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fantailer
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Re: New fish
« Reply #30 on: November 15, 2010, 06:07:22 AM »

Me and my sister always wanted a guinea pig but we never got one. Embarrassed
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Re: New fish
« Reply #31 on: November 15, 2010, 09:34:35 AM »

Top pic is the new babies  in tank with Kissy, She's loving them so far  its working on being together. Waiting on another big move.   The white 1 is Gabby, 2 "blues" are Suede & Cocoa.


Bottom pic   2 front runners are white - Dottie,  orange-Cadabby  coming up from back of tank with sweet white nose is Ms. Abby   They're cohabiting with Monster & the boys.
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Re: New fish
« Reply #32 on: November 15, 2010, 09:38:25 AM »

They're all very beautiful Smiley Take good care of them now! Wink
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Re: New fish
« Reply #33 on: November 15, 2010, 10:35:19 AM »

Thanks, Nossie.  I will definitely take care of em.   They're a great addition. Love the blue as you can tell from the last 2 batches I'm getting partial to the white lol.   

Thanks for adding your intellect on the other topic. Thought I'd start new thread to share what shop owner told me to help others if possible. I know I've searched the web numerous times & love this forum the best. Of course I've checked out every book on fish keeping our local library has as well lol  but I enjoy reading. Its a nice escape from the real world to  dive into any book isnt it?  I'm wondering if what we call feeder fish is different.    My 3 baby comets   in the pic are what is called feeder fish here but I've also read of a clear fish being a feeder.      I asked the shop keep before  placing the babies with Kissy & he said with her being "small" &  docile  they'd be good tank mates  but  not to place them in with the big boys or they'd be food.   
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Re: New fish
« Reply #34 on: November 15, 2010, 12:29:43 PM »

I've been looking around a lot for info too, but here is where I've learned most of what I know Smiley (along with a few wonderful books)

About feeder fish, anything sold as food for bigger fish or reptiles are called feeders, they're usually commons or comet goldfish and usually sold separately from the "normal" commons/comet goldfish. You might also note that the feeders are most of the time in very small and crowded tanks.
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Re: New fish
« Reply #35 on: November 15, 2010, 12:50:42 PM »

Yeah, and our petshops here do not waste their time or energy on treating them. Angry
They are in and out of the shops so fast.  Turtles, snakes, and bigger fish eat them.
In fact when I went to the shop to buy a few feeders for my pond this summer they advised me not too as they are disease carriers.  I treated all my feeders with methylene blue and an antibiotic fish food when I got them home and quarantined them in a bigger tank.  One feeder is still only an inch long...hasn't grown at all... Sad  His buddies are triple the size of him now!
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Re: New fish
« Reply #36 on: November 15, 2010, 03:52:49 PM »

That's the importance of quarantining! Unfortunately, that's usually the only way to save feeders!
Simply treat for parasites, bacteria and the whole list, because it's so hard to nail the symptoms to one certain disease.
I believe feeders are also something like culls of the culls, since the pet shop fish are culls from show quality breeders, the feeders are most likely culled from the pet shop stock. And so not getting as good food as the other fish - worse start in life and lower growth rate.
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Re: New fish
« Reply #37 on: November 15, 2010, 05:58:06 PM »

Minde, you're such a good soul, I wish I'd have the room and space for a big feeder-rescue tank.... I'd do the same Smiley
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Re: New fish
« Reply #38 on: November 15, 2010, 06:08:06 PM »

I wish I had 10 goldfish! Grin
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Re: New fish
« Reply #39 on: November 15, 2010, 06:18:14 PM »

Oh Hanna, You are such a softie too! Grin

Hey fantailer, You would need a big old pond for 10 goldfish or a 100 gallon tank!!! Wink
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Re: New fish
« Reply #40 on: November 15, 2010, 06:21:04 PM »

Yes, I AM
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Re: New fish
« Reply #41 on: November 15, 2010, 09:40:01 PM »

Every shop I've been in around here has either just feeder on the goldfish tank or it says Comet (Feeder)  on all the baby goldies.  Only the bigger ones like 3 + inches are labeled  as a  Goldfish:( 

Does that mean my 3 babies won't grow up?   Bless their little hearts they want to be big girls they're so spunky.
The shop keep I met this weekend says he  only sells top quality healthy stock in all his animals.  He seemed genuine &  said  his feeders can get large & advised me on appropriate tank size. I liked him he was the 1st live person  I've heard say  they need 10 gallons or more per fish.    & he  did say  he recommends  feeder fish 4 cycling a tank only to people that will either properly care for them long term or  ( this made my daughters cry)  has a  carnivore  to feed them to Sad

He strongly discouraged me quarantining them  stating I'd destroy  my established tanks using salt water as most folks here never salt right.   He also told me to only shop  within  my local water source in order to avoid shocking them by a dramatic change.    Luckily  our areas are both feed by the same river. 

