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Andrea
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New tank!
« on: August 08, 2010, 04:24:24 AM »

Guess what I brought today everyone?Huh If you guessed a new tank then you guessed correctly  Grin

It's a 90L tank so I will definitely be getting Sunshine a new friend (bet that makes you happy Hanna Tongue). I'm a bit scared of all the work, not of doing it but that I am going to do something wrong. I am going to take it very slow as I'm in no rush and I don't have the time to rush it either.

So I have questions. It is obviously dusty as it was sitting in a shop for a while. Now how should I clean it. Just wash it repeatedly with water until the water is clear. Or is there something I can use to really clean it? It's not that dirty. Should I also wash the filter material? It's a bit different to what I'm use to, it just has the filter wool on top of this stuff called Bio Balls which are brownish black. The lady at the fish shop said they are better than carbon. Tomorrow I'll have some time to add photos to this topic and I'll take a photo of the filter too. The lady said to never wash the bio balls. Sounds a bit strange to never do it but I'm not sure. Also hopefully I will never have to but would I remove the bio balls when treating with medication.

I'm pretty much just asking where should I go from now. Hanna, I think you will be great at answering this as you have done it so recently and I was looking at your post on your tank to get some answers. A step by step of what to do if anyone has the time would be great. I probably won't be cleaning it till next weekend.

I'm sooooooo excited though  Grin
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Re: New tank!
« Reply #1 on: August 08, 2010, 06:25:14 AM »

It'll be enough just showering the tank under water if you see dust Smiley Simply scrub it with a sponge under water until it's clean and nice! Grin
Remember to rinse the gravel well! It's such a pain when you've got it all set up and it's cloudy because of dust in the gravel d:

And I would say... do some more research on those bio balls. They sound really suspicious to me, so check on the pack or something if it says on it what they are made of! If there is any activated carbon there, It might be better to keep that only to remove meds from the tank, or during the first weeks.
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Re: New tank!
« Reply #2 on: August 08, 2010, 06:41:04 AM »

Hi Andrea, CONGRATULATIONS !!! Yeah this is really exciting,  Grin

Ok, you are just right, take it step by step.
Now because everything is a bit dusty, I would rinse everything, including the bioballs. But the bioballs you can rinse in old tankwater out of Sunshines tank, maybe get a plastic jug from Sams or Crazy Clark which you use only for the fishies things. Scoop some water out and let those bioballs soak in it. Does the filter have some sponge too? I cannot say that bioballs are better than carbon, I think this is personal preference. Carbon is very good to remove chemicals though. ( Maybe the lady there meant not to rinse in tap water...? )

As for cleaning the tank I'd use only hot water and a brand new sponge. I was told to clean with aquarium salt, but it is very difficult to get rid of it while rinsing. I had awfull trouble to lower the salt concentration in the fishies water, even if I rinsed a lot. Therefore my advice: clean and rinse with hot water, not too hot though Wink you still should be able to put your hands in, just.

Will you use a background poster as a feature? If yes, this would be the next step to fix it onto the back glass wall.

When this is done you can place your filter into the tank.  BTW is it an internal one? It should be submerged completely. Will you use an UG filter too?
Also place the thermostat.

Time to get the gravel ready and the airstone. Maybe from now on you can save old tankwater anyway to rinse the new gravel in it. (first under tap water to get rid of dust, etc, then soak it in old tankwater) Place it into the tank.

Plants: Ambulia, Vallisneria, Elodea, Java Fern, Dwarf Anubias. High plants at the back, the other short ones at the front, maybe as little bunches, groups. Maybe some floating Ricchia?
What kind of centrepiece are you thinking about? Driftwood or some nice stone ornament. I learned that the ornaments shouldn't have holes the fish can get stuck in... remember the story.. and no sharp edges.

When all this is done, it is time to fill the tank with fresh water where you added conditioner, adjusted pH if necessary and temp, so it is the same like the one Sunshine is in now.
Good thing is to get "Stability" from Seachem: plenty of beneficial bacteria to add to avoid the "new tank syndrome".

Also leave some room to add Sunshines water out of the old tank too.
All should be perfect for Sunshine to enjoy her new home.

