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toomanypets
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New fish
« on: November 04, 2010, 09:33:22 PM »

Went shopping today & came home with 8  tiny little Goldfish(reportedly Comets,Commons & Kois).   Smack me now please.   They were so cute just couldn't walk away.   I'm going to have to order another huge tank now. Have I become an addict?
They're in  a small  quarantine tank  now.   I'm wondering if they'll just stay small or  will they actually get big like my others?     Supposedly 2  are   young  Koi   but I havent seen any whiskers.  I'm posting a  pic  (not a great 1 cause that tank  doesnt want to cooperate with my camera  ugh) .    Let me know your thoughts  on the little ones.    There's 1 that's blackish   I assume  its  natural color   but   please let me know if you think it's a disease.   I plan to quarantine them for 2 weeks  should  it be longer??
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Re: New fish
« Reply #1 on: November 04, 2010, 10:28:59 PM »

They are very cute, and we won't smack you, lol Grin YES YOU ARE ADDICTED, "fish hoarder" lol, like us

They won't stay small, they are babies now and they will grow pretty fast; we got ours in March they were only 4 cm small, now they are  over 10 cm in just 8 months.
The one with the compact tail is a common, the other ones are comets, I cannot see whiskers which identify a koi.

According to the number of fishies you'll need at least an 80 gal tank and if you want to put them together with your other ones add 10 gal for every other fish  Grin  Shocked
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Re: New fish
« Reply #2 on: November 05, 2010, 03:57:57 AM »

80 gallon tanks are lovely c: Got one slightly bigger than that myself, and it's just so beautiful and spaceous Smiley My fish are still pretty small too, since they're rather fancy goldfish and seem to grow slightly slower than commons. So I sometimes lose them in the forest I've planted there xD

You should totally go for that 80 gal! OR bigger c:
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Re: New fish
« Reply #3 on: November 05, 2010, 10:58:18 AM »

thanks ya'll.  Sounds like I need to start attending some meetings. lol    I'm  thinking of  them having their own tank away from my "biggies"   don't want to stress out Kissy & her bunch by adding strangers.    2  big tanks will be prettier than 1  monster 1  I think.    After  I get them  bigger I may  give a  pair to my brother to put in his 30 gal. so he can have a  cool pet to keep him company.

The "blackish" fishy   ,my 4 year old named him,TUNA, lol;  seems to be a little less black so maybe  he's  been sick &  the water is  fixing him??

What feeding suggestions do ya'll have to  promote good growth rate?

Is it true that adding salt & a heater to tank makes them grow?



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Re: New fish
« Reply #4 on: November 05, 2010, 02:05:35 PM »

The spotty fish looks like it's a calico, due to the transparent look of the colors Smiley But it's hard to tell from the photo Wink Either way, if the black is disappearing, it could be healing, yes Smiley

You should buy some live foods, definitely Smiley Lots of protein will promote their growth. Like blood worms, tubifex, different kinds of shrimp etc. Get frozen, freeze dried or packed in gel ones! And feed them maybe 3-4 times a week with that. Along with a good quality staple diet. Pellets would do great, and make sure you choose ones made especially for goldfish, since it contains all the important vitamins etc Smiley
Feed them veggies from time to time to keep them healthy and teir digestive system working. Give them things like shelled peas, cucumber, zucchini, spinach, lettuce... you can feed water melon, strawberries and orange pulp too if you want Smiley

Salt and heater will not help them grow, but a heater might be good to have in winters to be sure that the water temperature will stay constant. Salt is used mainly when quarantining new fish, as it kills parasites and supports the fishes' osmosis and removes the pressure off their bodies Smiley
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Re: New fish
« Reply #5 on: November 05, 2010, 03:12:05 PM »

I agree with Nossie lots of protein and veggies! I've been feeding my Ryukin a diet consisting of sinking pellets - Nutrafin Max Goldfish Sinking Pellets  (which I soak until they are spongy feeling and then feed), frozen peas (that I add boiling water to for about 15 minutes, cool and then remove the shell and feed the halves usually every other day), and freeze dried blood worms - Hikari Blood Worms there is so many things you can feed them and having live plants really gives them an extra boost both as food and as a benefit to water quality. I will be getting a few plants soon myself for that reason.
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Re: New fish
« Reply #6 on: November 06, 2010, 01:43:39 PM »

Lovely collection of fish! Cheesy Yes they will grow huge if you take good care of them. Congrats on all your new family members Wink

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Re: New fish
« Reply #7 on: November 06, 2010, 07:41:46 PM »

Sadly we're down to only 5 of the newbies.   Unfortunately Tuna was 1 of the ones to pass Sad    My 4 year old is distraught.   After  losing 3 fish in as many days  I decided to move them to another tank  in case the quarantine was just too much on them.   I'm no good with salt Sad     

