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musicgal94
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My poor baby Cappy please help! i love her <3
« on: December 26, 2010, 01:08:40 PM »

1. How big is your tank:  10 Gal but we moved her to a smaller tank to get her away from the other fish.

2. For how long has the tank been set up: For 2 years now

3. How many fish: 7 goldfish

4. What kind of fish: Goldfish

5. What are the water parameters:  I might get yelled at but there normal I would guess? 

6. How often do you perform water changes: Once every 3 to 4 weeks

7. How big are your waterchanges:  100%

8. What kind of waterconditioner are you using: Aqua Safe

9. Do you add beneficial bacteria: No

10. Symptoms your fish is showing: She has a swallow abdomen and she swimming upside down. She also just lays at the bottom upside down. She can swim though and she does start swimming upright at first but then she goes upside down. This has been happening for 3 weeks now because at first we though she was pregnant.

11. Since when does your fish show these symptoms:   3 weeks 

12. How is the normal behaviour of your fish: All the fish love eating and act like bottom feeders but beside that they love swimming around.

13. How do the other fish behave: They act the same as her.

14. Post pics of the sick fish: It is attached

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Re: My poor baby Cappy please help! i love her <3
« Reply #1 on: December 26, 2010, 01:17:34 PM »

7 goldfish to 10 gallons? Way too small...it is 10 gallons per 1 GOLDFISH!!!
Get your water tested at the local fish pet center or buy a liquid test kit.
Post the results here.  Test both the small container your sick fish is in, and the 10 gallon for ammonia, nitrites, nitrates, and pH.
What kind of filter and aeration do you have on the tanks?
For now add 1 tsp of aquarium salt per gallon of water, dissolved in a cup of tank water to the sick fish.
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Re: My poor baby Cappy please help! i love her <3
« Reply #2 on: December 26, 2010, 01:25:49 PM »

OMG, she looks terrible.
All your fish are stressed and sick due to:

1. far too samll tank, 10 gal PER fish is minimum
2. Waterchanges should be performed EVERY week, about 50%
    You do 100% waterchanges every 3-4 weeks, your tank never gets cycled.
    In the meantime your fish swim in their own sewrage and poison themselves.
3. Guessing the water parameters are right? Certainly they are not.
   They never can be without using beneficial bacteria and performing 100% waterchanges every 3-4 weeks

What kind of filtration have you got?

And NO, nobody will yell at you, sure, we only point things out quite strictly

You need to do asap:
get yourself a 80 gal tank, proper filtration airstone.
Set it up asap.
Get STABILITY from Seachem, add it to the water as per instructions and every single day at least for one week. Add the waterconditioner as per instructions.

Get a test kit for your water: API MasterTestKit for Freshwater. Knowing about the waterchemistry is MOST IMPORTANT in the aquarists hobby

Your fish cannot get worse anymore I believe, so move them asap.
Get medicated food
Get Aquarium Salt and add it according to instructions

Get a pump and an airstone to aerate the water. This is very important anyway, but especially during treatment.

Don't treat your fish in this polluted water, please. This plus medication is highly toxic and leads to death
Get Pimafix and Melafix, but you may need sth stronger than that, like Multicure

You MUST act asap, otherwise I'm afraid your fish won't make it.

GOOD LUCK.

I hope Minde will be on soon and help too
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Re: My poor baby Cappy please help! i love her <3
« Reply #3 on: December 26, 2010, 01:34:52 PM »

I have a Whisper EX Filtration System EX70

and the reason for the small tank is that they are the very small 1 inch fish and they look very roomy and I didn't think I needed a big tank for the tiny fish also because this is the first sickness in 2 years of having this tank.

I also have a bubble rock in my tank.
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Re: My poor baby Cappy please help! i love her <3
« Reply #4 on: December 26, 2010, 01:37:25 PM »

also I cant get water tested today because it is snowing way to badly to get out
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Re: My poor baby Cappy please help! i love her <3
« Reply #5 on: December 26, 2010, 01:42:17 PM »

Well then there is nothing we can do until you can get your water tested. Sad
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Re: My poor baby Cappy please help! i love her <3
« Reply #6 on: December 26, 2010, 01:42:47 PM »

This doesn't sound good at all, hope your fishies will make it.
According to the size, EVERY Goldie needs 10 gal, so they can grow and develop, swim and play around.
But let's see how we can help the given situation.

