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Ken Belly
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New tank for Guetta
« on: August 14, 2010, 04:08:30 PM »

Right,

I've recently inherited my ex-Housemates goldfish who i've renamed 'Guetta'.

I'm buying him a new home next payday, could someone advise or point me in the direction to a page which will detail what the very basic pieces of equipment i will need, so far i have listed:

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Re: New tank for Guetta
« Reply #1 on: August 14, 2010, 07:22:05 PM »

Hi Ken,

very first: WELCOME to our community.

For a successful Goldfish keeping you will need the following towards your AQ:

- round gravel, much the size of a pea.

- very good filter, it should turn at least double the amount of water per hour, compared to what your tank holds. Better more: our AQ is 150+ litres and our internal filter turns 1200 l per hour

- airstone ( ours is about 50cm long )

- pump(s)

- thermometer for AQ

- live plants: Elodea (=Anacharis) Java Fern, Ambulia, Amazon Sword Plant, Dwarf Anubias... tall plants at the back, small and short ones at the front.

-nice centrepiece (avoid sharp edges and holes where the fish can get stuck in)

-API MasterTestKit for freshwater AQ  this is VERY IMPORTANT It contains liquid tests for Ammonia, Nitrite, Nitrate and pH ( for start, take a sample of your tap water to the petshop to get the basic water parameters tested so you know where you're at, especially with the pH. Goldfish prefer a pH between 7.2 and 8.2 the best. A fraction below or abowe doesn't hurt them, but a fluctuation like a yoyo does.

-waterconditioner: to remove chlorine and chloramines from tap water

- beneficial bacteria: I use now "Stability" from Seachem, it is those beneficial bacteria which is needed to cycle your AQ before you add your fish

- Pimafix and Melafix: both are "First Aid" natural remedies ( like us humans have painkillers, etc in our home-pharmacy, we all should have those in our fish-pharmacy )

This are the main things you need, and  FOOD Grin, there are different types of food as they need a good variety, also in fresh foods.
For now I also advise to read through the articles on the pet goldfish site here and also browse the threads on this forum.

If you got specific questions, please ask any time, as there is sooo much to know. I could type the whole day.

And for now I like to let you know: It is such a beautiful hobby to have fish, especially goldfish, they really are characters Grin.
They need to be looked after and cared very carefully, including regular water testing and AQ maintenance, all the effort you will put in, you will get joy back millions of times.

ENJOY YOUR NEW HOBBY Grin

PS: you might need a thermostat too, depending where you live and how the temp may fluctuate. Goldfish like the best around 21-22 degrees celsius, but they are hardy and can cope with temps below and above. Max temp shouldn't be over 27 degrees celsius, as the warmer the water, the less oxygen dissolved in there.
But please avoid fluctuations in temp as those will stress the goldfish, same with fluctuations in pH.
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Re: New tank for Guetta
« Reply #2 on: August 15, 2010, 03:32:54 AM »

Man, Hanna totally covered it!

Anyways, she didn't mention what size of the tank you need, so think "the bigger the better". If you're sure that you don't want any other goldfish, just buy a 10-20 gallon Smiley But since goldfish do enjoy company, it could be nice to get yourself something bigger like a 30 or even 50 gallon! It's easier to keep the water parameters stable in a bigger environment, and you can keep up to 5 fish in a 50 gallon ;>
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Ken Belly
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Re: New tank for Guetta
« Reply #3 on: August 15, 2010, 07:15:07 AM »

Hanna, wow!

Thankyou!
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Re: New tank for Guetta
« Reply #4 on: August 15, 2010, 07:29:46 AM »

No worries, Thanks Nossie, Ken, it is a pleasure to help, sorry I forgot to mention the AQ size. Nossie is right, the bigger the better  especially if you like to get a mate for Guetta  Wink
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Ken Belly
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Re: New tank for Guetta
« Reply #5 on: August 15, 2010, 07:54:05 AM »

Yeah i'm going to get him a mate, one further question, where would be the best place to go for all this stuff? Local petshop, giant superstore, fish specialist etc?
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Re: New tank for Guetta
« Reply #6 on: August 15, 2010, 12:11:37 PM »

Since this is rather "hardware" you could buy it anywhere! As long as it's a good, sturdy tank it's fine Smiley

When it comes to fish though, it's better to go to some local pet shop, they usually care better for their fish and know more about fish keeping than the big stores. So it'd be a plus buying everything from there in case you have questions Smiley
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Re: New tank for Guetta
« Reply #7 on: August 18, 2010, 03:49:34 PM »

Peeps, can anyone recommend a good website (apart from here) which will give me a step by step guide, i'm just learning about the 'cycling' stage....looking for a site with a good beginners section?!
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Re: New tank for Guetta
« Reply #8 on: August 19, 2010, 09:59:56 AM »

I don't know any page about that... unfortunately. But you could take a look at these two: (Link is not visible to guests. Please register to view.) and (Link is not visible to guests. Please register to view.) There are lots of good things to know on both sites about goldfish and how to keep them Smiley

I could try and explain the cycling process to you as easy as I can Smiley
So, the first two weeks there should be some ammonia building up, during this time you have to test the water daily and change water every other day or when you notice the levels spiking. (Change about 20%)
As you notice the ammonia levels decreasing and nitrite showing up, keep testing and changing the water.
After another two weeks, give or take, the nitrites should be gradually disappearing and be replaced by nitrates. Once the ammonia and nitrites are down to 0, the tank will be cycled and nitrates will be building up slowly, and you will be taking care of this by doing weekly water changes of 50% or more.