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Re: New fish
« Reply #8 on: November 06, 2010, 07:53:14 PM »

I'm so sorry to hear this! Sad
I'm not sure what you mean by "i'm no good with salt".
I would test the water if you haven't done so already and adjust with a water change if necessary.
Did the fish that died show any signs of illness, spots, torn fins , etc., which could indicate a disease or possible parasitic infection?
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Re: New fish
« Reply #9 on: November 06, 2010, 08:24:05 PM »

We'd lost 2 & the water tests were fine. Then  yesterday  the   levels were off so I did a 50% water change & added a half a teaspoon  of salt.  Then we lost 2 more.    Salt  is  a weak point for me  using it with freshwater  I forgot it doesnt evaporate or get filtered so I'm thinking I should've just changed water without adding more salt to the quarantine tank.   I dismantled the whole tank  today  (after I moved the fish to a new one without salt)  & am starting it completely over changing colors, decor etc.. &  not using it as a "hospital"  I'm going to let my daughter use it for guppies or neons instead.      I simply will NOT  buy more new fish  so I wont need to quarantine.

They appeared to be in good health.  No  torn fins  or spots  no signs of illness until  after  the water change 1 was sitting on the bottom.
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Re: New fish
« Reply #10 on: November 06, 2010, 11:04:27 PM »

I really think the problem is so many fish added at once to the tank.  It overloads the eco-system and the bacteria cannot keep up with all the waste. Smiley
Salt doesn't bother goldfish in the least.  I just treated mine for ich and over the course of the treatment they had over 3 TBS per gallon in their tank!  A tsp of salt wouldn't have bothered them in the whole tank.
Salt is realy good to add when getting new fish.  It helps them deal with stress better and gives some electrolyes and also helps with gill function.  I always use salt (1 tBS per 5 gallons  of water) when adding new fish. Wink
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Re: New fish
« Reply #11 on: November 07, 2010, 06:39:10 AM »

I always added a few teaspoons of salt into my quarantine tanks. BUT, I dissolve it in a little cup of tank water (or in a bucket of fresh water when performing maintenance) and everything has worked perfectly for me, all the fish I've bought so far are alive and healthy! Smiley
So I would agree with Minde that so many fish might just have overloaded the system or something. Don't be scared of buying new fish just because it went wrong this one time, that's probably just being a bit unlucky Smiley
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Re: New fish
« Reply #12 on: November 11, 2010, 04:25:45 PM »

Out of the 8 newbies we only have 1 left.  Conclusion is tank overloaded &  fish in poor health  when bought. Will Not buy anymore fish from Wal-Mart in the future   If I decide to get new ones again I will only  purchase them from an individual that raises fish for their own pleasure.
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Re: New fish
« Reply #13 on: November 12, 2010, 03:01:02 AM »

Or, you could look around for a smaller private owned shop! Smiley
I've bought all my fish from this small and great shop where the staff really knows what they're talking about! I haven't even had to quarantine any of them Smiley Most bigger pet stores have less time and knowledge to care about the fish so it's very common that you happen to get some sick ones home |:
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Re: New fish
« Reply #14 on: November 12, 2010, 11:49:45 AM »

Nossie, I wish we had some small pet stores around here. With the recession  all of them have closed down leaving us with only the chain stores in  the other nearby big towns Sad 

When I was a child we had the coolest  pet store in  my town  ran by a couple of elderly folks  they always had the  cutest  guinea pigs, hamsters , mice & tons of fish.   My 13th birthday , my grandmother bout me a q. pig from them  I loved her so much  sweetest  albino in the world lol   she was with me until graduation.  Some of the best memories I have  &  it saddens me  my daughters won't get  to know the joy of  going to a local  shop & getting a  lifelong friend Sad
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Re: New fish
« Reply #15 on: November 12, 2010, 04:09:01 PM »

What a lovely childhood memory Smiley I am sorry to read that your new fish have all but been wiped out - how sad for you and your little girls. I wish you all the best with your remaining one, do take care Smiley
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Re: New fish
« Reply #16 on: November 12, 2010, 04:16:04 PM »

toomanypets: Aww, that sucks Sad I love all kinds of smaller shops because the staff is always so nice to talk to! Smiley

I had a guinea pig once! I loved him so much! Smiley I got him because he was "too old" to be sold to anyone and the people in the shop didn't want to put him down. His friend came with him too, so me and my sister had one each! And even if it was pretty much of work keeping the cage clean, they were just so sweet and cute!

