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Caffuss
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My Tank set up
« on: January 13, 2012, 02:53:31 PM »

I have a tweenty gallon with two small goldfish. An undergravel filter powered by two powerheads pro-jet 400, they have no bubbles. Then I have a whisper 3 power filter with two air stones inside powered by an air pump. I have a bag of Algone and sponges in the power filter, no carbon. I have 5 live plants. There is a lot of currant in the tank but the fish seem happy.
Any suggestions for a better set up using same supplies?
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Nossie
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Re: My Tank set up
« Reply #1 on: January 14, 2012, 04:50:47 AM »

Why, there's no way to make a better set up using the same things you have now Smiley
It sounds alright, but the UG filter is pretty obsolete when it comes to keeping goldfish, they're far too messy! So what I'd suggest would be a small external filter with a power of 200gph for your tank instead. You can still keep the internal filter, but get rid of the undergravel filter.

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Which is very important since it's a relatively small tank with a lot of fish in it. (I don't mean a big amount of fish, I mean A LOT of two fish Wink)

Are your goldfish twin-tailed or single tailed? Smiley
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Re: My Tank set up
« Reply #2 on: January 17, 2012, 11:13:47 AM »

Well I have to power heads cycling the water. I could change one into just a water pump and it will cycle about 500 gph. As power heads they cycle 220 gph total.  I have a large whiper 3 power filter running on it as well. The tank is already cycled, if I change it that much, wont it disrubt it. I gravel vacum and change 25% of water every week. My gold fish are fan tails they have dubble tails. Smiley
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Re: My Tank set up
« Reply #3 on: January 17, 2012, 12:40:54 PM »

Lovely, I love fancy goldfish! Smiley Got a tank full of them myself Wink

And no, 50% won't bother anything since the beneficial bacteria live in the filter media first and foremost! It's only better when it comes to goldfish to thoroughly vacuum the gravel and replace 50-60%. I've been following this schedule for the past few months, and in a week, I'm not getting the nitrates any higher than 25, even though I have a slightly underfiltered tank Smiley
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Re: My Tank set up
« Reply #4 on: January 17, 2012, 01:47:10 PM »

reverse flow the UG. The debris will then get caught in a sponge that can be removed and easily clean. Debris won't get stuck in the UG as the water will be flowing from under it and up, pushing the debris to the filter intakes. It would also lessen the turbulence in the tank without effecting the actual flow rate.
To give you an idea of how to do it....
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Re: My Tank set up
« Reply #5 on: January 18, 2012, 10:54:51 AM »

Thank you, but I wouldn't know how to do that...I did see a reverse power head when I bought the ones I have. But I thought it may make my water dirtier or cloudy.  I clean my gravel every week, the water flowes through the gravel and under the ug filter. What ever is under there with decay and become part of the bio cycle. I don't see how it is a problem...but on any new tanks I wont use ug filters.
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Re: My Tank set up
« Reply #6 on: January 18, 2012, 11:32:34 AM »

It is a problem actually, the word "decay" isn't a good one Wink While the matter is caught under the ug filter board, it will - as you said - rot, which will create ammonia, which will turn into a constant source of nitrate. So while you clean out some, this will always be left under there increasing the nitrate levels. This will soon enough turn into you having to take out the board to get what's stuck under it, and that's a bit more trouble than needed.

However, as long as you don't notice any strange increases in nitrates, it'll be fine! Smiley
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Re: My Tank set up
« Reply #7 on: January 18, 2012, 12:18:06 PM »

Ya, nothing large can get under there, I also have live plants that eat the nitrates and I can test the water every two weeks. There shouldnt be a large build up under the ugf  plates if I clean the gravel every week and I only keep two or three goldies in there. I plan on keeping only the two in there, but if I see a pearl scale that I love before I get my other tank I might get it and then transfer later.
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Re: My Tank set up
« Reply #8 on: January 18, 2012, 01:24:58 PM »

True Smiley
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Re: My Tank set up
« Reply #9 on: January 18, 2012, 05:16:19 PM »

What other tank are you hoping to get?

I'd say avoid having 3 goldfish in a 20 gallon, unless it is temporary.
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Re: My Tank set up
« Reply #10 on: January 18, 2012, 07:34:51 PM »

Pull an undergravel filter out of a three year old tank and you will never use one again. ITíS DISCUSTING.

