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Onael
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New Tank. Need Some Advice for the Setup
« on: November 26, 2011, 04:34:59 AM »

Hi. As I've mentioned in another thread, I currently have a 20 gallon tall tank with:
2 moors
1 butterfly telescope
3 orandas
3 ryukins
2 fantails
1 pearlscale
5 corys

with 611 GPH filtration (200gph, 330gph & 81gph).

I just found a 30 gallon long tank on craigslist. How should I do the split? My plan is to move the 330gph filter and half the gravel & plants into the new tank. I know I'll still be overstocked in both tanks, but how should I divide the fish?
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Re: New Tank. Need Some Advice for the Setup
« Reply #1 on: November 26, 2011, 04:43:47 AM »

Common Goldfish:
40 gallons (48 US gallons, 180 litres) for the first fish with an extra 12 gallons (14 US gallons, 55 litres) for each extra fish. The tank needs to have a minimum length of 4 feet (120cm) to allow swimming room. Single tail goldfish are more suited to a pond when they are near full size to give them swimming room.

Fancy Goldfish:
30 gallons (36 US gallons, 140 litres) for the first fish with an extra 10 gallons (12 US gallons, 45 litres) for each extra fish. The tank needs to have a minimum length of 3 feet to allow swimming room.
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Onael
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Re: New Tank. Need Some Advice for the Setup
« Reply #2 on: November 26, 2011, 05:11:34 AM »

I understand what the recommended stock levels are. Nothing I can do about that for the time being. Maintaining that I will be overstocked no matter how you cut it, how should split up the fish? Fantails and ryukins in one tank and the orandas and pearlscale in the other?
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Re: New Tank. Need Some Advice for the Setup
« Reply #3 on: November 26, 2011, 05:41:38 AM »

You can put them all in the same tank except the corys just make sure they have enough food. But to split them up: 1st tank corys
2nd tank fantails, orandas and ruykins 3 tank moors, telescope eye and pearlscale.
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Re: New Tank. Need Some Advice for the Setup
« Reply #4 on: November 26, 2011, 08:59:50 AM »

Have you considered giving/lending some to friends until you can get ( big )enough tanks? It might be better than seeing them suffer and/or die.

 
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Re: New Tank. Need Some Advice for the Setup
« Reply #5 on: November 26, 2011, 01:22:23 PM »

It's good to hear from you Onael.
So I take it your landlord is allowing you more tank space?

In terms of splitting them up, I have no idea what corys are so I can't advise with those (sorry).
But with the goldfish (this is based on my opinion of fancy varieties, I'm more familiar with single tailed goldfish) maybe having the moors and telescope eye together with the pearl scale (it depends on how competative for food the pearl scale is, as to wether it will take the food from the poor eyesighted telescope eyes and moors) then orandas with the fantails and ryukins?
This would have 4 in the 20 gallon and 8 in the 30 gallon. What do others here think?
Onael you mentioned before their all around 2 inches right now, yeah? So it's just a case of how long you can keep the fish happily like that as size will become an issue (anyone here with experience on fancy variety growth be able to to mention a time period or something? So that Onael knows how long it will be, before the fish need to be split again?). These tanks will have to be temporary homes, not anything permanent (at least not for all of them!).

Here's something else that may help Onael, Scrivens posted it in another thread and I find it really useful;

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Just to illustrate the size some of your goldfish will get too, now this is for single tailed goldfish, but most fancy varieties will reach to around 8 inches or so. 

Again as Scrivens suggested is there someone who could possibly look after some of them? You could happily have 2 fish in the 20 gallon and then 3 in the 30 gallon, so you'd have 7 to temporarily re-home while you find a bigger tank?
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Onael
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Re: New Tank. Need Some Advice for the Setup
« Reply #6 on: November 26, 2011, 02:26:36 PM »

@ Skwishee. HAHA, No my landlord doesn't know. I'm going "black ops" on this.

