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My Ryukin 'had' 2 tiny holes in it's tail - thank you for all your help :)
« on: September 28, 2010, 02:47:04 PM »

Hi I just joined this community as I recently acquired a beautiful Ryukin goldfish. He is very active and otherwise healthy. I feed him a combo of flakes I sink in water and frozen organic peas and he is thriving. However, yesterday I discovered 2 tiny holes on his lovely tail. Today they have developed into what look like a small tear. I am new at this and would so appreciate any advice from you on how to deal with this issue. I've changed the water almost 50% 24 hrs ago and Brita filtered and treated it with Tetra Aqua Easy Balance before adding it back into the tank. The filter was rinsed and he seems quite happy today. Thanks for any replies Smiley
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Re: My Ryukin has 2 tiny holes in it's tail - any info greatly appreciated.
« Reply #1 on: September 28, 2010, 03:58:15 PM »

How is your water chemistry?
Did you test for Ammonia, Nitrite, Nitrate, pH?
This is always the first thing to do if there is sth which isn't normal with the fishes.

Apart from that, treat asap with Melafix/Pimafix according to bottle instructions.

(Never seen a tear starting "in the middle" of a fin, sorry...)
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« Reply #2 on: September 28, 2010, 04:59:36 PM »

I tested the ammonia and it is between 0.0 and 0.25 on the colour chart.  I do not have a kit to test pH and Nitrate/Nitrites yet but will be getting one tomorrow. Oh regarding tank size and my approx. 2 year old Ryukin, at the moment he is in a 15 gallon - should it be larger? and should he have a companion in the tank with him? Thanks for your response Smiley
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« Reply #3 on: September 29, 2010, 03:45:18 AM »

It seems that you're still cycling the system! For how long has your tank been up? Smiley
Best thing to do, is to buy yourself a so-called "bio-filter booster" they come in many names by many brands! I would definitely recommend "fluid bio filter media" by Easy Life Smiley It treats small wounds and tears in the fins as well as it helps the immune system and protective slime coat of the fish! Smiley Other than that, you should also buy a test kit for pH, nitrite and nitrate still Smiley And test daily until the ammonia goes away, then test nitrite and finally, when that disappears, test the nitrates weekly. Do 50% water changes whenever ammonia or nitrite reach harmful levels.

I don't think you actually need to add any medication, since it's just a small tear, and goldfish heal them very nicely themselves Smiley

If you want to keep two goldfish, you need a 20-30 gallon tank. But it's okay if you upgrade sometime soon from the 15 gallon, while they're small, they'll be fine if you only provide them with good filtration, food and fresh water every week Smiley
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« Reply #4 on: September 29, 2010, 10:29:22 PM »

This tank has been up about 3 months and it was taken apart and cleaned about 5 weeks ago. During that cleaning, I retained over half the original water and filtered the rest thru a brita filter. I tested the brita water and it is has 0 ammonia while regular tap water has 0.5. At that time I only rinsed the old filter and put it back in the machine as I was told not to change everything all at once. I will go back to the pet store and look for one of these bio-boosters you recommended. I am also just getting the hang of what cycling the tank means. I didn't realize how important this was as I'm sure many newbies might face this issue when starting out.  Thank you for your advise and will post again once everything is correctly set up. Meanwhile Mr. Tailer is fairing very well even with his little tail tear.
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« Reply #5 on: September 30, 2010, 02:39:09 AM »

It's very common not knowing about the cycle! I was one of them Smiley Not until my third tank did I start actually checking on it xD Everything worked fine though d: But many people experience problems as their fish get sick due to ammonia or other toxins |:

Btw, you shouldn't clean out the whole system! Ever, just do a large water change when that's necessary, about 50% every week is fine, and whenever you happen to get high nitrates or something on your test results, you can change maybe 75% or more Smiley When needed, I sometimes removed water until the fish barely had space to swim, but like I said, only in severe cases, and then I had a bucket of fresh water ready to pour in right after (before cleaning the filters, tank walls etc.) so they wouldn't get stressed out Smiley
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« Reply #6 on: September 30, 2010, 03:51:14 AM »

As Nossie said, never clean out the whole system, this destroys the ecosystem and your tank never finishes cycling, it always starts over and over again.
The beneficial bacteria mainly settle in the filter media and gravel, but not that much in the water. So if you thoroughly cleaned those you destroyed the beneficial bacteria.

And as Nossie said too, we all have been there not knowing about the cycle. I was fortunate that I watched my fishes every single day, got information of the net and I learned very quick what's right and what's wrong.
It is very important to know your fishes, like a parent knows his/her children. You will recognize every single abnormality very quick and you can act in early stages before it develops to a bigger problem. You will also learn not to overreact.