Hope it helped! Smiley
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Re: New tank for Guetta
« Reply #9 on: August 31, 2010, 01:55:36 PM »

Evening peeps,

I finally bought Guetta his new tank, its only a 48L tank as i couldn't really afford much more with all the other bits and pieces as well.  Just washed it out and left it to dry, i perhaps committed a cardinal sin on here by purchasing one of the 'pre-ready' tanks called Fish Box X by Interpet.

I'm going to start 'cycling' it and over the next fortnight get it all ready for him to move in.  Just got to get some water plants etc now!

Let me know what you all think!

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« Reply #10 on: August 31, 2010, 02:56:19 PM »

It sounds great Smiley But remember that you won't be able to keep any more fish in it than this one! If you do, you'll end up having problems, and it'll be harder keeping the water quality stable and good.
I'm glad you got such a nice start! Smiley And don't forget to ask if there's anything that seems strange with your tank or anything! Cheesy
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Re: New tank for Guetta
« Reply #11 on: August 31, 2010, 02:59:14 PM »

Thanks Nossie, yeah i realised when i bought it i could only really house Guetta in it, it'll be an education over the next few months learning how to look after one fish so perhaps after that i can look at upsizing, thanks again. Smiley
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Re: New tank for Guetta
« Reply #12 on: August 31, 2010, 04:18:52 PM »

Nossie - Guetta is a Comet, do they typically grow 6-10 inches?
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Re: New tank for Guetta
« Reply #13 on: August 31, 2010, 05:20:22 PM »

Ken, they even can grow a bit bigger.

But for now, as Nossie said it is a lovely start with our 48 l tank. But it only can house Guetta as another goldfish in there will mean problems in not to far future.
But lovely, you can concentrate for now on Guetta and later you can upgrade and get her company. They love company.
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Re: New tank for Guetta
« Reply #14 on: September 01, 2010, 01:09:27 AM »

It's highly variable on the size of most goldfish actually! But I've heard of some comets (and commons) that have reached 30cm! But that was rather when kept in a pond Smiley
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Re: New tank for Guetta
« Reply #15 on: September 01, 2010, 02:16:19 AM »

Cool, i don't really know much about Guetta's background ie age etc so i guess we'll have to wait and see!
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Re: New tank for Guetta
« Reply #16 on: September 01, 2010, 11:07:56 AM »

About how big is she now? Not that it would help you determine the age in any way, I'm just curious Wink
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Ken Belly
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Re: New tank for Guetta
« Reply #17 on: September 01, 2010, 04:59:06 PM »

I'd say about 6-8cm?

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« Reply #18 on: September 01, 2010, 05:07:36 PM »

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I'd say about 6-8cm?



With or without tail ?  Wink
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Re: New tank for Guetta
« Reply #19 on: September 01, 2010, 05:08:12 PM »

Quick question peeps....

Tank setup, gravel in (washed), water in...i've just put some Interpet Filter Start in the water, do i still need to add Ammonia as suggested in the below article?

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In addition i realised i haven't got a water tester kit included so i'll buy that tomorrow!

Thanks ,

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« Reply #20 on: September 01, 2010, 05:08:36 PM »

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I'd say about 6-8cm?



With tail! Grin
With or without tail ?  Wink
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Re: New tank for Guetta
« Reply #21 on: September 01, 2010, 08:39:26 PM »

I started with putting fish food in ( no fish though ) Wink
Yep get yourself that test kit, it is an important tool
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« Reply #22 on: September 01, 2010, 08:49:34 PM »

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I started with putting fish food in ( no fish though ) Wink
Yep get yourself that test kit, it is an important tool
why if no fish
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« Reply #23 on: September 01, 2010, 08:51:16 PM »

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I started with putting fish food in ( no fish though ) Wink
Yep get yourself that test kit, it is an important tool
why if no fish

because the food starts to decompose and Ammonia will start to build up.
It is to get the tank cycled first before adding fish
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« Reply #24 on: September 01, 2010, 09:27:08 PM »

how long duse it take for food to decompose
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« Reply #25 on: September 01, 2010, 09:32:36 PM »

well, if you use flakes, not too much though, they are disolved afte a few hours.
I admit I don't know the exact time.
But then you need to give the bacteria time too, to start working.
So until a tank is cycled it can take up to 6 weeks, depending on the tank size.

you also need to add those beneficial bacteria on a daily base and add some food too ( couple of pinches )

This is why it is so important to test the water.
To monitor the development of Ammonia, Nitrite and Nitrate.
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Re: New tank for Guetta
« Reply #26 on: September 02, 2010, 02:03:48 AM »

Yeah i've decided to opt for the Fish Food cycling method, as detailed in that link i posted!

I think the problem is that there are so many sources of information i'm getting conflicting pieces of advice!

I think i'll stick to what you good people say!
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Re: New tank for Guetta
« Reply #27 on: September 02, 2010, 02:24:36 AM »

Pure ammonia is something that should be avoided to cycle a tank unless you're a more experienced fish keeper and know just how it works when cycling a tank! Otherwise I've seen that it does work. I still would recommend either fish food or a little piece of shrimp or fish meat that you bury in the sand. So, good that you stick to the fish food method Smiley
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Re: New tank for Guetta
« Reply #28 on: September 05, 2010, 02:25:50 PM »

Quick question, the water still seems a bit 'misty' if thats the right phrase, how long should it take to clear?
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« Reply #29 on: September 05, 2010, 02:32:14 PM »

That depends what kind of "mist" it is Wink

If it's the mist from beneficial bacteria that's been added to the tank in liquid form (bio filter booster), it should clear up after a couple of hours. But if it's the naturally established bacteria, it might take a few days, I think Cheesy
Are you testing the water? Smiley
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