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creamkiller
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Re: New tank!
« Reply #30 on: August 16, 2010, 01:22:13 PM »

no way never move bio ball. u have to make sure u put filter floss before the bio balls that way no big paricles get to the bioballs. and u will just have to clean the floss

after  YEARS if it gets clogged u rinse the whole system out but NEVER move the bioballs if u dont thimk I am right ask someone that knows about salt water they will tell u

if u move them once a month u will never have good biological filter as soon as u clean them it kills all the goodness
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Re: New tank!
« Reply #31 on: August 16, 2010, 01:38:21 PM »

think about it its basicly the same as live rock or live sand if u clean the u kill all the little animals that your fish like to eat (cope-pods) or any of the bacteria  that is also growing on the rocks. and it takes at least 2 weeks for the bacteria to grow back that u killed.
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Re: New tank!
« Reply #32 on: August 17, 2010, 03:42:33 AM »

Filter media is meant to be rinsed from time to time, and no, you won't kill the bacteria if you just clean it from time to time in dechlorinated water.
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Re: New tank!
« Reply #33 on: August 17, 2010, 06:14:25 AM »

"if u move them once a month u will never have good biological filter as soon as u clean them it kills all the goodness"

But wouldn't that be true for all filter media? I can tell you that I'm definitely not going through a new cycle once a week even though I'm washing my filter media now. I don't do it all at once and I would never wash all the bio balls at once either. Plus it's not like I would wash them in fresh water, I'd get water from the tank.

Oh and on the note of mini goldfish. Sunshine will probably be added to thew new tank first and then in Sunshine's old tank I'm going to qurantine the new fish. Just to let you know Smiley I doubt there will be any aggressive behaviour from Sunshine, I think she will be a little scared as she is a bit of a jumpy fish and it's been awhile. But soon they will be the bestest of friends Tongue
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Re: New tank!
« Reply #34 on: August 17, 2010, 06:33:37 AM »

creamkiller: we are talking here about freshwater fish, NOT saltwater.
We also are talking about rinsing from time to time in old tankwater so the bacteria still will be there, NOT washing the whole filter system.


Andrea, cannot wait to see your new tank set up. How are things developing? Sunshine sure will get excited too to have a new friend, and btw rinsing the bio balls gently in old tankwater from time to time doesn't hurt or damage the beneficial bacteria Wink
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Re: New tank!
« Reply #35 on: August 17, 2010, 06:40:48 AM »

Not much is developing yet. I expected to fill it up last weekend but I had to move all this stuff around in my room for the tank which ended up in me cleaning my room to the extreme! This weekend things should start going Smiley
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Re: New tank!
« Reply #36 on: August 17, 2010, 06:48:53 AM »

haha, so we both will be working on our tanks  Grin
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Re: New tank!
« Reply #37 on: August 17, 2010, 11:08:27 AM »


bacteria for fresh water works the same as saltwater the only reason i said saltwater is because not many use bioballs for freshwater but they are used all the time in salt

if u have bioballs u can clean the floss ( or any other type of media) form the tap to get it more clean. because all the bacteria u need will be in the bio balls so it does not matter if there is any bacteria in the other filter media
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Re: New tank!
« Reply #38 on: August 17, 2010, 04:28:59 PM »

I advise NEVER to clean any filter media in TAP WATER, only to rinse gently in old tank water.
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Re: New tank!
« Reply #39 on: August 18, 2010, 03:41:33 AM »

creamkiller: In a saltwater tank you need all the beneficial bacteria you can get! So you should definitely not rinse any filter media in tap water. Ever. It's only safer if you let the glorious bio balls get some support from the rest of the filter media by rinsing it carefully in tank water during your maintenance (not every time though).
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Re: New tank!
« Reply #40 on: August 18, 2010, 01:52:25 PM »

 Tongue

the bio balls are all u need dont goget if u have a saltwater the live rock holds the bacteria to. so u want to make sure the other media is clean and water flow though it.
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Re: New tank!
« Reply #41 on: August 18, 2010, 02:24:45 PM »

It will be clean if you rinse it in tank water too. It's the same thing, really.

Besides, why do you think live rock is needed in a marine tank? Exactly, so that there can be as much beneficial bacteria in the system as possible. Why would you need to kill off the ones in the filter then?

And finally, we're not even talking about a marine tank here! How about sticking to the subject already?
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Re: New tank!
« Reply #42 on: September 07, 2010, 02:14:00 AM »

Filled it up today everyone Cheesy Took forever as I was doing it all by myself but I'm so happy the process has begun. I've added the stresszyme, some dirty filter media from the tank Sunshine is in at the moment, some of the water from that same tank and a fake plant from that tank. So hopefully all that will really kick start the cycle Smiley When should I start testing the water? Also I've never done a fishless cycle so do I still have to do water changes just to even out the ammonia levels? Or is that just a way to keep the ammonia levels low and not killing your fish? I imagine the later but you never know.