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Re: My Tank set up
« Reply #11 on: January 19, 2012, 05:20:37 AM »

Haha Dragonii, you should have seen the under gravel filter on my dad's old tank when we pulled that one out!
It must have been in there for around 10 years? I'd guess?
The sheets I managed to get vaguely clean, but the pipes attached? My word, I haven't gone anywhere near them XD
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Re: My Tank set up
« Reply #12 on: January 19, 2012, 11:28:01 AM »

Uh, when I first started setting up my own fish tanks UGF were very popular.  I always used them and mine were not bad when I had to move and take it apart. I wont use them agian, but I'm keeping it in this tank, is already set up. I could take it out and just use the power heads with a sponge on the intake tube ...but I think the water filtering through the gravel is a good thing with all the good bactria it provides as long as I clean the gravel once a week and check the water. I never had a tank without the UGF before, I just set up a ten gallon for a betta a goast shrmp and three dwarf frogs with just a sponge filter and long air stone, I worry about the gravel that as no water moving through it. Tongue Remember I also have a large power filter on this 20 gallon tank. I probably wont get another goldfish in this tank until i know when I'm getting the larger tank set up.
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« Reply #13 on: January 19, 2012, 12:03:00 PM »

Skwishee: That puts all kinds of fun pictures and smells into my head considering that I still have all the black gunk freshly in my memory... Grin

Caffuss: Oh, I'd like to see photos of the betta/shrimp/frog setup! If you have any Smiley
I think that since you're cleaning the gravel regularly it will probably stay just fine, most other filters get gunky with time too, so why not a UG filter doing the same? Tongue When I started keeping fish the internal power filters were all the rage, and they still are. When people see my 6L eheim they go "WHAT IS THAT?! @_@" as if it was some monster bucket I have next to the tank for no reason Wink
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Re: My Tank set up
« Reply #14 on: January 19, 2012, 04:31:41 PM »

Haha ahh the black gunk..... I really wish I'd taken photo's Roll Eyes

Caffuss, under gravel filters are useful, just not with goldfish  Wink So keep hold of it. I've kept my Dads. No idea if it works, but you never know when these things will come in handy!

I'd like to see photos too! Dwarf frogs intrigue me greatly....

Haha Nossie that's a funny reaction to a filter! I've stuck my external next to the tank as well, it wouldn't fit into the cupboard but the sofa is in the way so you can't really see it! I keep forgetting it's there XD
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Re: My Tank set up
« Reply #15 on: January 19, 2012, 08:29:25 PM »

We just moved..right now I have no way of posting any pictures....my 60 gallon tank is stuck in someone elses garage.   Undecided I can hardly wait to get it. I love Gold fish and want more! The froggys are very cute, theres three..they hide most of the time. The Betta and goast shirmp swim all the time.
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Re: My Tank set up
« Reply #16 on: January 20, 2012, 04:00:43 AM »

Skwishee: I know! I get so happy when people are in awe about my tank, and the fish xD They even ask questions about them etc Smiley

Caffuss: Do I know that feeling Wink Even if I have pretty many by now I'd still like to have maybe one more tank, similar size for the fantails and maybe have a few orandas in the current one... Grin
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Re: My Tank set up
« Reply #17 on: January 20, 2012, 11:21:05 AM »

I am thinking about removing the UGF....becuase i can not vacum the gravel very well, becuase I have live plants. I can put the two pwer heads on the back of the tank near the power filter intake tube with sponges on them..near the bottom of the tank. I could also convert one of the power heads to a water pump 500 gph....but I think that would be far to much currant for GF in a 20 gallon tank, the two power heads are 220 gph together, and I also have a large power filter, Whisper 3. Would this be a good set up or should I put the power heads in the corners? Now, I'm wondering about the water in the gravel that does not get any water movement, but does have bacteria...how is this okie?
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Re: My Tank set up
« Reply #18 on: January 20, 2012, 03:40:49 PM »

Umm... you mean like, the gravel in tanks that don't have UG filters?
Well, first off, that's fine because every reasonable person will vacuum this well every week. I usually take time every three weeks and also remove all the ornaments (wood and pebbles) to get it better cleaned. Second, the tank itself should have very good water circulation and third, gravel is pretty heavy so there won't be any harmful air pockets in there.