Also in time to come you'll need a bigger tank and this will happen sooner as you think Wink
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« Reply #7 on: September 30, 2010, 06:55:45 PM »

Thanks so much Nossie and Hanna Cheesy

I just started refilling my tank after cleaning it but didn't touch the filter and kept more than 50% of the original water. I bought a Nitrate, Nitrite, Ph and Ammonia kit and so far the Ph = 7.0 Nitrate = approx. 7.0 Nitrite = 0.1 Ammonia = 0.25 I also added 5mL of pimafix and melafix which made the tank a little foamy but it's clearing. Mr. Tailer is eating and interacting as normal (I ♥ my little finned friend). What kind of fish do you have?
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Re: My Ryukin has 2 tiny holes in it's tail - any info greatly appreciated.
« Reply #8 on: September 30, 2010, 07:39:59 PM »

That sounds great Mr. Taller. It's really nice to see someone acting on advice so they can give their fish the best life possible, so I thank you Smiley

Ammonia should be zero but it may actually be zero because if you are using the api water test well I find it difficult to tell the difference between 0 and 0.25ppm. Oh and nitrites should definitely be zero so yes I believe your tank is still cycling. Keep up with the water changes, that is very important at this point and keep any eye on the water. Don't feed him too much until the tank is cycled either, maybe every second day. The cycle should nearly be done if you are seeing nitrates so keep at it.

Gorgeous fish by the way Cheesy
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« Reply #9 on: October 01, 2010, 03:15:59 AM »

Yep Mr.Tailer, this sounds excellent, and thank you for taking the advice we gave to you.
You are doing extra well, as Andrea said keep up with waterchanges untill Ammonia and Nitrite show 0ppm and Nitrates shouldnt be over 40. Also plants will help to keep Nitrates down, ideally under 20ppm.

Your fishes are beautiful.

1st tank:5 comets: Humphrey, Hepsiba, Skippy, Matilda, Sunshine.
2nd tank: 1 Siamese fighter: Barbarossa, 1 YoYo loach: Yoyo, 1 Bristlenose: Kate, 10 Neon Tetras ( they do have names too, lol )
3rd tank: 7 Platies: Bluey, Pepper, Baby, Bill, Mickey, Teddy, Blacky. Teddy and Blacky are females ( by accident  Grin bought them all out of the male tank, haha ) and Blacky had babies, so there are about 12 platies babies swimming around. A bunch of Guppies: Rudi, Carbo, Azzurro, Tony, Greg, Len, Tim, Tony, Phil, ... need a few more names... Cheesy , 2 Corydora Sterbai : Cory and Dora, 2 Bristlenoses: Jane and Jill
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« Reply #10 on: October 01, 2010, 01:56:50 PM »

Mr. Tailer: Your water quality is completely reasonable, since you cleaned out the tank (even if you saved pretty much of the water) most of the beneficial bacteria might have been removed, in other words, not enough to transform ALL the waste into nitrates just yet Smiley But, no matter! As long as your fish is doing fine, I'm really happy for you Smiley

We've all posted some photos of our fish in the "photos and videos" section of the forum! Feel free to look Smiley
Anyway, I've got an 83 gallon setup with four fantails, two calico, one white and one red + two orandas, a chocolate one and a red/white one, a rusty red/brown pompom and two black moors Smiley
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« Reply #11 on: October 03, 2010, 02:50:35 PM »

Thank you Nossie, Hanna and Andrea! I am so pleased to have had your support and advice Smiley Wow you have a wide selection of fish too - how nice! Love all their names Smiley I will check out your photos and videos today.

I've tested the water everyday for pH Nitrites Nitrates and Ammonia and everything seems to be going smoothly. I am concerned that the Nitrates level is sitting at 50mg/L after multiple water changes. I have used some Easy Balance in there as it says it helps reduce Nitrates but I feel nervous about adding any form of treatment to Mr. Tailer's tank. Fabulous news, it appears his tail fin has begun to repair itself from that small tear. The tissue seems to be growing back together YAY!!! I am heading back to the pet store and I think I will buy my beloved fish some real plants. The girl at the store said I shouldn't because he may eat them but reading your comments I feel confident to get some for his lovely little tank (15 gallon) He sure does like to look at himself in the mirror when I'm hiding out of site LOL maybe he would like a companion in there with him.  Peace my fish loving friends ♥
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« Reply #12 on: October 03, 2010, 04:01:11 PM »

THANK YOU MR.TAILER  Wink this is so beautiful, it made my day already ( 6:30 am here, lol ).