... and then you can go and look out for Sunshines partner, her Prince Charming, lol... yes I am so happy Cheesy

... did I forget sth?...  Wink

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Re: New tank!
« Reply #3 on: August 08, 2010, 06:42:16 AM »

Haha while I was typing, Nossie posted, LOL
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Re: New tank!
« Reply #4 on: August 08, 2010, 04:15:21 PM »

If it's an internal power filter, it's better to put that in after the gravel and all the decorations. Not for anything else, but it's easier to place rocks and gravel without having to worry about the filter falling off the wall Smiley
If it's an undergravel filter, it should obviously be put before the gravel though ;>
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Re: New tank!
« Reply #5 on: August 10, 2010, 04:44:11 AM »

 Smiley Hey Andrea, how are things going? Cheesy
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Re: New tank!
« Reply #6 on: August 10, 2010, 06:14:43 AM »

Thankyou for clearing up how to clean the tank, I'll get to it on the weekend hopefully Smiley But Hanna I won't use salt, that doesn't sound to fun.

I'm still not sure about these bio balls, I haven't done any research yet but hopefully will get to it. I may have to ring up the fish shop if I can't find anything as it is about an hour away and not a place I ever normally go. Hanna, do you know about them though? You talk like you do, do you know anything else about them? I'm thinking about changing the filter to my preferences, I think the fish shop just gave me that as it must be their preference. The tank doesn't actually come with the filter material, it just has the filter and they add to it. Unlike let's say AquaOne tanks which I'm pretty sure come with their own branded filter material.
I did get a background feature, my first one haha so I'm excited about it Cheesy It's a bit big so I also have to cut it up a bit first.

By internal filter you mean the ones that actually come with the tank. I'll take photos (haven't had a chance yet!) and it will explain alot so we might have to wait a bit until some questions can be answered. I have the gravel and I know I must wash it but unfortunately that is all I have for now. The tank has greatly affected my bank account and it was definitely worth it, but it might result in a slow build up of other things. I'll hopefully buy some driftwood on the weekend which will be the main centre piece. I'm really just wanting that and plants, plants, plants!!! I want alot of swimming room as both my fish are and will be slim-lined ones.

So my next move is to clean out the tank, wash the gravel, fill it up and then I'm going to just observe how this filter and bio balls work. if I can change it then I will (using stuff from Sunshine's old tank). I will also get some bacteria supplement on the weekend and maybe some plants if I can afford it.

Thanks for everything so far. I'm so glad I have you guys to answer all my questions. Sunshine appreciates it too Cheesy
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Re: New tank!
« Reply #7 on: August 11, 2010, 04:19:06 AM »

Hi Andrea,
I dunno MUCH about Bio-Balls, but that they are channelled plastic spheres and they act like a biological filtration.
The plastic spheres being channeled provide a much bigger surface for bacteria to settle on, compared to only a spherical surface. Biological filtration means that water flows through this filter media and the beneficial bacteria in/on there transforms Ammonia to Nitrite and then to Nitrate. Bio-Balls but also Ceramic Noodles, both are biological filter media. ( the AquaOne -like ours- does have ceramic noodles, sponge, carbon cartridge in the cover. And the part of the filter which "hangs" inside the water is a mechanical one... so all 3 types of filtration provided )

Because of this my personal opinion is to combine Bio-Balls or Ceramic Noodles for example with activated carbon. Activated carbon acts as a chemical filter: it absorbs chemicals from the water: like chlorine, chloramine, heavy metals, etc, but also medication in case fishes need to be treated we should remove the activated carbon.
After the treatment is finished, again the carbon put back in will remove the unwanted left over of the medication.

The internal filter is one where the whole lot is submerged in water. It has got suckers to hold it on the back glass of the tank.

No, don't use salt, it is enough that hubby and me went through this experience, you must not. Just nice hot water will do, like Nossie said if you can get the tank under the shower to shower it , this would be ideal.

What kind of tank is it, I may be able to look the brand up on the net. Is it perhaps an AquaOne? If yes which model?

I love the idea with driftwood and lots of plants Grin... haha, I've got the same in our tank
BTW our goldies did munch the Ambulia down to the stumps in only ONE week... I told Hubby "they dine at Ambulias" haha he laughed his head of: yeah one night at "Ambulia" Restaurant later at "Elodea's" LOL
Now I try to raise Java Fern and Hornworth. In the small tank I do have Riccia growing as a cover.