Maybe I'm just too excited. After all he was the 1st  person I've met that seem to know what's what  the other shops didnt know any more than I did & I had to come to ya'll for the best advice.
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Re: New fish
« Reply #42 on: November 15, 2010, 10:00:44 PM »

That statement about the water source just doesn't make sense to me.
I mean where does he get his fish from?
Fish are shipped from all over even other countries.
As long as you treat the water with a good condtioner it should be fine.
Salt won't bother the ecosystem of your tank either unless you use like more than what is recommended.
It is very stressful for fish to travel from one tank to another.
Salt is great to use for avoiding shock and stress.  It provides electrolyes and helps gill function.
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Re: New fish
« Reply #43 on: November 15, 2010, 11:26:03 PM »

Minde, I'm not actually sure.  I assumed he meant cause of all the recent flooding a lot of the water treatment places  around here are contaminated  &  I was likely to get sick fish.   I know several towns have added some harsh chemicals to the water & people can only use bottled water until its worked out. I should've questioned that more & I will when I go back next week. I'm already keeping a journal with my lists of questions  lol.    He said  if I didnt have an established tank yes do the salt water tank  but not to put salt water into an established 1 cause it would destroy the beneficial bacteria that was in it as well as the bad.  With my bad luck using salt water I jumped on the idea of not using it.    I'm taking him a sample of just my straight tap water  to test  for ph & hardness & some others I've forgotten.   I'm assuming he wants to check because of the flooding.  He did say  he preferred salt water treatment for some illnesses over  using chemicals  but he told me several times  that's based on his experience.   
So far things are going good in my tanks without using it. All my fish including the 6 new ones I bought from him are doing well  & thats much better than the last 2 attempts at getting newbies.   I've had them 3 days  & no  change in the water quality other than ph  & hardness  ( not sure 100% why  but that's the tank that's having serious current issues & the intake is too short)  but weekly water change is in the a.m. 

**  Please keep in mind when I'm talking in person  I "hear" what others say thru a translator so communication errors are  likely to occur.    I have very limited hearing.
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Re: New fish
« Reply #44 on: November 16, 2010, 11:50:59 AM »

Salt will absolutely not bother the beneficial bacteria at all, but it WILL slow them down a little, but that's only noticeable when the tank isn't cycled. Like Mindemae said, it's definitely to recommend when buying new fish since it works as a tonic for them and relieves the osmotic pressure on them. That's why it's so good to use when treating all kinds of diseases!

And to be honest... I'd say that "the flooding" and everything that comes with, is cr*p. Really, nevermind that. A good water conditioner will remove all the harmful chemicals whatever they may be. Nothing to worry about Smiley
I'm getting a bit suspicious about all the strange information this guy has to offer... I think you shouldn't listen to every word as if it was the meaning of life, but listen, and pick parts that make sense to you Wink

Now, you mentioned in the previous post that you're worried that your fish may not grow, and well.. the possibility is small, but it's there. They haven't gotten the best start in life, which is why they're sold as feeders in the first place. But just you feed them good food and give them good water and they'll surely grow for you anyway Cheesy
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Re: New fish
« Reply #45 on: November 16, 2010, 03:53:17 PM »

They are lovely little babies. And now that you know how to look after them, testing the water quality, doing water changes, they sure will grow to be nice, stunning fishies Smiley
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Re: New fish
« Reply #46 on: November 16, 2010, 10:06:56 PM »

thank you Hanna.
I'm checking water quality daily so far no water change has been necessary. I decided to skip  today's weekly cleaning since the levels were still perfect.    They enjoyed their 1st algae wafer  it was amusing for me.   
For now  I'm feeding all tanks 4 times a day  (big boys like a snack lol)   I'm doing it my way so it won't be what others will say is right .  breakfast : Wardley Goldfish  Flakes lunch: Tetra freeze dried bloodworms or brine shrimp   p.m. snack: homemade veggie or fruit of the day ( little guys is a store bought  veggie blend until they're a little bigger now they won't eat any of the veggies I've tried)  supper: JBL goldfish bites   I need to add more variety to their menu right now I'm still in the research phase Sad

Guppies are getting aqueon tropical flakes, blood worms or brine shrimp  & tropical bites.   If I remember correctly you have guppies as well Hanna  what do you feed yours?  any suggestions on them?

oh an update on Kissy. She's doing great.  Seems to enjoy the companionship of the little ones & is swimming around with  nice pretty fins again.  Back to her normal sweet self playing in the bubbles.   I'm re thinking the permanent housing.  Not sure whose going to be tankmates  now.  Big moving day is getting closer:)  Not counting down days yet but hopefully wont be much longer.
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Re: New fish
« Reply #47 on: November 17, 2010, 03:01:03 AM »

I always feed my fish with pellets twice a day and give them either veggies or live foods once mid-day Smiley They like Wink

When I kept guppies I just fed them flakes and some live foods, they're fine with that Smiley They'll probably have some issues eating veggies with their tiny mouths, so you might want to buy some dried seaweed for them Smiley
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