Just explain to this girl, that fish need to nibble at some plants, it is like a salad snack and imortant for their digestion to. For the "salad-plant" I recommend Hornworth or Ambulia. ( I use to say when ours are around that plant: "They are dining at AMBULIA's" restaurant... Grin ) Other plants they won't eat are those ones with harder and leathery leaves like Dwarf Anubias, Vallisneria, Amazon Sword PlantJava Fern, Elodea, They only thing is they tend to dig them out of the gravel. So we bought those heavy spoon-lead-sinkers from the fishing store and I attached them with a rubber band and put them underneath the gravel  Grin

The following link may give you some idea what you can put in:
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Hope this helps a little bit Wink And your fishie will be happy too  Cheesy
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« Reply #13 on: October 03, 2010, 06:43:24 PM »

Hi Mr.Tailer, the only thing is, I advise against a 2nd fish because of the tank size.
It is recommended min 10 gal per fish, so with your little guy it is perfectly stocked.
Except you plan in the future to have a bigger Aquarium and more fishies, you can keep the 15 gallon as a hospital tank.  Wink
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« Reply #14 on: October 04, 2010, 03:21:20 AM »

Aww! What a lovely picture! :'D Your fish is adorable Smiley

Just like Hanna said already, there are plants more suitable than others Smiley So look for plants with big, thick leaves! And I would go for some smaller things as well, so avoid the biggest Anubias in this tank, that will make it look more spacious Smiley The Dwarf Anubias are lovely, and they rather spread out to the sides to grow into a little carpet on the bottom! Very attractive Cheesy
You don't really need to worry about the fish digging out the anubias or Java Fern for now since both have very strong root systems, and your fish still looks pretty small Wink If you want to, you can always place some pretty pebbles around the roots to make sure he won't be digging around there Smiley

And finally, I would replace the "live plant snack" with lettuce, vegetables or dried seaweed (dried seaweed is awesome! My fish go nuts over it!!), just because of economical reasons! You'd end up replacing the "salad bar" pretty often as the fish grows, which may end up quite expensive. (Unless you have a bowl of some kind available to grow the plants yourself).
I've got some green algae growing on my driftwood and back glass in the tank, the fish do appreciate that too as their source of veggies Smiley
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« Reply #15 on: October 04, 2010, 03:49:03 AM »

... and those super veggie algae pellets are great, they love it, I must admit that they leave the Elodea alone since I've been feeding them those veggie lollies, lol  Grin
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« Reply #16 on: October 04, 2010, 04:52:47 AM »

Aw that is very sweet and you are very welcome Mr.Tailer. You could also test your actual tap water or whatever water you are using to see if there is a high percentage of nitrates in your water, I have heard of this and some water conditioners get rid of nitrates and ammonia. I'm not sure if all do.

I highly suggest plants for your tank, I'm a newbie to aquarium plants too but I wish I had of done it sooner. Not only do they look great in a tank but my Sunshine had loved to munch on them and they have been doing a great job for her system, she's being pooing like mad Tongue I brought baby tear's, mayaca, corkscr*w valleria and ambulia for my tank. Now Sunshine has completely destroyed the ambuila so after a week it no longer exists and it was my favourite too! But though she nibbles on all the rest they are still standing nice and strong. So pretty much your fish may gobble down some of the plants, that is ok as you can buy some he won't and they are easy to replace anyway.
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« Reply #17 on: October 04, 2010, 02:18:03 PM »

Very happy to report that Mr. Tailer's tail has completely healed! Only 5 days after adding Melafix and Pimafix and doing daily changes of approx. 2-3 litres of water. Still there appears no change in Nitrates that are hovering around 50 now. I just realized after reading other posts that you should never rinse the filter pad/charcoal with tap water and I just did! *bangs head against wall...  Embarrassed Picked up 'sinking' pellets that float!? What the huh? but soaked them in water for 10 min as Mr. Tailer must have worked on a single one for more than 5 min. He's darting occasionally around the tank which I've not seen him do before. Could he be frisky or is he stressing from poor water quality?
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« Reply #18 on: October 04, 2010, 02:53:51 PM »

Now you need to look out again for problems with ammonia, try to remember the clean the filter pads only in old tank water that you've removed during water changes Smiley
What do you mean "picking up sinking pellets that float"??
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« Reply #19 on: October 04, 2010, 04:01:04 PM »

Also add beneficial bacteria to your tank. Can you get Stability over there? It is to avoid "new tank syndrome" would help Mr.Tailor to settle down.
Check your water quality daily as the tank will go through another smaller cycle. Add Stability for the next 7 days.
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« Reply #20 on: October 05, 2010, 02:09:30 AM »

I think Mr. Tailer means pellets that just float. I have them, I mistook them for sinking pellets and as generally I have noticed most pellets are sinking ones so maybe that is what happened. It happened to me so I'm lucky I have a comet and a common, not any egg shaped goldfish Smiley Though of course it is very easy to buy new pellets Tongue
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« Reply #21 on: October 05, 2010, 12:07:45 PM »