Do you already have some ideas of names for Sunshines Prince Charming? .... Star, Moonlight... Wink  Grin ?
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Re: New tank!
« Reply #8 on: August 11, 2010, 04:40:48 AM »

Don't forget to soak the tannins out of the drift wood! Unless you want your fish to swim in yellow water Wink I've been working on that these last days now, scrubbing and soaking and changing water when it turns yellow xD Hopefully I'll actually be able to set up my tank soon! Tongue

Either way, I was about to mention... activated carbon!! I know that there are lots of people here who use it, but I am the only one who would advice strongly against doing so. (Partly because it's mentioned in many, many of my books) Because, I have used it for some time, and I can't find anything useful about it. And also because carbon gets clogged pretty fast, becoming somewhat a home for dirt. It also loses its effect fast so you might want to consider using it only now and then to remove medications or something from your tank, there's nothing else to it. A few other people were discussing this on another forum lately, most of them were experienced fish keepers, and most of them didn't like carbon for anything but temporary use.
If I was you, I'd skip the carbon, and replace that with large water changes and more bio filter media Cheesy 100 times more useful!!
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Re: New tank!
« Reply #9 on: August 11, 2010, 05:57:57 AM »

Well to tell you the truth Nossie I took the activated carbon out of the tank Sunshine is an at the moment about a week after having it. I read somewhere that people don't recommend using it for goldfish tanks as they said it was unnecessary and well Sunshine is fine. However, I thought I was doing the wrong thing so I decided to use it for this tank. But if you believe I shouldn't well I may just do that. I'll also have to take a photo of my current filter media.

Now about the driftwood, how long should I soak it for? I don't really fancy having yellow water Tongue

Thanks for the information on the bio balls Hanna. I currently use ceramic noodles and I like them very much, plus they are so easy to find. It is a internal filter also then. I promise photos tomorrow. I have a day off Cheesy

It's not an aquaone and  I can't find anything about the tank on the internet. I just went with it because it was a perfect size and the best price I could find and it came with a stand.

I already have a name and it's a girls name. Hahaha  Grin You'll just have to wait until you find out, though once I get the fish I may change my name idea Tongue
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Re: New tank!
« Reply #10 on: August 11, 2010, 04:45:11 PM »

According to filter media, of course it is personal preference.

I personally cannot say that I like or dislike it. Logically in certain situations I will use it in the big tank as there the filter media is different set up.
I always used the filter like it was assembled to go. The AquaOne filter came all together with ceramic noodles, sponge and carbon cartridge. It is nice and clean and easy to look after. So I do stick with that in this one.

In the big tank the internal filter has got zeolithe and a huge square sponge. Easy to look after too, I use this one in there.

So basically according to all those different opinions and anyway I do not advise against it or for it as I do not see any harm in using it or not... as I said everybody's own preference... same thing with using different types of filters...

 Grin Cannot wait to see pics, pics, pics  Grin  got late shift today from 12:30 9:00 pm and then 3 days off wooohooo and we do celebrate our 7th wedding anniversary, it was yesterday Cheesy Grin
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Re: New tank!
« Reply #11 on: August 12, 2010, 01:34:35 AM »

What's zeolithe? I've never heard of it.

Anyway photos, first is the filter I am currently using, just before I cleaned some of it. So first off it has these black plastic balls with the holes in them which catch the big gunk, then a grate thingy, then the filter wool which use to have the carbon sitting in the middle of it and then another grate and finally ceramic noodles. I've always put in a photo of what this attaches to and my gosh does it look dirty!

Next the new tank Cheesy Excuse the poor quality of the photos and my horrible pink walls haha Tongue I painted it so long ago and could not be bothered to change it now. I've also put in photo of the filter which attaches to the wall of the tank. Next the actual filter and a close up of the bio balls and just one more photo of the filter.