Do you have the other things on hand? Not only the conditioner but also the beneficial bacteria and aquarium salt?
And do you have an airstone?

For now do 50% waterchanges daily and do like Mindemae said.

You really need to get the missing things asap. Snow or ice or blizzard or whatever if you love your fish and care for them.
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Re: My poor baby Cappy please help! i love her <3
« Reply #7 on: December 26, 2010, 01:45:33 PM »

i do have beneficial bacteria and aquarium salt on hand also the cappy is in a seperate tank but its a tiny beg. 4 gallon tank
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Re: My poor baby Cappy please help! i love her <3
« Reply #8 on: December 26, 2010, 01:50:42 PM »

I understand the other fish are the same like her?
If so, better put her back, do those 50% waterchanges and add beneficial bacteria, conditioner and salt, ASAp.
Do you have medicated food?

You also can feed frozen, thawed, unsalted, shelled peas mashed up, to get rid of the gas in their bellies.

What's the name of the beneficial bacteria?
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Re: My poor baby Cappy please help! i love her <3
« Reply #9 on: December 26, 2010, 05:57:50 PM »

hey i actually got out and test the water

Ammonia......... .51ppm
Nitrite.............. .79ppm
Nitrate............. 150ppm
pH..........................7.1
Temp...............degrees Celsius / Fahrenheit
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Re: My poor baby Cappy please help! i love her <3
« Reply #10 on: December 26, 2010, 06:16:13 PM »

Thank you for posting and doing it for your fishies.

I hope you are prepared...
The Water is pure poison for your fish... wondering that they survived it for 2 years  Cry

Ammonia is highly toxic, its readings should be 0ppm
Nitrite is very toxic, its reading should be 0ppm
Nitrate is toxic in high concentrations, its reading shouldn't be more than 40ppm, but ideally 10-20ppm

With those readings do a 80% waterchange asap, tomorrow 50% again.
Test the water every single day.

ADD THOSE BENEFICIAL BACTERIA ASAP and the waterconditioner in your fresh water. You MUST do sth NOW, otherwise your darling fishies won't survive.

What kind of beneficial bacteia have you got?
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Re: My poor baby Cappy please help! i love her <3
« Reply #11 on: December 26, 2010, 09:31:20 PM »

Is the results for the 10 gallon tank or the hospital tank this fish is in? Did you get both tested? If so what is the result for the other one? They are terrible results, I literally dropped my jaw when I saw it. But it's not your fault, unfortunately pet shops just don't seem to like to tell people how too look after fish. That is why one must always do their research before getting any pets Smiley

You will have to do the water changes like Hanna said but really you are going to have to get rid of your fish or upgrade to at least a 70 gallon tank. You can find very cheap second hand ones on craiglist, ebay, charity stores, etc.

You may have never had a disease before but the bad conditions have built up now and your fish are probably extremely weak. Surviving isn't thriving remember  Wink They also grow very quickly and if they haven't grown in two years or barely have grown well that is another problem.

What did the people at the place you got the water testedt say?
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Re: My poor baby Cappy please help! i love her <3
« Reply #12 on: December 26, 2010, 10:54:58 PM »

Your filter is huge (awesome!) for a 10 gallon which may have kept your fish alive this long in such a tiny tank. I bought the same one before upgrading to external one. Please do as suggested above and keep testing every day. A serious decision must be made as to getting a suitable sized aquarium or you will sadly lose your fish friends. I had ONE 2 yr. old goldfish in my 10 gallon and it was impossible to maintain a stable environment - impossible! That is how I ended up seeking out the advice of the experienced members of this forum. They offered fantastic support and ultimately saved my sweet goldfish. You've come to a great place Smiley I wish you the very best in helping your goldies. Stay on top of this don't skip a day in changing water and adding that beneficial bacteria. I hope you have your own testing kit.
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Re: My poor baby Cappy please help! i love her <3
« Reply #13 on: December 27, 2010, 12:03:23 AM »