I don't have space in my living room for the 30 gallon tank so the 20 is staying put. The 30 is going in my bedroom, on my dresser for now until I build a stand. I just got done rinsing the pea pebbles that will be going into the new setup. I'll be setting up the tank after this post and letting it run for the rest of the day while I decide who's getting moved. I agree with the 4/8 split and I'm liking your idea of the bug-eyes and the pearl together. Pending other suggestions, I'm leaning towards breaking it down that way.
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Re: New Tank. Need Some Advice for the Setup
« Reply #7 on: November 26, 2011, 06:15:20 PM »

Hahaha black ops! Good luck with that  Wink

Any luck with friends being able to take some of these guys on?
As the 4/8 split will have to be temporary, they will need a bigger tank once they've grown some more or to be split again into other tanks  Smiley

Just an example of growth, my little common goldfish was around one to two inches (I forget how big exactly but she was small) when I first got her in August, it is now almost December and she is at least 3 inches!! I cannot believe how much she has grown in a few months XD
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Re: New Tank. Need Some Advice for the Setup
« Reply #8 on: November 26, 2011, 07:39:37 PM »

I got it set up. I'm waiting for the water to clear up before I put my ryus and orandas in. There was still a bit of dirt on the pebbles that was stirred up when I put the water in. I put the 200gph and the 81gph filters in the new tank. I got a pump for aeration and some live plants.
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Re: New Tank. Need Some Advice for the Setup
« Reply #9 on: November 26, 2011, 09:54:58 PM »

Check it out!

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Re: New Tank. Need Some Advice for the Setup
« Reply #10 on: November 27, 2011, 04:13:08 PM »

Great! Smiley That's so lovely to hear! It'll definitely be easier to keep up the water quality now!

If I were you, I'd keep the moors and the butterfly in the 20 gal tank, and the rest of the fish in the 30 gal. You could also keep the corys along with the telescopes, I think that would be a good combo in terms of space and feeding as well Smiley
Maybe like Skwishee suggested, the pearl scale could be with the telescopes, but I don't know, since the 20 gal is a very small tank it might be better with a tad fewer fish in that.
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Re: New Tank. Need Some Advice for the Setup
« Reply #11 on: November 27, 2011, 06:23:54 PM »

I put the ryus, orandas, fantails and three of the corys in the 30 gallon tank. I left the moors, butterfly, pearlscale and the two smaller croys in the 20 gallon tank.

They are all noticeably happier in the gained space. Bare bottom would both offer more water volume and less collected waste. I have tried it in the past, but it's really not for me. I don't mind vacuuming the gravel weekly and it makes it easier to keep my plants down.

Thank you, everyone, for your suggestions. These setups are definitely temporary, but aren't they all? I will buy more tanks as I find good deals. I paid $10 for the 30 gal w/ glass top.
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Re: New Tank. Need Some Advice for the Setup
« Reply #12 on: November 27, 2011, 07:06:16 PM »

Oh that certainly was a good bargain Onael! Grin
It's great to hear the fish are happy to have more space to stretch their fins ^_^

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Re: New Tank. Need Some Advice for the Setup
« Reply #13 on: November 28, 2011, 12:15:33 PM »

Sweet! Smiley I would just love to see some pictures of the fish in their new tanks, if you have any? Smiley

And the gravel is good for so many things! The fish will be happier/more comfortable with it, and there's more space for the beneficial bacteria to grow in since they live in the gravel as well Smiley
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Re: New Tank. Need Some Advice for the Setup
« Reply #14 on: December 02, 2011, 11:50:41 AM »

The moors
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Re: New Tank. Need Some Advice for the Setup
« Reply #15 on: December 02, 2011, 01:37:10 PM »

Much better! It looks very nice, I especially like the decorations in the bigger tank Smiley
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Re: New Tank. Need Some Advice for the Setup
« Reply #16 on: December 14, 2011, 05:08:52 PM »

 :oLooks nice! I'm going to be seting up a 60 gallon in a few months or so. Gold fish dont mind the water movement from a lot of bubbles? Becuase they have a hard time swimming. I would like a long bubble wall or two in my new tank. I want to use power filters..should I just put one big one in the middle of the tank instead of one on each side? I also want to use live plants...what kind of gravel should I use? I dont want it the size that goldfish sometime get stuck in there lips. Can I use very fine sand size? Or bigger rocks?  Undecided
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Re: New Tank. Need Some Advice for the Setup
« Reply #17 on: December 14, 2011, 06:38:35 PM »

Caffus,

Sand is a nuisance in a goldfish set up and is better suited to a marine tank.