Now what do you think of this filter set up? I'm thinking of changing it to the set up I am using now just without the grates as they are too small for the new filter and I don't know where I could find bigger ones. The set up it has now just seems a bit odd, like how the wool sits on top of the bio balls. But that might be normal for some one else. I don't really know.
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Re: New tank!
« Reply #12 on: August 12, 2010, 05:08:25 AM »

Oh and congratulations Hanna on your 7th anniversary Smiley How sweet.
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« Reply #13 on: August 12, 2010, 07:55:35 AM »

Hi Andrea,

THANKS, we'll enjoy it. Just came home from work had a Subway seafood and a stubbie, piece of classic sponge and strawberries. Fishies all at sleep this time, so I can talk to them only tomorrow ( 10:30 pm now )

Your tank looks beautiful, beautiful, beautiful. Sunshine and her friend will LOVE it.
I wouldn't change anything with your filter set up. those red bio balls fulfill the same function as ceramic noodles.

And the first filter from your hexagonal tank is the same principle the one in our small 6 l hexagonal where you put your filter media in that black plastic box.
They are not internal filters as only the mechanical part is under water. The impeller pushes the water up into that compartement in the top of the cover and the spray bar sprays the water over the filter media and it runs back into the tank like tiny little "jets".

With the internal filter everything is under water, really everything. Posted some pics for your information.

Zeolithe or Zeolite is a  NATURAL (!) cation exchange filter media and it absorbs ammonia and chloramines. They say it gives crystal clear water. Only got it the other day. Aparently much more recommended than carbon. Need to research on the net.

We'll go now to catch some zzzzzzz now too as fishies already snoring, lol Grin

Good Night  or good nite in aussie slang... Wink
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Re: New tank!
« Reply #14 on: August 12, 2010, 08:01:51 AM »

Perhaps it is a good idea to get a jug with Sunshine's water and soak the bio balls in it, so bacteria already can establish Smiley
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« Reply #15 on: August 12, 2010, 11:32:12 AM »

So the bio balls would be fine as a filter medium. I'm using some funny kind of ceramic "pebbles" in one of my tanks, which allows more surface for the bacteria to grow (I think someone said that already xD) And in the case of goldfish, bio filtration (sponges, ceramic media etc.) would be a whole lot more useful than a chemical one (carbon).

But the tank itself looks really nice! Just wait 'til your fish will be there! Smiley
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« Reply #16 on: August 13, 2010, 06:11:45 AM »

Soo Hanna you're one of those crazy people who eat the seafood subways!!! Haha I always question who would eat that but there you go Tongue
I don't know much about filters I must admit. So just leave mine as it you are both saing? Nothing more should be added? I'll soak it on the weekend and I'm was going to swap some of the new filter wool for some that is in Sunshine's tank.
I can't wait till it is all completed and both fish are in there Smiley
Nossie I don't think you said, how long should I soak the driftwood for? Should I just keep washing it unitl it doesn't produce yellow water anymore?
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« Reply #17 on: August 13, 2010, 06:25:43 AM »

hahaha it is yummy: bread with italian herbs, seafood, cheese, tomatos, olives, onions, little bit of green lettuce, capsicum, seafood sauce... hmhmhmhmhmhmhyummmmmm. A cold stubbie... Tongue slurp, slurp

it is fine, go for the filter like it is and add some of Sunshine's filter floss. You'll be right with it.
According to the driftwood it depends on its size and if it's bleached or not.

I didn't have much time to soak mine, only for 3-4 days. It coloured the water yellow for about 6 weeks, this means, only now the water starts to clear up in its colour.... due to the waterchanges I had to do. But with the light on it wasn't too bad, hardly to notice Smiley
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« Reply #18 on: August 13, 2010, 01:26:23 PM »

wow bio balls sweet USE THEM they are sweet. mostly for saltwater. all they do is hold bacteria in them like carbon does but u NEVER CLEAN THEM that way the will allway be bacteria in the system. the only time u will need carbon will be if you put meds in the tank the carbon will get rid of the meds in your tank after u are done with them.
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« Reply #19 on: August 13, 2010, 01:28:45 PM »

if u have bio balls u only really need that and the filter floss ( get fabic stuffing at walmart for this) and thats all u need its what i use for both ny gold fish and saltwater tanks
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« Reply #20 on: August 13, 2010, 03:25:52 PM »

