen too.  You can add 1 TBS of salt to the aquarium per 5 gallons of water and also you may want to dose them with Melafix according to the bottles directions.  This will help heal  the burns on their skin.

Good luck!
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rachelg138
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Re: my orandas have turned black!!!
« Reply #7 on: June 10, 2010, 02:51:43 PM »

unfortunately i am not in the financial position to be able to upgrade my boys into a bigger tank at the moment - much as i would love to be able to Embarrassed I will be sending my dad out tomorrow to get a test kit, water conditioner and melafix - do you know if that is a US product (I am in the UK). I would like to say a really big thanks to everyone for your help and advice.... never realised i would get so upset about my fish, but they just look so wrong... what is the prognosis?
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Re: my orandas have turned black!!!
« Reply #8 on: June 10, 2010, 04:54:51 PM »

Not good if you continue to house them in such a small tank.  Wastes and ammonia will build up really quickly.  You will have to do water changes almost every other day to keep it down to livable levels.  Your fish will grow really big too.  Orandas can grow up to a foot long!  Look around at yard sales, resale shops, classified adds.  I got my 30 gallon with lots of extras and the stand too for $50.
I'm not sure if Melafix is available to you or not but you ask your petshop if they can order it or tryand purchase it online.  I know here in the states we can get it at walmart.
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Katarine
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Re: my orandas have turned black!!!
« Reply #9 on: June 10, 2010, 09:35:56 PM »

Kay kay kay... lesse.. small tank.. Yea,  I would do a 5-10% water change, every other day, keep that ammonia down. I wouldnt be too surprised if nitrates and nitrites were out of whack as well.

yea the most you can do at this point is hope for a cheap tank. Unfortunately Im not too experienced with ammonia burns (im actually surprised my fish is still alive.. but oh well, another story) so just do as Mindemae said and treat wiTH Melafix and salt... and test your water! that will give you a better idea of whats happening.

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Re: my orandas have turned black!!!
« Reply #10 on: June 11, 2010, 03:29:43 AM »

Most things have already been covered, but IF you would somehow find a tank that's suitable for these two fish, like a 20 gallon as minimum. (I'd still go with a 30 for Orandas) You should get it as soon as you can, but this time you should let it cycle in peace. Get the test kit, like planned and just change the water whenever the parameters will be bad, at the same time you should add bio filter booster to the cycling tank, and put some fish food there too to encourage the bacteria to work. You could try to introduce one of the Orandas once the ammonia levels are down in the new tank. Okay?

But really, if you won't find something bigger for them to live in, they will most probably get incredibly sick very fast as they will poison themselves. OR simply get stressed of the overcrowding. I have one more thing to ask you, have you seen any products by Sera in UK (German company)? Because then I would recommend a special medical salt they make that's called "Mycopur" and it's sold in a little cardboard box with a jar of salt inside. This salt is special in the way that it has certain additives that will oxygenate the water, and help the fish when they live in a crowded environment + it will kill off parasites and treat fungus. So look around for this! Bet there won't be any problem using with, or without Melafix. But you also mentioned that your fish has torn fins? Then Melafix would be wonderful to use, so if you could possibly find it, buy it!

I hope your fish will be alright (: Good luck!
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Re: my orandas have turned black!!!
« Reply #11 on: June 11, 2010, 06:33:11 AM »

Cannot add mora additional information, all was covered by Nossie, Kat, Mindemae.

I only can put emphasis on things like:
Test your water ASAP for ammonia, nitrite, nitrate.
Perform regular waterchanges 10-15% every 2nd day at least.
Get the bacteria booster, as you cleaned everything and with this cleaning the beneficial bacteria have been destroyed.
Feed less.
Provide best filtration and aeration.

I'll keep fingers crossed for your fishies, ALL THE BEST
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Re: my orandas have turned black!!!
« Reply #12 on: June 11, 2010, 05:14:21 PM »

If you do have to re-home your fish due to your financial situation, please donate them to a pet store or a pond and garden supply store, or even a school or doctor's office.  Perhaps even an animal shelter will take them.  Flushing them, as I know some do, is very painful for a fish and is like torture to them.  Releasing them into a wild pond is not good for fish who have lived in a tank.  Remember, even if you can't keep them, you can at least provide for them.  Fish are people too! Smiley
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Re: my orandas have turned black!!!
« Reply #13 on: June 11, 2010, 09:42:20 PM »

so very true. I hate hearing people flushing live fish. I flush dead fish. not living fish. Angry
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Re: my orandas have turned black!!!
« Reply #14 on: June 12, 2010, 05:01:27 AM »

Rachel, sometimes people tell at the petshop that they want to sell their tank ... for whatever reason ever ...  Maybe you can ask if they know somebody.

It happened to us, just talking to the girls there about our Hump and Hep and one of them mentioned that the lady in the food store next door wants to sell hers for only 100 bucks with everything.

Also have a look at ebay and in your local papers. You may be lucky too.

I'd be so glad to hear that your fishies recover
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Re: my orandas have turned black!!!
« Reply #15 on: June 13, 2010, 03:36:53 AM »

In a little aquarium shop around, they usually have some used tanks that they sell quite cheap Cheesy Once when I went there they had a 60 liter + pump/filters + backdrop + heater + hood and lamps... for 60! Cheesy
And last time I was there they had a 100 liter with shaped front (: Like a diamond or something, I didn't check the price on it but... Wink
So if you can't afford a new one for sure, look around in news papers and on the internet etc. I'm sure you'll find something!
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