I'll post photos soon. It's very bare at the moment, I have to buy some plants tomorrow.
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« Reply #43 on: September 07, 2010, 02:59:28 AM »

Do you have any bio-filter booster? Smiley The kind I used let me put my fish in after... *forgot* was it already the day after or two days? No matter! xD But with that, I think you could be able to speed the cycle up pretty fast! It took me two weeks to cycle mine Smiley And I had used some water, plants and gravel from the previous tank. I can't stop spreading propaganda about this thing! It's simply called "fluid filter medium" and it's made by Easy Life. It should protect your fish from the ammonia and all too Smiley I bet you could introduce them fish already after a day or two (better if it's just one, like you have). While I was cycling my tank, I actually put everyone but Horus there and I changed the water just once during the whole time! Because the ammonia didn't even reach 0.25ppm d:

So, about the water changes, I do think that's simply to keep your fish alive, like you said. Because the ammonia shouldn't get harmful to plants on the same levels as it is to fish. So I think it would be fine if you'd change a 25% from time to time if you really don't want to add your fish until the tank is cycled Smiley
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Re: New tank!
« Reply #44 on: September 07, 2010, 05:47:17 AM »

That's what the stress zyme is for, it's that and a water conditioner I think. But I used my usual water conditioner anyway. Your one sounds  fantastic, but I've already brought this one and it's from a very good brand. I have never used it before so I guess I'll just have to wait and see well wait and test Tongue
I'll keep an eye on the ammonia and do water changes accordingly. I'm excited to get the plants tomorrow Cheesy
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Re: New tank!
« Reply #45 on: September 07, 2010, 05:55:15 AM »

I had Stresszyme too, but I swapped to "Stability" from Seachem... I think it is much better, especially for a new tank.
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Re: New tank!
« Reply #46 on: September 07, 2010, 06:43:34 AM »

I've actually used Stress zyme as well! Cheesy But not in an uncycled tank, so yeah, just do your thing, and see how it goes! Smiley
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Re: New tank!
« Reply #47 on: September 07, 2010, 07:06:58 AM »

Andrea, I am positive all will be fine, you know how it works.
And please post pics, asap, hehehe... LUCKY SUNSHINE  Grin
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Re: New tank!
« Reply #48 on: September 09, 2010, 05:29:56 AM »

I haven't tested yet so not sure how the water is going as of yet.

But I brought plants yesterday and omg was that an experience! First I asked the pet shop if the plants had any snails on them or any chance and they were like no of course not. I get them home and clean the plants and find mini snails. Sigh, I'm starting to lose confidence in this place it is going down hill Sad Anyway I had soo much difficult getting the **** plants in the gravel, most of them are under the driftwood haha. But every time I'd try to put a new plant under the driftwood the others would come lose and float again. Lol very frustrating guys!!

Photos soon I promise.
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Re: New tank!
« Reply #49 on: September 09, 2010, 01:07:02 PM »

Andrea, a tip: buy some big heavy led sinkers from BCF or Kmart and attach them with a rubber band or fishing rod to those plants or hook them in with that led wire.
You should be fine and Sunshine and her future friend will not be able to uproot them later.

I did this only 2 days ago, got this tip from our fish guy. IT WORKS  Grin
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Re: New tank!
« Reply #50 on: September 09, 2010, 01:47:50 PM »

I guess my gravel is rather heavy or something then, because I had no difficulties at all planting mine. Do you have bigger or smaller gravel in the tank? It's sometimes harder to plant them in coarser gravel Smiley
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Re: New tank!
« Reply #51 on: September 09, 2010, 02:01:23 PM »

Our gravel is sort of pea size.

Only remembering how our babies nibble on my hand all the time (during tank maintenance) I believe they can pull a truck out which sunk into the gravel. Grin, they do have such strong little lips, I couldn't believe it  Shocked Their nibbles were really DEMANDING the last time  Roll Eyes  Grin
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Re: New tank!
« Reply #52 on: September 10, 2010, 02:04:41 AM »

The gravel is about pea size but it also a very thin layer, just enough to sorta cover the bottom of the tank, so that is probably my problem. Thanks for the advice Hanna, I didn't even think about naughty fish uprooting the plants so I think I may go buy some, at least for next time.
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« Reply #53 on: September 10, 2010, 06:03:10 AM »

Andrea for plants you need a few cm of gravel layer and the best thing would be to create a slope. High at the back where you put the tall plants and the short ones at the front.  Smiley
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« Reply #54 on: September 13, 2010, 05:06:53 AM »

I may have to buy some more gravel then  Undecided But won't the plants attach themselves to the driftwood? I definitely have to buy some of those weight things. They had all been sitting there nicely for days and found one floating when I came home!

Oh and another question, how long would you recommend to leave the lights on??
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« Reply #55 on: September 13, 2010, 05:07:44 PM »

Our lights are on for about 10-12 hours Smiley
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« Reply #56 on: September 14, 2010, 06:05:49 AM »

Ooo that's good because that is how long I have been leaving them on for as that is how long I'm not at home for during the day. I thought it was too much but it's perfect Smiley One of my plants closes up at night, it's quite interesting.
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Re: New tank!
« Reply #57 on: September 14, 2010, 11:32:34 AM »

At home, the Java Fern has grown quite hard into the driftwood in the 100L, so I guess it's possible, but it'll take a while Smiley Especially with goldfish around Wink

Btw, I want to see some pics of your setup so far! Smiley If you can upload some Wink
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« Reply #58 on: September 14, 2010, 04:52:42 PM »

Yeah, me too.
The Java Fern should be fine with goldies. Ours don't touch it, as it has leathery leaves and is meant to taste bitter. Tongue
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Re: New tank!
« Reply #59 on: September 16, 2010, 04:34:37 AM »

Plants keep floating Sad I don't think they are under the driftwood enough and there isn't enough gravel. I have to guy those led sinkers this weekend. What does BCF stand for Hanna? I can't work it out Tongue Oh and how big are yours? I may have to buy some more gravel but I'm not sure if that is a good idea because the water is already in there and I'll have to take all the plants/driftwood out. I dunno, we'll see.

Photos soon. I don't have any and as I said some of the **** plants are floating and the little metal bit that keeps them together has fallen off some of them, so they are all over the place.

But an update on the cycle. I tested it today and ammonia is either 0 or 0.25ppm (find it hard to tell the difference between those two colours), nitrite is 0 and nitrate is 5.0ppm. Oh and ph is 7.6. So I'm sort of there, I never saw any trace of nitrite  Undecided I'm still going to wait another week or two. I have to sort this plant issue out first anyway.
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