Furthermore, live plants don't really like having that constant tug on their roots from a UG filter. They would grow a tad worse, but they of course wouldn't just die from it Smiley
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Re: My Tank set up
« Reply #19 on: January 21, 2012, 11:36:29 AM »

Okie, so I take the undergravel filter out and put the two power heads under the power filter with sponges on the intake tubes, in the mback middle of the tank. Then I can clean the gravel around the plants. I odered a 36 watt light for the tank, becuase right now I only have 15 watts, I think the plants need more light.
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Re: My Tank set up
« Reply #20 on: January 21, 2012, 03:33:43 PM »

What plants do you currently have Caffuss?
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Re: My Tank set up
« Reply #21 on: January 21, 2012, 05:21:41 PM »

What's the GPH on the Whisper? I just looked it up out of curiosity but all I can find is 3i which only does 20 GPH. (surely it's not that one?!) Also I just sold an UGF on Craigslist for $45. Maybe that's an option for you (if you're in the states) and you could put the money towards a nice canister filter?
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« Reply #22 on: January 22, 2012, 05:03:15 AM »

More light is always better when keeping any live plants, however those with darker and thicker leaves don't need specialist lighting, I don't remember the wattage on mine, but it's supposed to promote any plant growth Cheesy (I guess that's why it's a bit of a problem with algae if I don't have ancistrus to deal with it for me Tongue)
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« Reply #23 on: January 23, 2012, 12:00:05 PM »

Humm, I bought my plants snail free at Pets mart, one looks like a weed with small light green leaves, one is a short plants with wide thick dark green leaves, one has black roots and long dark green leaves, I forget there names.  Roll Eyes The wisper filter, I bought about 15 years ago used! Still works great...not sure the gph, becuase I dont think they make this type any more but it uses two large carts. I think it was made for a forty plus gallon tank. However I use bio filteration, no carbon.  I read alge is very good for gold fish, they love to eat it and it helps make the tank more natural. ...I'm letting mine grow on the back and sides of the tank.
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« Reply #24 on: January 24, 2012, 04:12:45 AM »

Sounds like either canadian pondweed, hornwort or cabomba for the first one (I think?), and the second one most likely is an anubias, does it have a slightly waxy look to the leaves? Smiley Last one with black roots would most likely be Java fern, if the roots are like this tangles mess of threads?

I was growing algae too! Smiley Then I really had to get some bristlenoses to deal with it, because it wasn't fun to clean the ornaments off every week! D: But the moors especially appreciated the algae Smiley
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« Reply #25 on: January 24, 2012, 11:08:33 AM »

Ya, I think you are right about the plants. The first I think is hornwort. The algae is a brownish color right now...very ugly, but I'm hoping it will turn green when I get my new light.  Roll Eyes So...should I put the power heads on the back of the tank next to the power filter intake, with sponges on there intake tubes? I have fluval sponges they are made for power filter intakes.
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« Reply #26 on: January 24, 2012, 12:37:26 PM »

I'd put the filters on the side of the tank, this way the water will be circulating all through it instead of just going back and forth. It's a good idea to keep all filters on one side, all the intakes and all the outtakes Smiley
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Re: My Tank set up
« Reply #27 on: January 24, 2012, 02:46:53 PM »

But I can not put the power filter on the side of the tank. So do I put both power heads on one side and the power filter in the middle back? What is the best option? My power filter is 13 and a half inches long. Huh
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« Reply #28 on: January 24, 2012, 04:35:45 PM »

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But I can not put the power filter on the side of the tank. So do I put both power heads on one side and the power filter in the middle back? What is the best option? My power filter is 13 and a half inches long. Huh

Your hang on power filter is 13" long? What brand and model is it?
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« Reply #29 on: January 25, 2012, 12:11:37 PM »

Ya, the power filter is very old at least 20 years old it holds 2 large carts...I've had the propeller replaced a couple times. The motor has never been replaced or serviced and it works great. It is a Whisper 3 second nature...I dont think they make them anymore. I think you are right about the canester filters providing more good bacteria. I asked her she ignored the question and just talked about something else. I haven't seen a canester filter good for a 60 gallon for less than 200...I can't really afford that.  Cry
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