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hailsontherocks
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Mysterious Goldfish?
« on: August 23, 2011, 12:31:01 AM »

A few months ago I invested in a couple of out door fish ponds. I brought 10 goldfish from the pet shoppe, and divided them up into their new homes (one in the small, four in the medium, five in the large) Unfortunately the cute little white/orange comet that looked like a clown fish was poached by a kingfisher. Better netting was installed to help protect them. after a while I needed to change the water in the ponds so I cleaned the medium pond and placed all the fish in that pond while maintenance was done on the big one. when I went to catch all of the remaining fish (9) I had a lot of trouble catching the last one, which was brown when I got it. on finding it I was shocked that it was so unlike the other little fishys (2 black moores, and an assortment of comets, fancys, mixed breds). It didn't look like a goldfish, to be honest I thought it looked like a mini rainbow trout.

It is a lot smaller and slimmer than the rest of the fish so I decided to conglomerate the two smaller ponds so there was more room and split them 5/4 with the bigger fish in the large pond.

Most of that story was totally unrelated to the qualm I have. What is this fish? I certainly dont remember seeing anything like it in the tank at the fish store.... Huh Huh Huh

Sorry about the picture quality, my cameras battery is flat so I improvised  Tongue


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hailsontherocks
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Re: Mysterious Goldfish?
« Reply #1 on: August 23, 2011, 12:33:15 AM »

It has a red tint in its tail and blue dots on its gills... it kinda reminds me of the sprats we used to catch down in the creek when I was  a kid
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Re: Mysterious Goldfish?
« Reply #2 on: August 23, 2011, 12:49:41 AM »

Just from the pictures, the fish seems to be a little too thin on top and the tail is too short to be a goldfish. Most goldfish do not have that type of coloring. Also goldfish tend to have a more rounded body and belly.  It looks more like the kind of fish you sometimes catch at the lake when you go fishing.

What is the history of the ponds. Did you create them or purchase a house with the ponds already there? If you can net it and get a side view picture of the fish, that would help a lot.   If you purchased them with the goldfish, perhaps someone mistakenly placed a cihlid or some other tropical fish in same tank with  the goldfish.
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hailsontherocks
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Re: Mysterious Goldfish?
« Reply #3 on: August 23, 2011, 03:29:09 AM »

I created them myself a month before getting the fish. will go out there with a net tomorrow morning. 
When I  first saw it in there I thought it was a sprat but couldn't work out how it could have gotten there.

If it's a tropical goldfish, then it surely is a hardy as over the last moth those ponds have had a good inch of ice on them in the mornings.

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Re: Mysterious Goldfish?
« Reply #4 on: August 23, 2011, 11:13:36 AM »

looks like the fish you find in creeks. maybe a mino
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hailsontherocks
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Re: Mysterious Goldfish?
« Reply #5 on: August 23, 2011, 06:08:22 PM »

Here are some more pics. Unfortunately I cant get a decent photo as my cameras battery i flat and the rabbit ran off with the charger :S

Pictures were taken of fish in a cup full of peas for the goldies, as I couldnt get him to stay still in the fishnet. He is now inside in a large tupperware container until we can find out what he is and what kind of home he needs. will post a short video of him in the container if that helps
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Re: Mysterious Goldfish?
« Reply #6 on: August 23, 2011, 07:21:56 PM »

I have no idea what your fish is, but someone here may know, you should also tell us what country you are in, it may be a local fish variety.  Smiley ... here's something way out there, maybe the kingfisher had a problem swallowing the fish it had picked up in the creek or a neighbour's yard, and regurgitated it while sitting above your pond... also cyclones and tornado's etc. are known to pick up fish and deliver them elsewhere, food for thought anyway...  Wink
and I have a tip for flat camera batteries, put them in your pocket or under your armpit for 5 minutes (somewhere warm) you may be able to squeeze out a few more images before they go flat again... cheers > Ron
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hailsontherocks
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Re: Mysterious Goldfish?
« Reply #7 on: August 23, 2011, 07:31:04 PM »

I live down under in New Zealand, Hamilton to be exact. we don't get tornadoes here... in fact Hamilton is the most geologically stable place in New Zealand but it does get bloody cold.  These fish were brought from Auckland which is further north and has a subtropical climate.  We are officially a week from spring and the ponds are still freezing over overnight/in the morning but they are getting warmer during the day.