Well after I read the comments I though maybe I read something wrong because I did a at home kit and thankfully I did ammonia and nitrite are at 0 yay (:!!! And my nitrate is at a  15 ppm and I did do ph right because I looked and 7.1.   Fml for being a classic blonde....haha anyway any ideas what's wrong with her looking like she going to explode?
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Re: My poor baby Cappy please help! i love her <3
« Reply #14 on: December 27, 2010, 12:28:24 AM »

It looks like dropsy to me. Nossie's fish Claymore also had dropsy, unfortunately he didn't make it Sad But you can look on this thread to see how she tried to treat it. I have no experience with it and I'm not even 100% sure that is what it is.

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So those are the results for the hospital tank? Or the 10 gallon? Please answer my questions. You may actually get very lucky and be able to save Cappy, but it won't last long with a tank like that.
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Re: My poor baby Cappy please help! i love her <3
« Reply #15 on: December 27, 2010, 12:29:15 AM »

The bottom line is you need a bigger tank or this will continue to be an issue. Your sweet fish looks like this because she and her tankmates have been swimming in potentially deadly water conditions.  It doesn't matter that they are small in size, each one of them produces massive amounts of waste not visible to our eyes. There is NO way you will be able to maintain a healthy environment. Having such a lovely large power filter you are already set to add it to a larger aquarium. Get one as soon as you can.
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« Reply #16 on: December 27, 2010, 12:30:08 AM »

There is also a post about dropsy beloew this one. Definitely agree with what April said!
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Re: My poor baby Cappy please help! i love her <3
« Reply #17 on: December 27, 2010, 12:44:28 AM »

That water condition is pretty much the same in both the ph is a little different in the one with all the fish with a 7.2 so nothing that big of a change
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« Reply #18 on: December 27, 2010, 12:45:44 AM »

And what I'm getting froeberyone is that my fish is big going to explode because it just the tank and once it is bigger she'll go back to normal? I don't think it's that easy.
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« Reply #19 on: December 27, 2010, 12:57:38 AM »

No, that is why I gave you the links on dropsy. It's very serious and needs treatment asap aswell as perfect water conditions. We're just saying your fish are going to continue to get sick unless you get a bigger tank. You have to treat cappy too!
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Re: My poor baby Cappy please help! i love her <3
« Reply #20 on: December 27, 2010, 01:04:32 AM »

Also I did feed cappy some mashed up peas but he did not even touch them Sad
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Re: My poor baby Cappy please help! i love her <3
« Reply #21 on: December 27, 2010, 01:07:30 AM »

This does not sound good, though I imagine it is pretty hard to eat by the looks of him in that photo. How long has he not been eating for?
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Re: My poor baby Cappy please help! i love her <3
« Reply #22 on: December 27, 2010, 01:09:09 AM »

By the fish don't become pregnant, they lay eggs  Wink Try to never ever leave a disease/illness for this long, there is not much hope for succusful treatment after 3 weeks. You need to catch it in the first few days.
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Re: My poor baby Cappy please help! i love her <3
« Reply #23 on: December 27, 2010, 01:38:06 AM »

He will eat the regular flakes but not the peas
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Re: My poor baby Cappy please help! i love her <3
« Reply #24 on: December 27, 2010, 03:28:43 AM »

Ok, now that we know the results of your water testing, we can much easier and safely suggest treatment for your poor fish.
The outcome may not be good but you could at least try.
Dropsy is actully the symptom of a number of internal bacterial infections, as the stomach swells and the scales may start to protrude. (why itis referred to quite often as "pine cone" disease).
Usually if not treated right away the fish only will live for a bout a week with this condtion.
Keep your fish in the smaller tank away from the other fish.
You need to go back to the store and buy antibiotic food.  Petsmart carries a medicated food by Jungle.
Since the infection is internal, your fish must be fed medicine internally.
Feed only the medicated food to your fish exclusively for 7-10 days but you may continue for 2 weeks if you want to.
You may want to treat the water with something that has nitrofurazone and furizolidone in it, as furanace is one of the few antibiotics that can be absorbed through the skin.
Once a fish has dropsy it is more prone to having it again, as drospy can infect the kidneys.
You need to put the flakes aside and start feeding a small pelleted food to your fish.  Flakes are highly constipating.
Also, with such a small tank, you will need to keep an eye on the water condtion and do probably more than weekly water changes.
bottom line, you need a bigger tank if you want to avoid more health issues with your fish in the future.
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Re: My poor baby Cappy please help! i love her <3
« Reply #25 on: December 27, 2010, 06:19:41 AM »