Now I get it! Thanks, Andrea! Smiley

I am feeding my fish mainly floating pellets, and so far, I've yet to see swim bladder problems. Since I do feed them sinking pellets from time to time too Smiley The live food I feed is also mainly floating! (But I do soak the tubifex cubes before feeding them)
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« Reply #22 on: October 05, 2010, 04:41:02 PM »

Hi, I'm sorry I'm meant to say picked up sinking pellets 'from the store' that turned out to float  Cheesy And Nossie you were absolutely right today I am dealing with a spike in ammonia Sad just changed 25% of the water to try and get it down. Mr. Tailer looks good though and I assume he is quite healthy to have repaired his damaged fin so quickly. Needless to say I've spent a few hours hovering around his tank today, which I think he loved ♥ Cool thing is that in 24 hrs of starting this new pellet diet, his colour has been significantly enhanced. I read that all the ingredients are natural (Nutrafin MAX Goldfish medium sinking pellets with added vitamins) but there is natural colour enhancers in it. He LOVES them!!! but they need to be soaked for at least 10 minutes before feeding as they are pretty tough for him to eat. Probably would have done better with smaller version. Thanks again ladies!
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« Reply #23 on: October 06, 2010, 04:47:42 AM »

25% wont' really help, change 50% Wink Don't ever change anything less than 50%!

I've got various brands of color enhancing foods for my fish too! It really works well Smiley Mine mainly have Carotene in them, which is found in carrots and krill for instance c:
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« Reply #24 on: October 06, 2010, 04:49:37 AM »

Hello Mr. Tailer, please keep us updated how the water quality develops. Keep doing some w/c and add Stability to it and monitor the chemistry  Smiley
Lovely to hear that Mr. Tailer eats and loves those pellets and his tail is fine.   Wink
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« Reply #25 on: October 07, 2010, 06:48:02 PM »

The water has improved and has settled finally. Just did ammonia test and it reads almost zero as for the nitrates, I am still getting a reading around 40 to 50 (so frustrating!) Mr. Tailer is awesome and picking up and spitting out gravel around the whole tank and stirring up enough loose debris that it is being sucked into the power filter. Since starting the new pellet diet, he is a little turd bird Wink which is ok because he is surrounded by real birds in this house! Alas, I have made sh@t my friend Cheesy lol
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« Reply #26 on: October 08, 2010, 02:52:34 AM »

It's actually a sign of overfeeding when you start seeing the poo coming from the fish, normally, it should be let out in small pieces that fall off as soon as it "comes out" *embarrased :'D*, so you won't really notice it.
In other words, maybe you should feed him a bit less? It's only one fish, so he'll be fine with 5 pellets per feeding Smiley and then you could feed him twice or three times a day instead Smiley Goldfish don't have a stomach so they can't store food to use the nutrition slowly, that's why it's better to feed them much less but more often instead!

It could also be connected to the high nitrates, overfeeding is usually a pretty big problem if it's happening for long as it quickly fouls the water. So you could try feeding less and doing 50-70% water changes and see if that helps Smiley
Are you siphoning the gravel btw? I mean, rinsing it and siphoning out the waste?
Like, do you have something like this on the picture? It's like a hose by the end of that "glass-like" plastic end that pulls the waste out of the tank while the "glass-like" thing is sucking it up, and since the gravel is heavier than the debris, it sinks back down in the tank. It's very good to remove excess nitrates this way! During every water change, to make the fish's home cleaner Smiley

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« Reply #27 on: October 08, 2010, 03:23:49 PM »

Hi Nossie, you read my mind as this is the next thing I will purchase in the next day or so. I wasn't sure if I should disturb the gravel before the tank has completed cycling. As for the feeding, I am soaking and then dropping 4-5 pellets into Tailers tank approx. every 12 hrs. Sometimes I'll give him a pea in between that. Today a shared a tiny piece of organic apple (no skin) and he gobbled it up and wanted more! He's growing very well and looks fantastic in health despite the tanks current state of cycling. Ammonia is near zero and Nitrates still sitting around 40 today. Ph is 7.5 and Nitrites 0.1 so I believe it's only a matter of time before everything stabilizes Smiley Should I start siphoning the gravel before it is completely cycled? I fear the ammonia will spike again.
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« Reply #28 on: October 08, 2010, 04:11:42 PM »

That sounds really good!! I'm glad he's all healthy now Smiley
And I think you could leave the gravel alone, at least until the ammonia will be gone.
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« Reply #29 on: October 08, 2010, 04:55:17 PM »

IMO there is nothing against siphoning the gravel as it removes the waste, preventing the ammonia to show up again because waste starts to accumulate. Then add your fresh conditioned water with beneficial bacteria.

I got a product from our fish guy yesterday he developed and asked me to try it and give a review. It is supposed to remove nitrates. Will let you know.
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