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lmd
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new to goldfish
« on: April 09, 2010, 09:59:46 AM »

hi there-i have 2 ryukin goldfish that have been having ragged tailfins - i was unclear about what might be wrong-so i treated water with melafix and pimafix for a week-the next thing i knew they were both covered with a whitish coating so i put jungle products parasite tabs in. because i also noticed that they had bumpies on their gill flaps and front fins-now having browsed this site-i'm thinking it's because they are males that they have those bumpies? Also-one of the fish has been kind of up in the others butt. sorry-don't know how to explain that behaviour better.  i know dogs, cats and horses-fish, not so much.  HELP!
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Re: new to goldfish
« Reply #1 on: April 09, 2010, 12:42:47 PM »

The whitish coating might rather have something to do with water quality problems. Which might also be reason they had torn fins in the first place! See, water quality problems add extra stress to fish and make them more prone to disease, so you should keep an eye on the parameters the first weeks while your tank is cycling.
So first of all, get yourself a water test kit containing a test for pH, nitrite, nitrate and ammonia. I don't know for how long you've had your tank... but it's important that you test for ammonia few times a week during the first two-three weeks, because this is extremely dangerous to fish! If the levels are too high you should do small water changes to keep the ammonia under control. Just run the whole bunch of tests and see if they're alright! (Or you could also tell me how long you've had the tank, how big it is, and how big your fish are!)

If they have recently been sick I think the chance of them getting into "breeding mood" is rather small... you sure the dots are nowhere else on the fish? Look closely! But if they after all are breeding tubercles, try touching them, they should be rough to the touch, much like sand paper!
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Re: new to goldfish
« Reply #2 on: April 09, 2010, 12:57:26 PM »

thank you. my tank is 20 gal. i have 2 cory cats and two algea eaters that regretfully I don't recall the type plecto-something is one-kind of prehistoric looking-and the other is thin & longish looking.  at any rate the tank's been operational for several years-i have eclipse filtering system.  i had platies etc and am able to keep them for many months but they always wind up failing/dying on me.  i hate killing things. Cry at any rate-i have very hard water-like +8 ph. i've tried in the past to bring it down & i kept on losing fish because the ph just kept bouncing up & down-i had a friend that takes care of commecial tanks that told me to just knock it off because keeping on adding the chemies was just making a mess of things and adding stresss to the fish.  o my goldfish are perhaps 1.5inches excluding fins.  my plan is to get 37 gal tank as i'm further understanding from reading here my 20gal is inadequate. i just purchased an eheim ecco filter that i'm going to put in use as soon as i get this current madness under control.  i had a cory cat in that tank for maybe 5 years and recently lost him.
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« Reply #3 on: April 09, 2010, 02:04:30 PM »

I just realized one thing! The medicines you added would probably disturb/kill off the filter bacteria in your tank, so it might be good to test for ammonia after all as your tank could be trying to establish a new bunch of them. So in future, you should try to separate the sick fish for treatment to make sure that you won't disturb the balance in your main tank.
And it might be good to get at a nitrite and a nitrate test for your tank too unless you already have it! I was sitting around wondering what's wrong with my fish for weeks until I bought a nitrate test and figured that I needed a bigger tank with a better filter.

The goldfish do enjoy pretty high pH, and most catfish (And Platies) don't mind it either, so it's alright if it's around 8. But I'd be a bit worried if it's getting closer to 10. I once read about a certain filter medium that you could use that would lower the pH in the tank, I can't remember what it was called, so you could try asking in your pet store! But if they can't help, just leave it (:

Finally, about the fish themselves, how are they acting? Do they seem lively? Are they eating well?
And did the white coating, ragged fins disappear already? The white coating by the way, is usually caused by some errors in water quality that's irritating the fishes' skin. It could also be caused by parasites, which I guess you knew since you already treated for that (:
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Re: new to goldfish
« Reply #4 on: April 09, 2010, 02:33:19 PM »

mmm-off to petsmart tonite-will get water test kit etc. forgot to mention that i change out approx. 20% water & clean gravels weekly.  i'm almost thinking i've been feeding the fish too much food-gravel's wicked dirty. they just seem sooo hungry-whenever they see me...there they are with their hungry little faces.  they are active-eating-swimming-begging---white coating vanished the next day.  they were NOT happy with the parasite tabs-they kind of hung about the bottom looking quite sad-i turned off the light and the next morning they were their normal selves. sometimes they are at the surface appearing to gasp-but not often. i do not have an air stone.
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Re: new to goldfish
« Reply #5 on: April 09, 2010, 02:46:44 PM »

Melafix and Pimafix will not disturb the beneficial bacteria in your tank!  However, I do believe you might be experiencing fin rot which is a bacterial infection and may need to be treated with an oral medicated fish food.
The white bumps if only on gills and pectoral fins sounds like that is an indication of their gender. I would add aquarium salt 1 tbs per 5 gallons of water and keep dosing withmelafix and alos feed ONLY a medicated fish food which your pet store should have.
Good Luck!
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Re: new to goldfish
« Reply #6 on: April 09, 2010, 03:17:09 PM »

thanks-i'm so glad i found this forum...i don't usually do these and i'm supposed to be working but i'm also obsessing about my silly fish....who knew....who knew that they would be more difficult than sick kitties from a dairy barn and racetrack rejects.  o well...........
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Re: new to goldfish
« Reply #7 on: April 10, 2010, 04:44:27 AM »

Hi Imd,
I agree with Nossie and Mindemae advice, there is nothing new I can add, but to encourage you to get an airstone, as goldfish love it. And as goldfish produce lots of waste more oxygen will help to keep the water quality right. It helps too if you have real plants as well, instead of artificial ones. Goldfish love nibbling on them -as a "salad"- this is abit a change in diet too.

Enjoy your fishies.
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Nicole
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« Reply #8 on: April 10, 2010, 10:58:23 PM »

Airstones are great.  Not only to they keep the fish healthy, especially in summer, but eventually you will see your fish basking in the bubbles and riding them up!  It's sort of like a fish jacuzzi!
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Re: new to goldfish
« Reply #9 on: April 12, 2010, 09:50:38 AM »

thank you all so much.  i've put my new eheim filter in place along with the eclipse that i got with the tank-checked my water-amonia, nitrites and nitrates were not terrific-changed 20% water-put eheim on line-added bacteria supplement on Saturday...checked the water on Sunday and amonia and nitrites were all in safe range-nitrates are about 1 step above safe levels.  i bought an airstone also Friday nite-i'm going to have to wait to put that in place when i get my larger tank.  The eclipse filtration system only gives me a pretty small hole to work with and the eheim is pretty much filling that up at this point.  given the choice, i think better filtration was more important than addition of the airstone.  the surface of my water is moving pretty decently.  i want to give the eheim an opportunity to build good bacteria levels before i switch everyone out of the current tank.
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