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b8bidoll
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oliver'z update
« on: January 04, 2013, 01:00:00 AM »

hiya everyone, its been some time since my first post, there has been some development, by still don't know what it is, or what cozed it at first place. well, he is doing well, he is happy, eating well, he even loves being stroked with earbud on the white patch, little sod. I have been using myxazin on and of, in past i medicated water, bt this time I use earbuds, apply on white patch, becoze he has fungal infection there. right now its cleared up really good and he is growing skin and scales back slowly, which I never expected. bt there's little spot from which a white stuff is growing, other day little bit came off  around it looked reddish, its happened before, he just goes under current, I think, it might be maybe itching, to ease it of. I wonder, if anyone has got idea, what could it be please??? 
ps: he's in 15gallon, i change 4gallons 2-3times a week, hoping for bigger tank soon and aswell he's gt little comet friend Atlantis.
thank you.
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Skwishee
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Re: oliver'z update
« Reply #1 on: January 04, 2013, 03:03:41 PM »

I am glad to hear a bigger tank is in the near future! Getting one as soon as possible would be best as your tank is massively overstocked with two goldfish in there. I'm a little worried about the others health, if you introduced it into a system with a fish that was already ill, is the other one okay? How long have you had him, if the other one is over a year old? (In the future if you have an ill fish, do not add new live stock Wink )

You will need quite a large tank though if the fish are both single tails. I have one single tailed goldfish in a 23 gallon tank and she will need upgrading to a pond later. So for two you'd need at least 50 gallons or so... but keep in mind as your fish grow, you will later have to either get a very big tank (at least 6 or 7 foot in length), build a pond or re home them to someone already with a pond.

Hmmm, I'm not entirely sure about the red patch, does the goldfish rub it against objects at all? It could be part of the healing process? But having never seen a fish go through an illness, I can't say... hopefully one of the others will know Smiley I'll go prod them to come by Wink

Also, I would consider upping your water changes a little, 50% or 80% weekly would be best, so if you could change around 8-10 gallons, that should help Smiley Generally change as much as you can, as long as the fish have enough water to be comfortable in, they'll be fine.
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fantailer
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Re: oliver'z update
« Reply #2 on: January 07, 2013, 05:26:13 AM »

I  have one idea about it.
It could have been parasitic worm under the fishes skin, but it should be gone know since your fish is getting better, so I wouldn't worry.
But then Im am really not sure what it could be. Huh
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Re: oliver'z update
« Reply #3 on: January 07, 2013, 11:16:11 PM »

hiya, the other fishi is OK, healthy, she' been there  about 3mnths, so, it cnt  be catchable.
it seemed getting better, but its back. finally he's let me take pictures, so you can see it,
my friend said it could be kinda weeping, what do you think? I got of with earbud in morning and later on
in evening I had to do it again, he loves wen I do it, he relaxes so much he's on bottom laid on
side, n before he's been going under current, n sometimes there's white seethru stuff(spores)?
well, last night I cleaned tank, changed sponges and carbon filters and water. maybe it help.
well I will keep you posted, x
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Re: oliver'z update
« Reply #4 on: January 08, 2013, 08:11:34 AM »

When you say you changed the filter sponges.... did you change them all? Filter sponges are where the beneficial bacteria grow to deal with a fishes waste, if you remove all the sponges and replace them, you lose all that bacteria, so nothing is there to deal with the waste and it's entirely possible that you will now get ammonia and nitrite spikes in the tank.

For future reference you should only ever change half of one sponge at a time and they don't need changing all that often. I've had the same sponges in one of my internal filters for well over a year and they are still perfectly fine.

But don't worry! Just get your water tested as soon as you can, it might be easier to buy a liquid test kit (they last longer than strips), because you will need to test the water once every 2 days, if the ammonia or nitrite spike, it will make this situation worse, so you want to be on top of what's going on. If ammonia or nitrite appears, change at least 50% of the tanks water every day until the level reaches 0ppm.

I'm really not sure what the bump on the fish is, could it be a tumour?
If it had of been worms, I'm pretty sure you would have seen the worms on the fish itself...