There is no other body of water near I live for a few kilometres.
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Re: Mysterious Goldfish?
« Reply #8 on: August 23, 2011, 07:32:37 PM »

Ug, I have to post more comments before I can post my link to the fishy video.
It may help because its a bit easier to make out the fish in it.
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hailsontherocks
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Re: Mysterious Goldfish?
« Reply #9 on: August 23, 2011, 07:59:12 PM »

Ah my battery must be dead flat as your tip was tried to no avail.... usually it gains some more power when it gets left for a week or two but even that hasnt regained it any charge at all.  Thanks for the advice anyway, Im sure it would have worked other wise...

Ah well, I suppose its time to go and talk the rabbit into giving the charger back... by now its probably in small pieces, He is worse than a dog for destroying things!

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Re: Mysterious Goldfish?
« Reply #10 on: August 23, 2011, 08:00:13 PM »

The little fishy is brown ish with blue stripes/spots all over except for his tail which has a red tint to it.
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hailsontherocks
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Re: Mysterious Goldfish?
« Reply #11 on: August 23, 2011, 08:13:41 PM »

On a side note, what do minnows/cihlids eat, as this guy is not interested in peas or goldfish food and is looking a bit on the frail side for my liking
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Re: Mysterious Goldfish?
« Reply #12 on: August 23, 2011, 09:35:01 PM »

The first picture looks like the fish has some feelers like a gourami (kinda difficult to id since i can't see the much of the details on the fish), but it would be difficult for it to survive in freezing water.
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Right now it could be almost anything from some tropical fish to a local lake / river fish.

Also remember that when the water temperature is very cold, the fish's metabolism will slow down and it will not eat and cannot digest its food.
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Re: Mysterious Goldfish?
« Reply #13 on: August 23, 2011, 09:49:11 PM »

I know, I will use my partners iPhone to take pictures of it when he gets home. Hopefully they come out a bit more etailed than my cr*py phones camera.
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Re: Mysterious Goldfish?
« Reply #14 on: August 23, 2011, 10:05:13 PM »

hey hailsontherocks, sorry the tip didn't work, they must be pretty dead... I think I noticed the dorsal fin is a little different as you have Nabi with the gourami pic, the fin seems to trail behind a bit, this may be one clue to identifying it anyway... I am amazed at how well your fish cope with the freezing temp, its end of winter here too and I am looking forward to spring... also maybe you should put him back with the other fish, it sounds like he may be stressing out a bit... all the best > Ron
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Re: Mysterious Goldfish?
« Reply #15 on: August 24, 2011, 02:19:56 AM »

I have moved him back into the small pond, and moved all the gold fish into the big pond, as there is more than enough room for them in there. That way I know this guy wont get eaten by the goldies.
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Re: Mysterious Goldfish?
« Reply #16 on: August 24, 2011, 02:33:28 AM »

I didn't feed the fish over winter. I know its very bad as they don't digest food while hibernating. but They are a lot more active now what with it being so close. The temperature drops considerably overnight - from 12 - 20C down to 2 - -5C so I have started feeding them as there is no established insect ecosystem in the pond yet. Hopefully that should build up of the next few weeks and then I wont have to feed them at all (insects are a plenty in new Zealand, as we have no native mammals).
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Re: Mysterious Goldfish?
« Reply #17 on: August 24, 2011, 04:25:54 AM »

Here's a short video of the mystery fish:

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He is back in the pond now, the container was only temporary accomodation
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Re: Mysterious Goldfish?
« Reply #18 on: August 24, 2011, 06:18:52 AM »

I think he is a chichlid.
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Re: Mysterious Goldfish?
« Reply #19 on: August 24, 2011, 02:27:20 PM »

That's a cichlid for sure! Got some three-spot gouramis myself so it's pretty easy to tell the difference, they have longer bodies and different fins. Not to mention the little touchy antenna-like thingies Wink

Are you going to keep him, or maybe give him to a pet shop? Smiley
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hailsontherocks
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Re: Mysterious Goldfish?
« Reply #20 on: August 24, 2011, 06:45:08 PM »

I went into the new petshop up the road and they reckoned he was a guppy!  Shocked

I would like to keep him but I'm not sure what they eat and their living requirements.  He has survived a couple of months in the pond outside but he is not eating the goldfish flakes.
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Re: Mysterious Goldfish?
« Reply #21 on: August 24, 2011, 08:30:51 PM »

well done all, your status should be legend... cheers
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Re: Mysterious Goldfish?
« Reply #22 on: August 26, 2011, 06:49:04 AM »