There aren't any chain shops around my city, but only some local companies, one bigger (and a tad worse) and a smaller. Of course, I visit both for different things, but the smaller shop has better quality fish, plants , filters and even some better foods Smiley
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Re: New fish
« Reply #17 on: November 12, 2010, 04:23:20 PM »

Agreed Nossie, the smaller shops are so nice and I enjoy shopping in them to support the little guy in the big world of box stores. We have a local family owned business nearby too and I've been getting almost everything for my birds and now fish for years. Lovely people and a very personal experience since the family has put their heart into the shop. They also won't sell an animal to just anyone. You are interviewed if you would like to buy a bird and they make darn sure you have everything you need to set up a tank safely Cheesy That's so funny I had a guinea pig too as a child Wink
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Re: New fish
« Reply #18 on: November 12, 2010, 06:19:16 PM »

I think everyone should have a guinea pig or two or 60! LOL! Roll Eyes
Here are my two buddies, George and Spaz.  They are both retired from the show circuit and now live a grand old life in my office! Smiley
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Re: New fish
« Reply #19 on: November 12, 2010, 07:48:46 PM »

Oh look at the wee piggies!!! They have such character the little darlings ♥
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Re: New fish
« Reply #20 on: November 12, 2010, 11:09:30 PM »

awww, cute! which one is which?
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« Reply #21 on: November 12, 2010, 11:20:17 PM »

Well George is on the left..he is an American Satin and Spaz is on the right...he is a Texel. Smiley
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Re: New fish
« Reply #22 on: November 13, 2010, 12:17:25 AM »

the little g. pigs are too cute. I could hold them for hours.

We lost the entire 8 newbies Sad   Lost the last 1 today.     As far as Goldfish go I'll stick with my 5 grown  & not  get anymore babies.    May venture out & get a different species when I have the new fish itch
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Re: New fish
« Reply #23 on: November 13, 2010, 12:46:04 AM »

aww...I'm so sorry you lost them all! Sad
That is so heartbreaking...I know!
Well hopefully you get heathier hardier fish next time! Undecided
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Re: New fish
« Reply #24 on: November 13, 2010, 04:25:14 AM »

toomanypets: Did you add any salt to your tank while you were keeping the new fish there?
I'm sorry to hear you lost them all Sad

Minde: George is SO beautiful! Oh my! Smiley

I put some pics on our piggies! Cheesy Curry, the brown one was mine and Larry, the white one, was my sister's Smiley
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Re: New fish
« Reply #25 on: November 13, 2010, 09:16:15 AM »

Awwww...such cute piggies!  wheeek!
Actually Curry is a Golden Agouti American!  How lovely! Smiley
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« Reply #26 on: November 13, 2010, 01:16:17 PM »

Really? Smiley Wow! I only know the difference between those long hair and short hair guinea pigs so... Wink Thanks for the info! Smiley

I am itching to get another guinea pig... I just have to once we find a bigger place :')
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Re: New fish
« Reply #27 on: November 13, 2010, 07:48:42 PM »

Went to the pet shop today wow what a long trip  but worth it. I pet a sweet little guinea pig the girls begged me to get  but wasnt about to happen  uh uh  no more critters lol  In a  failed effort to please them we got 6 more fishies LOL.  Of course they're technically mine I guess .  LOVED  the shop owner very helpful  & knowledged in Goldfish. Helpful feller  advised me with a better method  of how to  not do the salt tank so they can be immediate friends. He'll definitely being seeing a lot of me.  They didnt have an extender 4 my filter but  will order me 1 as well as a small heater 4 the  guppies  & another tank set up  hehehe  Yeah I know addict here.    Found some new species I liked  my try them out next time  but this trip  we came home with diff food & treats  got some of them sinking pellets  mentioned on here  & a new  bubble wand  I LOVE bubbles..     The new batch  consist of 3 comets  1 white with red dot on head ( Dottie),  2 gold with white patches  1 has solid white tail  they're named  Abbbey & Cadabby,  ;
3 feeder fish 1 solid white-(Gabby)   2 "blue" &  orange (Suede & Cocoa).   Will post pics later when they settle in Smiley

Didnt do a quarantine tank this time  3 biggies went in with Kissy & gang & the 3 feeder went into the  "hospital" tank we'll try to get them BIG then  put everyone into a monster HUGE tank or pond together.   Here's hoping things go better with healthy fish   &  no salt tank .
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Re: New fish
« Reply #28 on: November 14, 2010, 04:54:15 AM »

WOW, all the best for your fishies and yes, it is addictive, lol, Welcome to the fish hoarders, lol Cheesy

Keep updating,  Grin
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Re: New fish
« Reply #29 on: November 14, 2010, 05:04:49 AM »

toomanypets: I'm so happy you finally found a good shop to go to! Smiley Great! Cheesy
By the way, could you tell me about the technique the shop keeper told you about? Wink The one skipping quarantine.
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