Any more luck with finding a bigger tank? Smiley
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Re: oliver'z update
« Reply #5 on: January 10, 2013, 03:21:28 PM »

yes I changed all filters.
could it b some kind skin condition?  it looks little bit
better,  tomorrow finally I'll buy testers strips, so I will find
water parameters, till then I'm keeping close eye for any changes.
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Re: oliver'z update
« Reply #6 on: January 11, 2013, 06:28:11 AM »

I would recommend buying a liquid test kit over strips, purely because a liquid test kit will last longer, but strips will do for now if you've already got them Smiley

I've never heard of any fish having a skin condition... The black on top of the fish, normally black indicates a burn (caused by ammonia or nitrite) that's now healing, looking around online, it's possible that the bump is in fact an ulcer OR it could be flex related.

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It is not unusual to see fuzz growing on fish, and when we do, it is clear that the fish in most cases is ill. This fuzz is sometimes described as cotton wool and some people refers to fuzz as cotton wool disease. Others call all fuzz fungus. But only rarely is the fuzz or cotton growth that we can observe caused by fungi; in most cases it is caused by a bacterium.


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White fuzz on fins and body is most likely a bacterial illness, often called flex, columnaris, or cotton wool disease that is caused by a bacteria--Flavobacterium columnare (formerly called Flexibacter columnare). Columnaris can be a very quick killer, especially when it infects the gills. Flex often looks fuzzy--like cotton wool--but not always. Sometimes there may be redness and ulcers/sores. Redness in the mouth area is sometimes flex. Flex may also be seen as greyness or yellowness to the slime coat of fish. Another symptom is a saddle back lesion where the fish turns gray in the upper part of its body. It is important to isolate the fish in a hospital tank to reduce the risk of the disease spreading to other fish. Some strains of columnaris can be hard to treat. If the fish is salt tolerant, add 1 tsp of salt per gallon of water. Adding salt to your main tank will help prevent infection because it keeps flex from being able to stick to the fish. The fish will need antibiotics. Several antibiotics may be effective against columnaris - erythromycin and oxytetracycline are traditionally thought to have really good effects. Other options are sulfa drugs, nitrofuran antibiotics, and potassium permanganate.
Treatment Options
If the fish is still eating, choose one of the following options:
Feed Jungle Antibiotic Food (can be combined with Jungle Fungus Clear bath treatment) or
Feed Medi-Gold or Romet B (can be combined with kanamycin bath) or
Feed Metro Med
If the fish is not eating or eating poorly, choose one of the following options:
Add Maracyn I combined with Maracyn II to the water or
Add Jungle Fungus clear to the water or
Add kanamycin or kanamycin sulfate to the water
If you are an advanced fish-keeper, you may consider using potassium permanganate (PP) at the start of a treatment regimen to help knock down the bacterial load on the fish. Please consult with us on the Help! My fish is Sick! Forum or published texts for guidence on using potassium permangante. Because PP is an oxidizer, it can cause gill damage.


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White fuzz on fins and body is most likely a bacterial illness, flex/columnaris caused by a bacteria Flavobacterium columnare (previously called Flexibacter columnare). Flex/columnaris can be a very quick killer. Fuzz is not always how flex manifests itself. Sometimes there may be redness and deteriorations or sores. Redness in the mouth area is sometimes flex. Flex may also be seen as greyness or yellowness to the slime coat of fish. It is important to isolate the fish in a hospital tank to eliminate spreading. If the fish is salt tolerant, add 1 tsp of salt per gallon of water in the hospital tank and to your main tank as well (to help prevent infection and spreading). Flex is an opportunistic infection, and mild cases will clear up with super clean water and a little salt. In advanced cases, the fish will need antibiotics. Since flex is mostly an external infection, bath antibiotics may be effective such as Maracyn Plus (sulfadimidine and trimethoprim), Jungle Fungus Clear (nitrofurazone, furazolidone, potassium dichromate), and kanamycin. Potassium permanganate is a very effective flex treatment, but it must be used with caution as it is a strong oxidizer and could put a very sick fish "over the edge." Some strains of flex can be hard to treat.



This is about Ulcers;

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Red sores are best diagnosed by knowing the fish's history. If the fish has suffered trauma the red sores are actual wounds, but if the sores slowly appear they are likely caused by bacteria and are developing ulcers. Redness in the mouth area is probably flex.