That's FAR too big to be a guppy Shocked what kind of pet shop people can't tell what a guppy looks like!? xD
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Re: Mysterious Goldfish?
« Reply #23 on: August 26, 2011, 07:27:39 PM »

Heehee that's no guppy!  Grin

These pet-shop people...don't know whether to laugh or to cry! O.O
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hailsontherocks
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Re: Mysterious Goldfish?
« Reply #24 on: August 26, 2011, 07:37:53 PM »

yes indeed! Luckily a new fish-pet store has opened up just 30mins from where I live and they are uber knowledgeable, they even manufacture aquariums on the premises!

Fishy seems to be quite territorial and it even trys to chase my hand now. It is getting more colour and looks like a paradise fish. I have acquired some meat for it, and it seems to enjoy nibbling on that, so hopefully he/she will make it!
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Re: Mysterious Goldfish?
« Reply #25 on: August 27, 2011, 09:49:00 AM »

I'm surprised it didn't show more aggression with your goldfish!  Shocked Maybe the colder temps in your pond made it sluggish. 
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hailsontherocks
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Re: Mysterious Goldfish?
« Reply #26 on: August 27, 2011, 09:55:26 PM »

I think you are right about the temperature sedating him, its nearly spring here and by midday the pond water is getting a lot warmer. He seems a lot more active during those warmer hours of the day.

Hmm, this fish it doesn't seem to eat much - maybe it is still too cold for it? I was told a quarter of a cube of meat a day unless there is another source of food, ie mosquito larvae, for it. mosquitoes wont be around for another couple of weeks and as this is a relatively new pond there are not other insects for it to munch on at the moment. It doesn't seem all that interested in the meat, and was left in there for a couple of days before I removed and replaced it. just pulled out 2 intact cubes of meat from the last two days and put in another just incase. It did kill four guppies though, but didn't eat them either...  reducing the rate of which I put the food in until I see some improvement in the amount he eats, its getting warmer everyday now so I don't want to starve it.
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Re: Mysterious Goldfish?
« Reply #27 on: August 28, 2011, 03:26:53 PM »

Fish are notorious to eat less in colder weather, so I wouldn't worry. Also, fish find other sources of food in outdoor ponds such as bugs (flies, moths, gnats, etc.) that fall into the water and nibble on certain types of plants within the pond. I didn't quite catch if your fish is in an area with other goldfish, but if he isn't eating what you're giving him, I would only make sure to give out enough food for the other fish in the water. Don't wanna leave exess food in the water to pollute everything up! So he killed the other guppies? Territorial, huh? That points to it being a tropical fish, in my humble opinion.  Wink I would say a gourami or a cichlid is a pretty good guess. Keep in mind it has probably lost a lot of it's coloring in water that cold, so maybe after he warms up it will be easier to tell.  Wink
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Re: Mysterious Goldfish?
« Reply #28 on: August 28, 2011, 07:43:16 PM »

gnats! I don't think we have gnats in NZ, but we do have huhu beetles. The only gnat I can think of here would be the fungus gnat (glow worm) but they only live in caves. The pond is covered to prevent the cats getting at the fish, but the cover is a fine mesh so most insects aren't even trying to get in. This should change in a couple of weeks when spring arrives and you cant move for the crickets outside, and almost every inhalation causes you to choke on some bug. uuuuuughh.

The fish was originally in the big pond with most of the other fish but when I discovered he wasn't a goldie I put all the goldfish in the  big pond so he could have the small pond to himself. I watch the goldies eating to make sure the little fancies get some too, but it would seem that I have no reason to worry about them as the Big black Moore is so clumsy when he comes up to the surface he knocks a substantial amount of food down into the water with his fins+tail.  Then the smaller fish just swim by to get a free meal!
The reason why I am getting a bit concerned about the tropical fish is because when I put my hand into the pond the water is quite warm (not just tepid) and the little guy is still not eating or swimming around much. I think I will just watch him over the next few weeks to make sure he improves as the temperature rises. I might invest in a thermometer for his pond as well.
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Re: Mysterious Goldfish?
« Reply #29 on: August 28, 2011, 07:46:03 PM »

Good news! The rabbit hid the camera charger under the house and only demolshed the cord, of which I have a replacement for. Camera is now charged so I will get out there and try get a semi-descent picture of this little guy. he is a bit more colourful now. Not much, but a bit.
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