There you go, Mindemae covered it perfectly. Now you just need to act on her advice Smiley Good luck.
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Re: My poor baby Cappy please help! i love her <3
« Reply #26 on: December 27, 2010, 06:24:37 AM »

The thing about a big tank, is that it won't make your fish miraculously healthy right away, but it WILL make it easier for you to keep your fish healthy in the future Smiley Larger tank = More water = Safer water conditions and weaker concentrations of waste.

Although, I don't think you should go for a 70 gallon NOW since you don't seem to have much experience nor interest in keeping fish for serious. If I were you, I'd try to give away most of these little fish of yours, and keep 2-4 of them in a 20 or 50 gallon tank Smiley
Even if larger tanks need less maintenance, it's somehow easier to perform maintenance on a smaller system. So unless you are serious about your fish-keeping, don't jump into some HUGE tank now just because some people on internet are telling you so.

About the treatment, please follow Minde's directions, and do it quick! Your fish has been sick for very long already, so the sooner you start treating, the higher her chances to live. Good luck! Smiley
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Re: My poor baby Cappy please help! i love her <3
« Reply #27 on: December 27, 2010, 06:32:45 AM »

Just noticed your answer to question 13. So all your fish are acting the same as cappy?? They will all have to be treated then!

Nossie: I sort of forget how big tanks are and just like to remind people it is 10 gallons per goldfish, but yes 70 gallons would be huge and I wouldn't fancy having a tank that big at this point in my life. So yes if the fish survive and get better, I also agree you should give them away. But then again we don't know how serious this person is and they may be willing to look after a 70 gallon tank and learn alot more in order to keep the fish that survive.
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Re: My poor baby Cappy please help! i love her <3
« Reply #28 on: December 27, 2010, 06:43:54 AM »

I think it would be a great idea to add some salt to the main tank and feeding them some anti-bacterial medicated food once the water parameters stabilize Smiley Salt is easy to treat with since you can just dose the new water you add during water changes without weakening the solution Smiley

Andrea: Of course! That's just how it is, but I rather got stressed for the 80 gallon idea that someone here was sporting! Really, 80 gallons is HUGE, if it wasn't for the fact that I'm addicted to fish-keeping and that I love my babies, I would never get a tank this big! It's pretty painful to change the water using hoses and buckets Tongue So something between 20-50 gallons, would be the ideal beginner tank if you ask me Smiley Very manageable and a good size for most hardy fish! Smiley

EDIT: I'd also like to add, that when it comes to an 80 gallon, there is no such thing as "Set it up ASAP!" because most people aren't running around with that kind of money! My 80 gallon was about 400-500€ before it was all setup and ready!! In other words, a person that keeps 7 goldies in a 10 gallon is most certainly not ready to spend this kind of money tomorrow. Filtration is more expensive the larger the filters you need, lights are very expensive as well the longer the bulbs need to be... etc.
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Re: My poor baby Cappy please help! i love her <3
« Reply #29 on: December 27, 2010, 06:46:32 AM »

musicgal94, I do apologise if it seems like I'm being rude/offensive. I don't mean to question the legitimacy of your results, but to me it looks like you're lying. To me, it seems like you got the initial results from the pet store, and they have no reason to lie about the results. You then perform a water parameter check using your own in home kit which miraculously comes up with a flawless result, with the nitrates being split right between 10 and 20 ppm. I would really encourage you, if you fabricated, to be completely honest with the results. I'm sure no one here is going to bite your head off if you be completely honest. Once again, I apologise if I'm wrong, and I'm not having a go at you.
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