The sentence I've under lined, is I believe probably more likely to be the case, as you haven't mentioned the fish being previously injured by anything. This is what it recommends for treatment-

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Red sores on the body are often signs of a bacterial infection and ulcers. The bacteria that causes these sores is often Aeromonas hydrophila. This type of infection is often secondary to fluke infestation, so we recommend treating for flukes as well as addressing the sores directly. It is important to isolate the fish in a hospital tank. You can treat topically as explained here and combine this treatment with feeding of medicated food. Medi-Gold and MediKoi are the best choices for treating this kind of infection. If there is a white center developing, it is clearly infected and may be ulcerating. The fish may need to be injected with an antibiotic, or if that is not possible treated in a bath of Tricide Neo (sometimes sold as Neocide 3).This is a serious illness, but treatable, so please post in our forum so we can help you more specifically.


Have a read through the above and see what you think, there is plenty of more information on the site, so do take a look.

The forum linked to that site can be found here, seeing as not many members are around here at the moment, it might be worth popping over for more advice- (Link is not visible to guests. Please register to view.)

Explain that you've been here and tell them you know the fish needs a bigger tank Wink But there is a chance there are members there who have had experience treating something like this and can give advice, which will be more helpful than just me googling things! Smiley
If you do join and make a post, let me know and I'll drop by as well (I have an account there). Smiley
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Re: oliver'z update
« Reply #7 on: January 11, 2013, 11:31:58 PM »

thank you,   Smiley
I just thought, if i upload pics from beginning, it started when he was about 6mnths old,  Embarrassed
i really don't want to loose him, he's real sweety. i appreciate your help, thank you.
now it's one "spot" n that white stuff, it looks like, it "needs"to come out. i still use myxazin,
dab just the spot
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Re: oliver'z update
« Reply #8 on: January 12, 2013, 01:25:18 PM »

Oh wow, that really doesn't look good at all, please consider posting in the other forum, they will be able to help you, I simply do not know what to suggest, this is out of my knowledge zone.

I would really suggest going to one of these two other forums, that I use, if no ones around here, I have given you direct links to the sick fish area of both;
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If the fish has been this ill for so long, I'm not sure what to do. But pop along to one of the above and give them as much detail as you can i.e. tank size/inhabitants/filtration(mention about the changing the sponges, keeping an eye on the water etc)/medication you've been giving up until now, include the photos, mention you are currently in the process of getting a bigger tank and let me know which one you've posted in and I will be there just in case Wink

I really feel that fish will need something stronger than myaxin if its been like this for 6 months, but I'm really not sure what to advise having no experience in this area.... How is the water quality doing?
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Re: oliver'z update
« Reply #9 on: January 12, 2013, 02:24:14 PM »

its been from the lump on his "shoulder's"  to this, I checked water about 5times, since yesterday, ammonia is 0.5, ph6.4, KH 50, GH 250, nitrate 25, nitrite 0.5.
i just moved the other one back to her mates(other tank), so Oliver is on his own. now
looking back he tolerated her, but asap as she was gone, he swam around, like little
shark.  Grin
I tried the first site you suggested, but it wouldn't let me create account, took me to Koviet.
I'll try again, this time both. I'll let you know  Wink 
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Re: oliver'z update
« Reply #10 on: January 12, 2013, 06:40:22 PM »

It's probably because the tank is rather small, so with both of them in there they wouldn't have much space, but for now they'll be best separated until you can get Oliver all better. Keep an eye on the other fish and water quality though.
It will be easier once you have a bigger tank as the water quality is more stable then Wink

Hmm thought the water quality might do that, daily water changes until the ammonia/nitrite are back to 0ppm, it may take a while, but just keep at it. I had a nitrite spike once and it took about a week to get it down Smiley

Hopefully the guys on the other forums will have some good suggestions to help Oliver Smiley
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Re: oliver'z update
« Reply #11 on: January 15, 2013, 06:07:40 PM »

Ah I see you've joined one of the forums, will keep my eye out for your post Wink
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Re: oliver'z update
« Reply #12 on: January 16, 2013, 08:30:52 AM »

Look a little like "Cotton-wool" disease(Link is not visible to guests. Please register to view.)
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