I should use standard pea gravel.
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Re: New Tank. Need Some Advice for the Setup
« Reply #18 on: December 15, 2011, 02:28:30 AM »

Hello, Caffuss! Smiley
Sand shouldn't be used with goldfish since they'll be swallowing the sand unintentionally, and it might get stuck in the gills. Sand is also not that good to plant in when keeping goldies since they LOVE digging in the gravel Wink
Go for a nice average-sized gravel instead, something like pea-sized pebbles should be perfect! For optimal planting "grounds" you should make a layer of about 2 inches to 2.5 inch.
You can't keep just any live plants with goldfish, but you should go for those that have thick leaves or bitter taste Wink I've had huge success with java ferns, they taste very bad for the goldfish and they will grow big and thick. I also have a few dwarf anubias that I've tied to drift wood. There are also larger types for anubias that will make a nice backdrop in the tank, like Barter's Anubias Smiley Both these plant species have VERY strong roots and they will take care of themselves more or less. Just tie them to some drift wood and you're all set! When it comes down to Java fern, these don't need to be buried in the gravel for any other reason than to keep them in place while they root. After that, their roots will spread on their own and anchor the plant in place.

You don't need to have a bubble wand unless you like how they look, filters will adequately oxygenate the water on their own! Smiley If you want two power filters, hang then on one side of the tank for optimal circulation. But instead of having two filters, I'd recommend an external canister filter, this is better suited to goldfish thanks to their large volume. Goldfish tanks need a lot of biological filter media because of the huge amounts of waste they produce. And you have a pretty big tank, so it would be better with an external filter. Here's a really good and really cheap filter: (Link is not visible to guests. Please register to view.)
You can buy and customize the filter media yourself, so it's a lot cheaper in the long run than having to buy and change manufactured filter sponges/cartridges Smiley

You can of course use the filter from the current tank (if you have one) and let that run along side the external filter. In case of an emergency, you can pop that into a quarantine tank and the fish will be safe with an already cycled filter Smiley I do that Wink But I thought about upgrading to a bigger canister filter soon.

EDIT: Oops, just noticed we already have discussed filter options for you in another thread (bad with names), but I made too long answer to remove that section, maybe it'll help someone Tongue
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Re: New Tank. Need Some Advice for the Setup
« Reply #19 on: December 15, 2011, 12:31:51 PM »

Thank you..I think I will try a canister filter...hopefully I can keep the kids away from it!  Tongue Two big power filters wouldnt look as nice. I have had a goldfish with pea size gravel stuck in its mouth. How about I put that gravel on the bottom and cover it with 1/2 each to one inch larger rocks..I will vacum my gravel once a week, which of course will stir it up so they can get the pea size gravel, but there will still be less chance of it getting stuck in there mouths, I think. I have never had a canister filter..I hope they come with picture derections..so I can quickly set it up.
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Re: New Tank. Need Some Advice for the Setup
« Reply #20 on: December 15, 2011, 05:04:26 PM »

They do! Smiley They're not too hard to figure out once you get the hang of it, and if you have any questions, feel free to come here and ask! Smiley

The gravel I have for my fish actually has very uneven sizes, some rocks are close to triangular, and not once has a rock gotten stuck in any of their mouths. 99% of the times, the goldfish are able to get the rocks out on their own anyway, it may just take a little while Smiley
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Re: New Tank. Need Some Advice for the Setup
« Reply #21 on: December 16, 2011, 05:07:02 AM »

Yeah I agree with Nossie, my gravel is currently fairly un-even, it's not too much of a problem with Lucky being so small, but Lucky did once get a rectangular piece stuck in her mouth, but she spat it back out by herself. In case you were worried of gravel getting stuck, you could keep a pair of blunt tweezers near the tank, these can be used to manually remove something from a goldfish's mouth if something ever did get stuck  Smiley

So pea sized gravel is recommended, because if the goldfish do put it in their mouths, it's so smooth, once they realise it's not food, they can easily spit it back out by themselves  Cheesy
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Re: New Tank. Need Some Advice for the Setup
« Reply #22 on: December 16, 2011, 02:55:03 PM »

Okie, I did have a gold fish one time that I had to use tweezers to take a small rock from his mouth. But only once.  Roll Eyes
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