Andrea: Oh, sorry! Forgot that one Wink But yes, you could soak the driftwood just until the water will be clean.
Either way, the filter wool might turn a bit yellow because of the wood being there at all, but that's nothing to worry about since the amount of tannins will be so small that it won't color the water at all Smiley
And with mom's driftwood, it's also letting out some particles into the gravel, but that's cleaned away everytime the gravel's being siphoned Smiley It depends a bit on the kind of wood you have too Cheesy
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« Reply #21 on: August 13, 2010, 03:30:45 PM »

creamkiller: Activated carbon is a chemical filtration method, it does not contain any beneficial bacteria whatsoever. It's simply removing chemicals from the water, and it gets clogged with dirt relatively fast, so it has to be rinsed and preferably exchanged regularly, or they'll just cause a deterioration in water quality. That's the main reason why I am pretty much against the use of carbon in a goldfish tank in the first place, since it's really much more useful for them to have more biological filtration.
(But you have a point with using it only after meds)

And about the bio balls, I do believe they could be rinsed with tank water whenever they get clogged with waste. That won't hurt the bacteria, it'll only keep the filter clean.
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« Reply #22 on: August 14, 2010, 06:14:34 AM »

It just seems so weird to never ever clean them. I could have these fish for the next 20 years or more, does that still mean I still never ever clean them? I think when they get clogged I will wash them in old tank water, just like I do nopw with my other filter media Smiley
I brought some more stuff for the tank today. I can't wait till it is complete. I also had a look at the fishies they had there, I thought my heart was set on a shubunkin but having a look at the comets they had there well they looked lovely too. Except they were soo tiny.
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« Reply #23 on: August 14, 2010, 07:38:03 AM »

Well, I mentioned that rinsing them with tank water is a really good idea, since all kind of filter media will get clogged with dirt at some point! So once a month or maybe less would be good Smiley
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« Reply #24 on: August 14, 2010, 06:34:52 PM »

Yes, Andrea the filter media must be rinsed from time to time, as Nossie said in old tankwater. You sample it in a bucket which you use only for your aquarium maintenance. After rinsing you can use this water for your plants in the garden or potplants, they love it and will thrive.

Our Matilda is a shubunkin coloured comet, her tail just develops so beautiful and long. So is our Sunshine. When we got them they were smaller than Hump, Hep and Skippy but now they seem to catch up in their size Cheesy.
Main thing if you buy your Sunshine's mate that he/she is not too small. Matilda and Sunshine were a bit more than half the size of the others. We didn't have any problems at all. The 3 big ones just seem to protect the 2 smaller ones.

Awww cannot wait to see your AQ set up... how exciting  Grin Roll Eyes
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« Reply #25 on: August 14, 2010, 11:23:13 PM »

Ah yes I was mainly talking to creamkiller there by agreeing with Nossie Smiley I'll see how it goes.

The ones at the shop were tiny, like when I first got Sunshine Smiley I'd say like a quarter of the size of Sunshine. If I got one that small would it be dangerous? Or all good? or I'd just to have try it out and see Tongue
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« Reply #26 on: August 15, 2010, 03:26:19 AM »

I don't think it'd be dangerous, you could always try Smiley Goldfish usually accept company better if they're of similar size. Or if you take the "original" fish out, and introduce him to the tank at the same time, or after the smaller newcomer Smiley
But in general, goldfish aren't territorial nor aggressive, so I think you'd do fine without problems Cheesy
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« Reply #27 on: August 15, 2010, 05:33:59 AM »

Yes, if they experience the new environment more or less at the same time there shouldn't be a problem. I can imagine it is exciting for them to explore the new tank and will be happy if there is one of their kind to explore together Wink
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« Reply #28 on: August 15, 2010, 12:13:00 PM »

Aww, that's so cute, Hanna! Cheesy But yes, my fantails loved swimming around following eachother in a perfect line when they went on their little expeditions Wink
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« Reply #29 on: August 16, 2010, 04:00:17 AM »

Yes, I remember when we first had Skippy in the big tank by himself, then Hump and Hep. They got along so beautiful from the very first second. Then adding Matilda and Sunshine which were half the size, the 3 "big" ones just swam tothem and took them into their middle as if they wanted to show them around the tank, no bossing around or anything like it... just a big happy fish-family Cheesy
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